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No big deal with the tiny notch, most people won’t notice it, just like on the iPhone. Since nobody stares at the top of their screen, just the center.
 
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I do like how they decided to use the notch area for the menu bar. That makes perfect sense. The menu bar on my Mac has nothing in the mid-section anyway. It's just wasted space. But it's a pity Apple didn't incorporate FaceID into it. At the price point of those machines, it would have made financial sense. And what an ease of use it would be: just open the lid and you're on your desktop.
What happens if it starts cutting into the menu items in the toolbar? What about the people who like to use full screen apps?
 
I'm not against the notch. Just wondering what happens when all these menu items are displaying up there.

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Not me. I use my 2016 MBPs screen. And the notch just killed my desire to buy a new MBP.
You do realize the screen is 16” + additional area around the notch? Basically, a small part of the Menu Bar will be covered. And, based on the pictures, you don’t have to even use this added space, making it exactly the same (with the XDR screen, this black area will just be “off” if you want it).
 
Not me. I use my 2016 MBPs screen. And the notch just killed my desire to buy a new MBP.
Well, you could try to push down the display area, to where that big fat bezel is at the bottom. That way it's moved out of the notch area and there would be no notch... oh... wait... 😂
 
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Spoiler alert: poorly.
I don’t understand why everyone is praising this. This is ridiculous. I thought Jony Ive was bad but apparently we’ve gone from bad to worse.
I'm not praising it by any means, I'd prefer no notch. I'm just saying it isn't as bad as it seems, it won't interfere with most users workflows.
 
The thing that throws me off on these new MBP’s isn’t the notch, it’s the overall design that looks far less modern in my opinion than products like the iPad Pro (which I love and use as my daily work driver). I guess it makes sense given how the iPhone 12 and 13 are inspired from iPhone designs from the past (4 & 5). Apple really seems to be going back to right a bunch of wrongs from the Jony Ive days of the thinner the better.

It seems like they went function over form for once. It is very un-apple from recent years.
But it makes sense for a Pro machine. Some of the hardware, like the bigger speakers, would never have fit in otherwise.
 
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They're sitting on billions of dollars surely they could invest a little more in R&D and come up with a camera that doesn't need a chin to fit in.
They spend more on R&D per product than any company out there. Surely they can come up with it, but surely it's not ready for the market. We'll just have to make do with the fastest and most efficient laptops, so sad.
 
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I have some apps that cover more than half the menu bar with menu items. Some people use the low res scaled display options. I wonder what happens in these cases.

Is there now a limit how many menu bar items developers will be allowed?
No, that wouldn't work with localization, I think they'll put ... button to hide menu items that don't fit in
 
I don’t understand the bitching about the notch. Apple placed it in the middle of a space wasting Menu bar which doesn’t have a damn thing on it, so no friggin’ big deal IMO. This isn’t a Ferrari that you will be driving around town trying to compensate for something, it is a computer you will be using. It might seem to cost like a Ferrari though, at least on the high end. That is my major complaint.
 
Take your MBP screen, look at it. They added space left and right of the camera, for the menu bar. They found additional space for your menu bar, so when you fullscreen apps, you still have it. Otherwise it’s the same screen you had. They added space, they didn’t take away anything.

But this is too hard for the Internet to comprehend, it seems. Every comment on every MBP news today is “but the notch”.

Personally, I really like the choice they made here.
 
Not me. I use my 2016 MBPs screen. And the notch just killed my desire to buy a new MBP.

I guess people prefer the large notch of the MacBook Pro 13", that goes across the full length of the screen, over the small notch in the new macbooks.View attachment 1869940
Exactly. These criticisms seem fake.

Why would customers be disappointed with the notch? It is better than a big black border around the screen.
Yep. Its the single biggest reason why the 2021 MBPs look dated.
 
Take your MBP screen, look at it. They added space left and right of the camera, for the menu bar. They found additional space for your menu bar, so when you fullscreen apps, you still have it. Otherwise it’s the same screen you had. They added space, they didn’t take away anything.

But this is too hard for the Internet to comprehend, it seems. Every comment on every MBP news today is “but the notch”.

Personally, I really like the choice they made here.
Agree 100% And people are saying ’they‘ve added a notch’, when what they’ve actually added is more screen real estate.
 
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