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New MacBook Pro and 13-Inch 'MacBook' Coming Next Week, iMac and Display Not Ready Yet
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I am actually pretty excited that this event is finally happening.
I hope the presentation will make Apple's thinking clear to all of us. I do not hope for a "These are the best laptops/desktops we've ever built" (naturally) but rather a "This is where we see the laptop/desktop going" — in relation to peoples needs, the line-up itself and in relation to the technology (discrete vs. integrated graphics, thunderbolt external graphics cards, external monitors, usb etc.).
After years of neglect, I was also hoping for a "Today we are updating our entire Mac lineup". That would have been a powerful Apple-ish move.
I hope the presentation will make Apple's thinking clear to all of us. I do not hope for a "These are the best laptops/desktops we've ever built" (naturally) but rather a "This is where we see the laptop/desktop going" — in relation to peoples needs, the line-up itself and in relation to the technology (discrete vs. integrated graphics, thunderbolt external graphics cards, external monitors, usb etc.).
After years of neglect, I was also hoping for a "Today we are updating our entire Mac lineup". That would have been a powerful Apple-ish move.
Didn't want to shill a particular brand, but that is the exact brand that I use for mine
It's very good stuff.That's a good one... The thing is, the base models are often quite attractive for what you get. It's the extra's where they get that nice fat margin. If whatever she's doing isn't CPU-bound, then I'd take the base model.
However there are certain use cases... If for example she'll use Photoshop to get RAW files from a DSLR, then get something better than base. RAW file size keeps increasing with camera sensor size, and >25MB files are nothing to sneeze at. (Not a photographer, this is what I heard from the latest ATP podcast, I think it was issue 191 or 192). However in that case, the disk space will also be a big problem with the base model.
Apple is very successful turning our dreams into our nightmares. I love the Mini and I own 3 server versions of them. I use one at home connected to a 27" Thunderbolt display for media server, backup server, cache and general purpose video and audio editing. The other 2 are used in my small business as our mail and file servers. All of them are 2012 or earlier models with quad core i7, user upgradable memory and drives.
I hate to see the trend at Apple. First make it non user upgradable, then trim it down in features and finally abandon it all together.
If the reason to abandon a product is based on its profit alone, then Apple should drop everything and sell only iPhones.
I don't get all the teeth gnashing. In 2011 I switched from Windows to all-Apple for our family. It was like breaking through the sound barrier: smooth sailing. I could concentrate on my work not computer maintenance for me and the family. This year my 2011 iMac and 2010 MacBook died. With great trepidation, because of all the negative postings, I bought a refurb 2014 Mac Mini. It has been brilliant. The iPad and iPhone bridged the gap with essential email and Internet until my desktop was replaced. I was back up and working in three days with a full desktop (the Mini) from the day I ordered it in the online Apple Store thanks to the backup systems and iCloud. The Mini is driving two big monitors, 2560 screen resolution is more than adequate, 8 gb RAM in Sierra is just fine with multiple apps open, and USB 3 speed is excellent. I do a lot more serious work on my desktop than just read email and browse the web, but I don't game, run virtual machines or edit big videos. With the money I saved getting the Mini, I'm thinking that I might get a mid-range MacBook of some kind on the 27th. I suppose I'll get criticized for being all positive, but I'm still a happy Apple camper.
YMMV, but as a user who uses FCPX to make my living, a committed Apple Watch user & someone who's not in the market for a new Mac until mid next year - I'd be completely happy with that!!!
If you're accessing both the SSD and the HDD at once, e.g. any time you're loading user data while the OS is doing anything that requires disk I/O, it's going to be faster. And the user data doesn't really need quick access anyway. You're ensuring that the OS always has the full SSD bandwidth and IOPS available to it so that your system is always responsive. But yes, the Fusion drive is more practical for typical users*.
* Separate OS and user data is at least just as practical for me or anyone else who knows how to set it up.
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Sorry, there's no way I'm going back to dealing with Linux or whatever. My time is worth something, as is everyone else's.I think after the "DON'T BUY" status has been displayed for a certain amount of time, it should read "JUST GET A PC".
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Wait...only MBPs and MBAs with usb-c but no retina? And yet the event is scheduled for TWO hours? What is going on?
They're going to talk about courage and air holes finally missing from their products.
With the new Cans, I hope they stick to standard SSD connectors since they're already after market SSD solutions in the form factor that'll fit with the MacPro, also I guess all will be USB-C + TB ports and they should provide a mix between commercial vs industry GPU as I'll be frank, many apps don't make use dual GPU, the market hardly changed since 2014. Unless if Apple allowed both GPU to act as 1 Super GPU, then that's another story.
Apple fans aren't happy with the direction of Apple: way longer than average delays for new products and underwhelming new features when they are finally released. But they know that there's still nothing better out there. So Apple's not going to sweat this. The current macbook pros are still for some unknown reason miles ahead of anything else out there.
I get the feeling there's a power struggle and Tim doesn't seem to be managing it at all. No wonder we've had no major Mac update (apart from MacBook) for a long time. The major issue is that MacOS is moving faster than the hardware updates. They normally pair with each other.
I hope there's no or very little mention of iOS stuff. There's an awful lot of the Mac community awaiting these updates and for Apple to lay down the cards for their laptop/desktop strategy going forward.
Didn't want to shill a particular brand, but that is the exact brand that I use for mine
That's a good one... The thing is, the base models are often quite attractive for what you get. It's the extra's where they get that nice fat margin. If whatever she's doing isn't CPU-bound, then I'd take the base model.
However there are certain use cases... If for example she'll use Photoshop to get RAW files from a DSLR, then get something better than base. RAW file size keeps increasing with camera sensor size, and >25MB files are nothing to sneeze at. (Not a photographer, this is what I heard from the latest ATP podcast, I think it was issue 191 or 192). However in that case, the disk space will also be a big problem with the base model.
That's part of the problem - it's an upsell to a marginally higher CPU when you just need some more storage (e.g. 512GB SSD i not available on the base model) and then literally charging hundreds of dollars more for that. "Meh, waddya gonna do, we're Apple".
Well, we'll see how these new MBPs turn out - I might skip them til the probable refresh in Oct next year, or if I don't like the way macOS (emoticonOS) is heading I might finally just jump ship to Linux :/
Apple will release what they release when they release it. all you lot moaning won't change a thing. If you don't like it, get a Windows laptop....jeez
Like a new processor shaving milliseconds off a process, or that extra 2 mins of battery life, oh my god, go for a walk and chill.
For those moaning about the butterfly keyboard, have you actually spent any time using it, its fine, I work all day at my PC and love the low profile keyboard and actually hate going to a normal one.
USB-C is coming and is easy to adopt. Someone has to push for the change from the old, slow USB port.
MagSafe, mmm, I dont miss it, maybe you should be more careful with your stuff??
Like a new processor shaving milliseconds off a process, or that extra 2 mins of battery life, oh my god, go for a walk and chill.
For those moaning about the butterfly keyboard, have you actually spent any time using it, its fine, I work all day at my PC and love the low profile keyboard and actually hate going to a normal one.
USB-C is coming and is easy to adopt. Someone has to push for the change from the old, slow USB port.
MagSafe, mmm, I dont miss it, maybe you should be more careful with your stuff??
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I kind of agree here, but then again, I don't. I love working with OS X and would probably have a lot of friction moving to either windows or linux, but I'm starting to look at options. I tried building a hackintosh, and while it works well there's a lot of fiddling with settings, drivers and such involved in that.
So far I'm leaning towards a custom built PC (probably windows, but linux works too), where I run OS X in a VM. You can just make it auto-start the OS X VM on boot, allocate a good amount of resources to it, make it think it has exactly the right hardware for OS X to run without problems and so on. Tab out of the VM to play games and such, and buy your user-upgradeable parts cheap just about anywhere.
I might go with this if Apple won't get a grip on their Mac lineup really soon. I guess I will know this thursday.
What happened to the 2011 iMac and 2010 MB??
4-5 years (one of them a stationary) this seems rather short life?
(Father used a 2004 Vaio until last year, mother is running a 2009 Macbook white and I still have my 2007 Thinkpad running as a logging terminal)
Yes, but its without a gpu and meight be good enough for a macbook pro 13 bit not for a macbook pro 15. they used kabylake here cause they use external gpu!
MacBook Pro users want to have a discreet GPU. Iris Pro is a sucky waste of CPU die. (assuming that's what you refer to)
There is only one proper solution for Apple in this situation.
Apple should release the quad core Skylake 15" MBPs and a special 15w KabyLake variant for around $200 more. Everyone wins then
I dont think that is there fault that performance has been at a slow increase. I mean, it not like their engineers aren't doing their part. It must be pretty difficult to try and meet the demand of those wanting a chip that is high performance while still keeping a low TDP. If it were that easy to just make CPU's just like that, then more companies would have been considered by apple i assume. But its a bit silly to think that Intel should have made a CPU like that for consumers.
The previous poster seems to be pretty on point about how we have hit a performance wall.
Now if you want to mention that we do have 8 core CPUs and such, just remember they are in a much higher TDP range, and clearly aren't made for mobile devices.
”4) adoption of a similar processor as Apple Watch to control the OLED touch bar more energy-efficiently in the new MacBook Pro models"
That's an ARM chip in a Mac, which will also be needed for the fingerprint secure enclave.
Why would Apple go to the effort of developing powerful ARM chips but then waste time and money with Intel and only use underpowered ARM chips in its Macs for secondary tasks? That would be a fudge: two competing chips in one Mac.
All the innovation and software in recent years has been built around ARM. Thursday will bring ARM-powered Macs. Intel is over for Apple.
That's an ARM chip in a Mac, which will also be needed for the fingerprint secure enclave.
Why would Apple go to the effort of developing powerful ARM chips but then waste time and money with Intel and only use underpowered ARM chips in its Macs for secondary tasks? That would be a fudge: two competing chips in one Mac.
All the innovation and software in recent years has been built around ARM. Thursday will bring ARM-powered Macs. Intel is over for Apple.
mmm, that's your opinion.
It's very easy for something to come running through sending your power cord flying.
Point being, it's not always about you being careful.
-Keyboards are personal preference. (I personally love the flat feel).
I take it you're single or don't have littles one/pets?
It's very easy for something to come running through sending your power cord flying.
Point being, it's not always about you being careful.
I mentioned many pages ago that Apple may do what AMD will be doing in their upcoming Zen server processors which they implant an ARM processor within their server processor to encrypt data on the fly and decrypt when needed.
True, but u do see that cord on the ground don't u.
Not always about being careful, but u wouldn't want a Mac to fly through the air either.
Wold this be less secure than being stored ? Because anything in RAM can be got at in the right time.
If it's stored, u still need to get at that encryption, thus more secure as in the case how Apple does it.