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Drrrrrrummm rollllllll for disappointment................*

Penny pinching Tim Crook will have made even more BTO price gouging, terrible decisions about RAM and HD sizes.
Pay more for less.

It would be nice if I was pleasantly surprised, but I am realistic.
Apple are pure disappointment these days.

As far as I can tell you've been beating the same drum since 2012

£1000 for 1280x800, a dual-core i5 and a 500Gig 5400 HD.

oh dear..

No prizes for guessing that Apple wants us to use BTO.

When did "these days" start for you would you say and when were the halcyon days when Apple shipped cheap Macs?
 
Using an iMac on a plane is kind of awkward.

Don't fly economy. Problem solved :p
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Using an iMac on a plane is kind of awkward.

In all seriousness though what I do is have a few of these little fellas. Super fast, easy to carry and come with a short cable.

https://www.amazon.com/DISCONTINUED...TF8&qid=1477246699&sr=8-2&keywords=samsung+t1

(They are discontinued but they are just as good as the T3's that supercede them)

Also I have one of these in the MBP at all times. It's an SD card that sits almost flush with the case and you can throw things like Photos/Media on there that don't require high throughput

https://www.amazon.com/Transcend-Je...1477246803&sr=1-2&keywords=Jetdrive+lite&th=1

They're workarounds but pretty good workarounds.

It'd be good if they offer higher capacity SSD storage but you know it will be super expensive.
 
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That's true. I was never sure whether they got a sweetheart deal for a few years for switching to Intel, whether there was some Job RDF'ing in play with Intel management or whether it was Intel's way of "motivating" what were at the time some very dull and poor quality PC's from OEM (certainly the PC OEM's have been innovating a lot more in recent years).

However I'm not sure it's a good idea to take anything early from Intel these days. Haswell and Skylake were beset with issues at launch. Jumping on Skylake early left the Microsoft Surfacebook struggling with problems not of Microsoft's creation and, I think, did a lot to blacken the name of that device early in it's life.

TL;DR there will likely be Kaby Lake rMBPs late next year of early 2018. (this is a guess but it will certainly be no sooner than mid 2017). When the Skylake ones are released you won't be missing much not having Kaby Lake. They are barely faster.

Agreed. I think we see Kaby Lake iMacs, MBPs at WWDC 2017
 
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That's true. I was never sure whether they got a sweetheart deal for a few years for switching to Intel, whether there was some Job RDF'ing in play with Intel management or whether it was Intel's way of "motivating" what were at the time some very dull and poor quality PC's from OEM (certainly the PC OEM's have been innovating a lot more in recent years).

However I'm not sure it's a good idea to take anything early from Intel these days. Haswell and Skylake were beset with issues at launch. Jumping on Skylake early left the Microsoft Surfacebook struggling with problems not of Microsoft's creation and, I think, did a lot to blacken the name of that device early in it's life.

TL;DR there will likely be Kaby Lake rMBPs late next year of early 2018. (this is a guess but it will certainly be no sooner than mid 2017). When the Skylake ones are released you won't be missing much not having Kaby Lake. They are barely faster.

yep you are right. but kaby lake has native usbc and tb3 (one less chip - less problems [in theory]), has improved video playback efficiency and has better improved turbo boost. the last one has potential to make the cpu feel much more responsive.
 
Why the hell is the SSD and RAM soldered in a desktop computer?!

Following the launch event the Guy at Goldman Sachs can click the button activating the Algorithm of Approval or he can unleash the Algorithm of Destruction.

Soldering the SSD and RAM convinced the Goldman Sachs Guy to click the Approval Algorithm.
 
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yep you are right. but kaby lake has native usbc and tb3 (one less chip - less problems [in theory]), has improved video playback efficiency and has better improved turbo boost. the last one has potential to make the cpu feel much more responsive.

And when they are finally released in appropriate SKU I don't think it will be more than a few months later that the rMBPs at least get the upgrade. The appropriate Skylakes shipped in June this year and here we are, on the cusp of the upgrade.


Following the launch event the Guy at Goldman Sachs can click the button activating the Algorithm of Approval or he can unleash the Algorithm of Destruction.

Soldering the SSD and RAM convinced the Goldman Sachs Guy to click the Approval Algorithm.

o_O
 
The amount of comments that Mac Threads are getting these days is staggering :D

Come on Apple, we've been waiting for a long time now!
 
I'll cut to the chase and suggest that no rumor of an impending new Mac Pro is bad news. For Apple, and all its customers.

As many, I'm not even presently considering buying one, nor may ever be. It could only ever enjoy a relatively small, if dedicated, customer base. But that is beside the point.

With automobiles and other industries the flagship product is usually one that few can or will purchase. However it sets the standards and purpose of the company, its direction and aspirations. As well with technology derived for which ultimately benefits the entire brand.

It will be a sad day—it perhaps already now—when Apple's highest aspirations and flagship are represented by a consumer phone instead of what professionals aspire to.

It seems that come October 27 there will be no new Mac Pro offered. If however there is no mention that day of when a new version can be expected (as should be and long overdue) then dark news indeed by omission.


I may be crazy from a severe lack of sleep, or just a bit mental in general :confused:
But I have an odd feeling that the Mac Pro as we know it is dead, buried in the desert and a coyote has run off with its dangly man bits for breakfast. Ahem, anyway, I can't shake the feeling that the current Mac Pro will be replaced by, wait for it.........

......The new iMac Pro! A seriously beefed out variant of the iMac with dual Xeon processors and massively powerful dedicated graphics. Best of all, not only will there be user access to upgrade the memory, to a total of 128GB this time round. But there will also be a user accessible dual hard drive bay allowing us to easily upgrade our storage at any time.

The iMac Pro will be redesigned to accommodate these changes. The screen will be chinless and edge-to-edge the main guts will be on the back of the screen as a redesigned mini motherboard housing the CPU's and graphics chipsets and so on. Whereas the hard drives and memory will be contained in the base of the device attached to a small daughter board. Which in turn is connected to the motherboard with a cable which runs internally through the base assembly.

The amount of USB 3 ports will be doubled and there will be an additional 6 USB-C ports. For the first time there is going to be a Lightning port on the iMac Pro, allowing the use of headphones sporting the new all digital interface and.......damn, then I woke up :D
 
I wouldn't be surprised if it is a variant with slightly more key travel. The iPad Pro keyboard has a similar design but feels like it has more key travel than it really does.

I'd be less surprised if it were exactly the same travel as the MacBook keyboard. Apple are obsessed with making things thin rather than functional.
 
It is extremely difficult to see what you are getting at here? What do you mean exactly?

Are you being sarcastic? It was just spelled out in my last post...
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I bought it last June. 3-4 months, actually. What I meant was that from the indications of the new MacBooks, they won't be such a huge update that waiting for the new ones would have been a waste of time. Don't need or like the new keyboards. Don't need or like losing MagSafe or all the ports.

I guess they should keep the old models around for people who don't like change (which seems to be half of this forum, whilst the other half moan things aren't changed often enough)
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The TV is just a screen you watch your content. A computer is a device where the inside is more important then the looks. Apple devices used to be both, great looks and best possible internals. Remember the first iMac, the first iBook or the first iPod? They looked great but they were also great from inside. Nowadays Apple sacrifices the spect just to look good. Why the hell is the SSD and RAM soldered in a desktop computer?!

The flash memory and the ram are not soldered in on the 27" iMac...

The flash memory uses the PCI-E card slot, giving you the fastest read and write of any computer on the market (nearly 2000MB/s R&W) - the iMac isn't a user serviceable computer, but you can pull the screen off and swap the PCI-E card out if you so wish.
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This is the reason many are upset with Apple. Looking good is nice in a computer, but you know what is MORE important about a computer? Being the best computer it can be. With glued in components, and LOOOOOOOOOOONG times between "updates"(quotes because of the non-pro inspired Mac Pro and customer hostile Mac Mini), Apple seems to only care about customers like you.

If you feel,like taking a selfie with your Mac, then Apple wants you. If you care about taking a computer to the next level, then Apple couldn't care less about you.

I'm happy for you, you seem to have found a home. I feel sorry for the rest of us, that Apple has left behind.

Ok, you keep thinking that whilst I keep making £££ with my rMBP and iMac. The iMac is the most powerful computer i've ever owned and really anything more powerful for music making would be practically daft - I can already run almost unlimited channels, load up almost unlimited instruments and bounce at incredible speeds, but you know - I guess its slow and useless
 
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I may be crazy from a severe lack of sleep, or just a bit mental in general :confused:
But I have an odd feeling that the Mac Pro as we know it is dead, buried in the desert and a coyote has run off with its dangly man bits for breakfast. Ahem, anyway, I can't shake the feeling that the current Mac Pro will be replaced by, wait for it.........

......The new iMac Pro! A seriously beefed out variant of the iMac with dual Xeon processors and massively powerful dedicated graphics. Best of all, not only will there be user access to upgrade the memory, to a total of 128GB this time round. But there will also be a user accessible dual hard drive bay allowing us to easily upgrade our storage at any time.

The iMac Pro will be redesigned to accommodate these changes. The screen will be chinless and edge-to-edge the main guts will be on the back of the screen as a redesigned mini motherboard housing the CPU's and graphics chipsets and so on. Whereas the hard drives and memory will be contained in the base of the device attached to a small daughter board. Which in turn is connected to the motherboard with a cable which runs internally through the base assembly.

The amount of USB 3 ports will be doubled and there will be an additional 6 USB-C ports. For the first time there is going to be a Lightning port on the iMac Pro, allowing the use of headphones sporting the new all digital interface and.......damn, then I woke up :D

Good call and links to a previous post where someone mentioned using the "Hello" tag line which makes your post very strong indeed.
 
I just purchased the high end 2015 MBP a few weeks ago and can still return it (which I will if the new MBP's come out this week). My question is will I be able to use my 27" iMac 5K as an external monitor with the new MBP's? I'd heard I'd be able to do it with the one I purchased a few weeks ago, but so far no success.
 
I just purchased the high end 2015 MBP a few weeks ago and can still return it (which I will if the new MBP's come out this week). My question is will I be able to use my 27" iMac 5K as an external monitor with the new MBP's? I'd heard I'd be able to do it with the one I purchased a few weeks ago, but so far no success.

Target Display Mode isn't available on those iMacs

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204592

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Note: iMac (Retina 5K, 27-inch, Late 2014) and later iMac models can't be used as Target Display Mode displays.
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Something to do with bandwidth I think.
 
Target Display Mode isn't available on those iMacs

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204592

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Note: iMac (Retina 5K, 27-inch, Late 2014) and later iMac models can't be used as Target Display Mode displays.

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So even the new MBP's won't be able to use the iMac as an external display?

And if not, will the 21.5 iMac's be able to do this or is it just with the 5K models?
 
Something to do with bandwidth I think.
So even the new MBP's won't be able to use the iMac as an external display?[/QUOTE]

I'll be honest and say I'm not 100% sure but I believe the issue is ont he iMac side, not the "driving" machine. They had to do timing magic to get those things to work. I think there was an article on MR about it.
 
As far as I can tell you've been beating the same drum since 2012

When did "these days" start for you would you say and when were the halcyon days when Apple shipped cheap Macs?
I'm hoping peeps are wrong and Apple uses the ARM chips for the new MacBook Pros.
 
So even the new MBP's won't be able to use the iMac as an external display?

I'll be honest and say I'm not 100% sure but I believe the issue is ont he iMac side, not the "driving" machine. They had to do timing magic to get those things to work. I think there was an article on MR about it.[/QUOTE]
I'd be willing to part with my 27" iMac if the 21.5" will be able to be used as an external display. Is this possible or is the issue with any 4/5K iMac?
 
In my little world of video and audio editing, everyone uses MacBooks and iMacs. I know only one nMP but a few remaining cMP. So no, people aren't jumping ship in droves, they don't want to mess their hands with windows. A lot of them still use FCP7, amazingly enough.

I work in the Visual Effects (CGI) industry for film & TV and Macs (MBs & MBPs) are essentially relegated to machines for producers, assistants and coordinators to do scheduling. Macs are sadly no longer bought for and used by the artists themselves (where I work/have worked, ie. there are always exceptions). Instead we are working on Linux and Windows workstations (HP, Boxx, etc.)

Interestingly enough, many VFX Artists do themselves buy Mac Book Pros and iMacs or cling on to cMPs at home for personal use and freelance work. Very few however seem to have bought the nMP. In fact, in my circle of friends and colleagues I can't think of anyone that bought into the new MP. Why? Well, to be honest, it's just not that great of a workstation for our type of work. Its lack of CPU cores and upgradable GPUs, and the fact that you can't add internal storage at all is a big turn off to many. Add to that the excessive price-tag, the lack of dual GPU support in the 3D software tools we use and the lack of commitment from Apple and it's no wonder there are so few nMPs out there in the wild.

So, yeah, the droves aren't quite jumping ship just yet. Many still make do with MBP's (often running Windows, perversely) or are hanging on by the skin of their teeth to their (in many ways superior) cMPs. Myself included. I'm still rocking a 2010 cMP that's upgraded almost as far as it will allow. It is still an awesome workstation that I love to bits, but I just can't see myself "upgrading" to an nMP. It breaks my heart to see what Apple has become. :(
 
I'll be honest and say I'm not 100% sure but I believe the issue is ont he iMac side, not the "driving" machine. They had to do timing magic to get those things to work. I think there was an article on MR about it.
I'd be willing to part with my 27" iMac if the 21.5" will be able to be used as an external display. Is this possible or is the issue with any 4/5K iMac?[/QUOTE]

Don't quote me on it and definitely do some research before you jump but I believe the 2014 4k 21.5 can do it, looking at that page.
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I work in the Visual Effects (CGI) industry for film & TV and Macs (MBs & MBPs) are essentially relegated to machines for producers, assistants and coordinators to do scheduling. Macs are sadly no longer bought for and used by the artists themselves (where I work/have worked, ie. there are always exceptions). Instead we are working on Linux and Windows workstations (HP, Boxx, etc.)

Interestingly enough, many VFX Artists do themselves buy Mac Book Pros and iMacs or cling on to cMPs at home for personal use and freelance work. Very few however seem to have bought the nMP. In fact, in my circle of friends and colleagues I can't think of anyone that bought into the new MP. Why? Well, to be honest, it's just not that great of a workstation for our type of work. Its lack of CPU cores and upgradable GPUs, and the fact that you can't add internal storage at all is a big turn off to many. Add to that the excessive price-tag, the lack of dual GPU support in the 3D software tools we use and the lack of commitment from Apple and it's no wonder there are so few nMPs out there in the wild.

So, yeah, the droves aren't quite jumping ship just yet. Many still make do with MBP's (often running Windows, perversely) or are hanging on by the skin of their teeth to their (in many ways superior) cMPs. Myself included. I'm still rocking a 2010 cMP that's upgraded almost as far as it will allow. It is still an awesome workstation that I love to bits, but I just can't see myself "upgrading" to an nMP. It breaks my heart to see what Apple has become. :(

It certainly does look from the outside that Apple have lost interest in that niche. You'll know for sure in a few days.
 
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Kaby lake for MacBook Pros not out till 1st quarter next year and then there's an issue with on board graphics for top end models to be worked out too.
They are rumored to roll out in January 2017. So we waited all year to get end of life CPU and a magical LED strip. Apple has really screwed over mac users.
 
I'd be less surprised if it were exactly the same travel as the MacBook keyboard. Apple are obsessed with making things thin rather than functional.
With notebooks, size is important. Also, other OEMs have managed to cram chicklet-style keyboards into devices as thin, but have needed to make other compromises (such as a smaller battery or a lower resolution screen). Notebooks are about balancing trade-offs.
 
Most hardware changes would be difficult to tell in everyday use. However, paying a premium for computers that are out of date (especially when most people buying computers are used to the 2000s when just a few months meant massive upgrades in performance) is a tough sell.

Just like with cars, who would want to buy a 2014, in 2016, with the exact same price, while the other car brands keep upgrading performance in those two years?

If you wait until post Thursday, you're not buying 2014 in 2016. You're buying 2016 in 2016. There is more to a computer than it's CPU - there are tonnes of other enhancements that all contribute to a better piece of hardware than those on sale today. Yeah, of course, the newer the better but from what I understand Sky Lake is still the best mobile processor available from Intel right now, with their newer chips not available for notebooks until Spring next year.
 
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