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New MacBook Pro and 13-Inch 'MacBook' Coming Next Week, iMac and Display Not Ready Yet
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I find it rather amusing that the only rumored feature for the iMac is a new GPU (great update by itself, but still) and yet that's the one that's not ready. Why exactly is it some monumental task for a half-trillion dollar company to run some tests for a few (more efficient) chips and add them to the supply chain?
What happened is that nobody wants or cares about dropping $1000 on a separate display for their $2000 iMac just because it uses thunderbolt.
Hence why Apple discontinued it.
I bought a 20" cinema screen back in 2006 and cost me about $1000 CDN. I'm still using it today. The colour reproduction is warmer and much better than my MBP screen. I love the USB hub and the consistent styling of my MBP. So I'd say it was a good investment but it's so scratched from each time I moved, I'd like a new one.
I tried the new cinema but it was huge on my desk. It looked like a TV sitting there. Plus, the glossy screen had so much glare on it, I had to close the blinds and work in the dark. Screw that. It's bad enough I have to work inside but disconnect myself completely from natural light? I'll keep my 20" ACD.
The idea of a GPU inside a screen is great. This reduces the cost of MBPs without having to buy a discrete GPU and allows more room to include a more powerful GPU in the screen. My MBP overheats and graphically stutters when clamshelling with an external monitor. I have to slightly open it up and throw an external fan on it.
Unfortunately because my cMBP only has thunderbolt 1, I'll have to get a new laptop to make use of this ... assuming it's a real thing.
Read. The. Thread.
The 27" iMac already runs Skylake and Kaby Lake won't be available for that power envelope until next year.
Again: think... the product engineers are in their old familiar building, working on products, while a number of miles down the road dedicated people are working on the new building.
Any new small push to innovation that the new building might hypothetically bring, will be offset by the fact that the whole computing market is maturing at a rapid rate, which is slowing down innovation.
A new building will not increase the likelihood of new iPod like or iPhone like blockbuster products.
P.s. Repeating something doesn't make it less nonsensical.
That is my nightmare situation. The Mini is the only computer Apple sells that I actually like
Thanks for your input. I bought my daughter.a Thule laptop backpack with padded compartments (when I bought her the laptop)- and I bought her a TECH 21 Case. I originally bought her the Thule case but it actually cracked and we returned it for the Tech 21 (what I have on my Air and have liked it). I am concerned about needing the 16gb and the I7...some young folks that work for me say she does not need that and the base model would have been fine. I appreciate the advice on the insurance...never thought of it...we have a separate rider on my wife's jewelry, ...I'll ask our agent - good call.
These comments are rather moronic. It's the same as saying that Apple is doomed without the iPhone.
Apple could cut costs by using their A10 ARM chips in laptops... why don't they do it ?
Actually we know for a fact that they just added A10 support to macOS
Maybe we'll get A10 mac book air in a few days !
I,m surprised no one here is talking about this possibility...
Actually we know for a fact that they just added A10 support to macOS
Maybe we'll get A10 mac book air in a few days !
I,m surprised no one here is talking about this possibility...
I truly hope Macrumors (or even 9To5Mac) will put out an article detailing why Kaby Lake chips for the Macbook Pro and the iMac aren't ready yet...
Are you seriously suggesting that Apple migrating to an AIO pro machine would be a good thing? Or has the sarcasm dial looped right round?I may be crazy from a severe lack of sleep, or just a bit mental in general
But I have an odd feeling that the Mac Pro as we know it is dead, buried in the desert and a coyote has run off with its dangly man bits for breakfast. Ahem, anyway, I can't shake the feeling that the current Mac Pro will be replaced by, wait for it.........
......The new iMac Pro! A seriously beefed out variant of the iMac with dual Xeon processors and massively powerful dedicated graphics. Best of all, not only will there be user access to upgrade the memory, to a total of 128GB this time round. But there will also be a user accessible dual hard drive bay allowing us to easily upgrade our storage at any time.
The iMac Pro will be redesigned to accommodate these changes. The screen will be chinless and edge-to-edge the main guts will be on the back of the screen as a redesigned mini motherboard housing the CPU's and graphics chipsets and so on. Whereas the hard drives and memory will be contained in the base of the device attached to a small daughter board. Which in turn is connected to the motherboard with a cable which runs internally through the base assembly.
The amount of USB 3 ports will be doubled and there will be an additional 6 USB-C ports. For the first time there is going to be a Lightning port on the iMac Pro, allowing the use of headphones sporting the new all digital interface and.......damn, then I woke up
AIO iMacs are useful in that you can sell a single simplified package to consumers rather than just a portion of their purchase, with most compromises being fairly acceptable for the purpose.
But a pro machine?
Let's start at the beginning and point out that the integrated display is probably not the desired one for such users, so a big expensive component is either not a selling point, or a negative (in that it'll have to be hidden away somewhere, and there's a cost).
But desk space is a premium, so this great bulky object with an undesirable screen would have to be located out of the way somewhere. The size and shape (and orientation) won't help with this.
Then there's the practicality of this: Higher power units require more cooling, so even if it was to be used as an on-desk unit, there would have to be some serious fan/vent/radiator innovation.
Then the upgradablity: this is not a benefit of the AIO design. Just because the nMP doesn't offer a lot in this area doesn't mean that an there's nothing left to lose.
What else? Oh. More ports? Other than being a chipset design decision; probably unreachable round the back. Better processors? Yes please (subject to availability). Also probably harder to integrate into the restrictions of an AIO form.
Please don't patronise me.
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The new HQ being built will cause disruption to the business maybe the eye will be taken off the ball without realising it.
Most importantly though their present premises are not fit for purpose - they have out grown the building and this almost certainly will be stifling creativity.
I believe there will be major improvements overall in apple as a company when they move to the new HQ.
It'd cut down ad impressions from the zillion posters who storm in to say, "DELL ARE SHIPPING A KABY LAKE LAPTOP FOR $400 WHY ARE YOU SCREWING US CRAPPLE!!!11!" or "OMG SKYLAKE IS SO OLD!!" with absolutely no understanding of what they're saying.
That's my prediction. Reinvention of the line with new processors. It would explain why a refresh has taken so long.
It's been raised a few times and, barring Apple shocking us all in a few days with an ARMbook, I think the really interesting question is "Why don't they do it yet?" and the answer (my answer at least) to that is, unless they've cooked (pun unintended) something up in the lab in total secrecy, the current A* chips aren't quite there yet. If and when they can release something with at least equivalent power and with other benefits (much lower power consumption for example) then I think they will begin a move to their own chips. Apple like total control over every moving piece. My bet is 2 or 3 years before we see these. This is, of course, just a guess.
While I would like to know the reason why a company that produces computers has not managed to update so many principal products for between two and three years, I don't think the construction work has been going on long enough to entirely explain that.
Exactly my case. Once I got into the ecosystem with an iPhone and then the iPad years ago, the iMac was the natural extension.
I'd take a 2012 Mac Pro over the new trash can-style ones. Both were overpriced, but at least you could expand the original to be a killer machine ... and it looked bad ass.
2-3 years is actually a short time for the outward facing design of a Mac. 4-5 is the norm. As to why they haven't updated the CPUs on them all yearly, RTFT.
I'm excited about this, because a new laptop is probably going to be my next purchase (and I was waiting for TB3 in hopes of going with an eGPU some day).
That said, the laptops weren't really the machines in biggest need of an update. The Mac Pro and mini are the machines that are just crazy right now in terms of price and being so out of date. And, what's with Apple moving so many of their machines to dual-core from quad-core? I thought the future was supposed to be more cores. Apple seems to be holding prices firm, but putting less in the box.
That said, the laptops weren't really the machines in biggest need of an update. The Mac Pro and mini are the machines that are just crazy right now in terms of price and being so out of date. And, what's with Apple moving so many of their machines to dual-core from quad-core? I thought the future was supposed to be more cores. Apple seems to be holding prices firm, but putting less in the box.
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My route to macOS
iPod Mini 2004 (was 4GB now 256GB and in use daily)
iPod Classic 2005 (nicked)
iPod Touch 2007 (given away)
iPhone 2007 (sold via eBay)
iPad 2010 (given away)
iMac 21.5" 2015 * (used daily)
rMBP 13'' 2015 * (used daily)
*11 years to get there.
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