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Was it that game where fairies flew around?

No, just a stupid little thing where you pointed at a card with a known pattern on a surface, a character appeared on there and you could mess with them a bit. Damned if I can remember the name of it.
 
When a console is introduced there are games on it the first day it goes on sale. The way you build an architecture around unreleased chips is the same - working closely with the manufacturer and working with prerelease chips or technology to allow you to release the computer (or game) the second the chip is released. So - this is not the reason as other manufacturers do this all the time. Apple is just being Apple.

Your post makes no sense?

Do you think Apple doesn't have Kaby right now? Well check the availability of MSI or ASUS MBs with Kaby, not till 2017.

As I stated Apple will take their time and maybe keep to their normal schedule and have Kaby update/refresh next year at this time. That is if they think it will sell more MBPs and the cost justifies the update/refresh.

Why do many of you think it is such an easy thing to engineer, design, make production contracts, and market a new machine? Look at any product cycle and you will see a minimum of a year plus to just make the announcement it is available to order.
 
I'm confused by your reply quite frankly. You seem to misunderstanding and misinterpreting my posts.

the link I referenced says in a nutshell - better graphics efficiency with little CPU processing performance.

That was my point all along - increased GPU performance. I claimed nothing about actual CPU processing performance. ( non GPU related ).

I said nothing about gaming performance.

The date of the link one month old is irrelevant - it an overview of Kabylake - one month isn't going to make a difference.. Are you seeing the same link as I posted? It's PCWorld.

I don't recall complaining specially about Kabylake or Skylake CPUs.


Sorry but I checked Intel's actual sight and specs comparisons between the old and new CPUs and your link confirms what I wrote. Additionally another poster added to my quote the info on the faster video, as your link also says.

In a nut shell Kaby is not a significant tick in the Intel clock.

Basically you just want to complain and as others are also posting Kaby is just not timely for good engineering in such a short time frame.

Give it up Stella, it's not just a gaming machine.

BTW Stella did you check the date on your link? Aug 2016, just like Intel said, the official release date for Kaby and board developers only got the CPUs as early as April or May 2016. Not enough time for full scale development and release of quality products to the general public.

Now if you want a MB with Kaby it looks like early 2017 from MSI or ASUS is as early as you will get one.
 
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Stella

I apologize then, I took you reference to google as a slam and a defense, like many have posted, that the coming MBP will miss out on gaming opportunities because of the lack of Kaby.

I get tired of all the slammers and those who are not happy with their Apple products. I find the Apple machines overall superior to the average Windows machine and even with the latest Win 10 version, far more user consistent and friendly.

Thank you for you correction.
 
what is better - OSX VS windows is user preference and what you are doing. Windows is better for some tasks and OSX better for others.. Not black and white.



Stella

I apologize then, I took you reference to google as a slam and a defense, like many have posted, that the coming MBP will miss out on gaming opportunities because of the lack of Kaby.

I get tired of all the slammers and those who are not happy with their Apple products. I find the Apple machines overall superior to the average Windows machine and even with the latest Win 10 version, far more user consistent and friendly.

Thank you for you correction.
 
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I'm getting a sick feeling about the Mac Pro.
I cannot believe that Apple would kill the Mac Pro now after putting in so much effort in designing the nMP. Far more likely that they might repurpose it to be cheaper, ie the headless mac. Create a few more variations with differing motherboard platforms, add a reasonably priced consumer version, and they might get some serious sales.

As far as I am concerned, it is an awfully cool little computer. If it had more consumer hardware instead of the extra expensive pro stuff, I might consider buying one in the future. But I doubt it will. It will most likely stay the ultra-niche computer that almost everyone wants, but very few can justify actually buying.
 
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I hope you don't think he really meant what he said about that IPad. That's marketing speak, IPad sales were flat, they needed to say something to convince people to try it this new one, and they even called it a "Pro" to help pitch it. There is no way the IPad replaces a Macbook, anyone with even half a brain knows that.
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No, there is no way that is happening now, or anytime in the foreseeable future.

I disagree. It's think it'll happen and sooner than later.
 
How about the Skylake i7 6770/6870/6970-HQ with Iris Pro 580 which were "launched" in January but we've only seen the 6770 in anything shipping at all, and that's Intel's Skull Canyon NUC which started shipping early Summer I believe. None of those are shipping any laptop on the market, and we haven't seen the 68/6970s in anything at all yet.

Those whining for Kaby Lake really don't understand how these releases actually unfold in real life. All we have for KL yet are the super low power chips that would never be seen in a MBP. Who knows when those will actually ship.

That quad-core Skylake you mentioned is the exact family of processors I expect to see in the next-gen 15" MBP & updated 21.5" 4K iMac. The new Razer Blade that was just released uses the Intel Skylake Core i7-6700HQ SKU. So far it's the only PC other than the Intel Skull Canyon that uses it (at least from what I could find).

http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-systems/razer-blade
 
That quad-core Skylake you mentioned is the exact family of processors I expect to see in the next-gen 15" MBP & updated 21.5" 4K iMac

Yep, I have the Haswell equivalent in my 15" rMBP

$ sysctl -n machdep.cpu.brand_string
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770HQ CPU @ 2.20GHz
 
A Skylake processor...? Seriously Apple?

I could understand an iMac with skylake. But MacBooks? Give me a break Apple, you really should use the newer Kaby Lake processors that offer some real power efficiency advantages...unless you want to be out of date literally on the first day.
 
That's not really that significant when the TB3 controller is available the way Apple have been implementing Thunderbolt 2 and the way it'll be implemented on the MacBook Pro's next week. In the long term having an integrated chip will cut down costs for manufacturers but it won't make any difference to us the end user.

There is a TB3 two bus chip exactly the same as the TB2 one used by Apple on the 15" rMBP now, and that's what will be going into the new machines next week.
Yes, but I'm talking MBr exclusively here, that external TB controller doesn't fit, which is why the MBr doesn't have TB at the moment. Realize that it has no bearing on either current gen. MBPr.

Wouldn't be terribly surprised of the MBr got Kaby Lake this week as a mid-term spec bump so all the models in the new MB line up got TB3.
 
A Skylake processor...? Seriously Apple?

I could understand an iMac with skylake. But MacBooks? Give me a break Apple, you really should use the newer Kaby Lake processors that offer some real power efficiency advantages...unless you want to be out of date literally on the first day.

You look pretty silly right now

hint: as has been said at least 50 times in this very thread and every other thread on the subject, there is no Kaby Lake suitable for MBP until next year

hint2: on the page before this one someone noting that Razer just released a high end gaming laptop with Skylake, only the 2nd machine to have this chip

It's probably best not to talk about thing you don't understand publicly
 
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Stella

I use both and prior to 2010 was a Windows only fan.

Today I write both apps (yes in the App Store) for iOS and programs for OS X.

Back in my Windows days I did the same for Windows and am fluent with the MS Foundation Classes.

Why do I prefer OS X over Windows for the average user? They just work.

Just today I loaded Win 10 for a lady who sells insurance products and had a 2015 MBP. Like all installs the first thing one does with Windows is to load an anti-virus program, update it and Windows with its latest (seemingly daily) updates.

What do I do when I get a new Mac? Turn it on.


Thanks again.
 
Seems like the level of ignorance is exponentially increasing in the world.
 
I had an AR app on my iPhone 3G. It isn't inherently graphically intensive, it depends entirely on what you choose to augment the view with.
I don't consider Pokemon Go and similar as AR as it's pretty much just a graphical overlay. When I mention AR, I mean things like HoloLens and for VR, Oculus
 
what is better - OSX VS windows is user preference and what you are doing. Windows is better for some tasks and OSX better for others.. Not black and white.

I'd be interested to know what tasks Windows is better at. I wouldn't call playing games a task.
This is a serious question because having helped out a friend many times with a Windows Machine (it's like the blind leading the deaf, dumb and blind), I can't see anything it's better at. But that's just what I know... which is pretty much stuff all when it comes to Windows.
 
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I don't consider Pokemon Go and similar as AR as it's pretty much just a graphical overlay. When I mention AR, I mean things like HoloLens and for VR, Oculus

AR is a well defined term and the app I had on an iPhone 3g meets any reasonable definition. It was a 3d model projected in real space.
 
What is it about this that people are not understanding? The fastest Kaby chip that can possibly have is the 15w one. If Apple put a 15w Kabylake in the 13" rMBP it will be slower in general computation than the Haswell part they have now. There is no argument here and nothing you Google or nothing anyone else builds with ULV Kaby will change that. The appropriate chips will not be released until next year

I know right? Why do people get so damn obsessed with the product names?
 
I know right? Why do people get so damn obsessed with the product names?

I'd like each and every person who buys an rMBP but also insists that Apple has to ship non-existent Kaby Lake processors* to get a special edition rMBP with a 15w Kaby in it. It'd crawl compared to Skylake or even Haswell 45w part but at least they'd have the dubious pleasure of knowing they have the latest processor.

*Not that most of people proclaiming this ever had any intention of buying one in the first place
 
As others have mentioned, there's still a major plot hole here around the release date. If these chips were released in June, even if they weren't available in volume right away, why not announce them the last week of July and start shipping them the first week of August? Even if they took six weeks to ship them all, that would have been way less bad than Apple missing back-to-school season.

Unless Skylake just because available in volume, it's hard to believe that there wasn't some other component they were waiting for.

Um, they were working on a redesign? Why update the laptops and announce a redesign 2 months later? Makes no sense. People REALLY need to start thinking.
 
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