New MacBook Pro Models Coming at WWDC, Suggests Leaker

[nouvejetzt]

I cannot wait to spend the money I haven't earned!

 

[robjulo]

Apple is Ive's design firm's primary customer. For all you know, he personally designed this machine.

There is no evidence either of those statements are true. And the design is opposite of where Ive's designs were. There is actual functionality, something he couldn't seem to grasp.

 

[BradMacPro]

but they‘ve released a low-end 13“, why not the same for 16“?

Apple reserves the better processor for the 16" model. Some other companies may offer low end processors and large screens, Apple doesn't do that. Same thing happens on the iMac, as the smaller display model got the low end processor and maybe a GPU, and the bigger one got the better processors and better GPUs. In fact the iMac 27" until recently still used mobile-class GPUs.

 

[familychoice]

except Safari doesn't offer that option

Ok, ... I have my Firefox browser set to automatically delete cookies and cache files when I quit. Better?

 

[BradMacPro]

M1 does not have the I/O capability to power a full-power MacBook Pro. Same reason they haven't released the high-end 13".

The upper end of the 13" MacBook Pro line will not be as fast as the 16" MacBook Pro. I can see a M1X with modest improvement over the first M1 but a M2 for a 16" MacBook Pro if it's going to compete with a 27" iMac replacement.

 

[familychoice]

Dumping my 16" hot, laggy, battery sucky, and noisy fans Intel MBP.

Can't wait for the new 16".

So far loved the M1 Mini & M1 iMac so this laptop should be equally if not more awesome!

Keep reading stuff like this about the Intel 16”, but not my experience at all. Battery life is almost as good as when I bought it 15 months ago, no slow speed issues, and the only time it gets warm is when I’m charging and connected to an external monitor at the same time - otherwise it’s as cool as a cucumber. Yet it’s in use all day as my main work machine.

Considering Apple will only offer me about 25% of what I paid for it I’ll most likely keep it for a few more years, and it does the job perfectly anyway, but supplement it with an M1 (or the next version) desktop - most likely a Mini.

 

[BradMacPro]

One can make an argument that his 1998 iMac design saved apple

Or was it Steve Jobs for picking it and Jony Ive? Steve dropped the Performas and the clones and the MessagePad and slimmed down the product line. I imagine Jony Ive had a bunch of concepts and prototypes to show Jobs.

 

[dannyyankou]

Or was it Steve Jobs for picking it and Jony Ive? Steve dropped the Performas and the clones and the MessagePad and slimmed down the product line. I imagine Jony Ive had a bunch of concepts and prototypes to show Jobs.

Sure Steve picked the concept, but that doesn’t take any credit away from Jony. He also designed the MacBook Air which you can argue changes the entire laptop industry.

 

[Lemon Olive]

New chip in production in April and we’re to expect new products based on it half a season later?
- no thought to thorough testing under various extremes the chip would go through?
- no thought to creating and testing various motherboards/logic boards?
- no thought to production tests or variants?
- no thought to testing product colour variants before production?

April, currently it’s May, and next month it’ll be June at WWDC on the 7th/10th. heck a LARQ large fridge is taking 2mths from design to finalizing production (and it’s built out of recycled plastics except for 5mm glass lens, electronics for UV-C, battery and traditional filter packages). We’ve NEVER seen a production laptop, desktop, heck even an iPhone take 2 months from chip production to annoucement and shipping under 30 days.

I think the April chip production is going to fall or winter products, not these MBP to be announced in a few weeks.

Well, you're wrong. Don't know what to tell you. 90 days is what we normally see from the start of fab to release product. Which, amazingly enough, correlates to every single source right now.

 

[Stephen.R]

Or was it Steve Jobs for picking it and Jony Ive? Steve dropped the Performas and the clones and the MessagePad and slimmed down the product line. I imagine Jony Ive had a bunch of concepts and prototypes to show Jobs.

Steve didn’t “pick” Jony Ive.

Jony joined Apple in 93, and worked as an external designer for them even before that.

every time someone says “thank goodness Ive left” they somehow forget that the “previous” Macs they deem “better” - be it the Mac Pro, the pre-tb3 MacBooks, etc - were also all designed under Ives leadership.

 

[mattopotamus]

The Air is perfect for my use case as an IT Admin, but the lack of ports and no MagSafe makes me want to move up to the new redesigned 14-inch MBP...

Good point. My dongle game is strong though ahah.

 

[BradMacPro]

I’m unsure what exactly is legacy about HDMI? Literally the most common media interface.

It was stupid to remove HDMI to begin with. Its very common to need to connect laptops to TV’s or projectors. A dedicated port for that is obviously a must.

These are immobile devices, so it's no big deal to use a dongle for these. What is included on a mobile device should be something that is best for a mobile device. A SD card slot makes sense as digital cameras are also mobile devices. Sure there are some cameras with a wireless function, but unless that becomes commonplace, it makes sense to still have a card reader.

 

[BradMacPro]

Which iOS style limitations?

I think he means iOS or iPadOS influenced design which could include constraints. The smaller screen there involves some compromizes and the touch interface brings on in Big Sur larger spacing that could lead to a touch interface in the followup to Big Sur for the iPad Pro.

 

[poematik13]

What "workflow downsides" and "iOS-style limitations" are these?

I've moved almost seamlessly from the same software on an Intel MBP 16 to an M1 Mac Mini, and can't see any significant difference apart from the M1 Mini running noticeably faster for most tasks.

What software works differently for you? I'm curious!

There's a few plugins and older video codecs I still might need to use that I don't see a workflow for on the new platform

 

[Apple Freak]

I didn't think Apple talked about hardware at WWDC much.

 

[chucker23n1]

I didn't think Apple talked about hardware at WWDC much.

It depends. There's WWDCs where hardware is barely mentioned at all, and then there's ones with multiple hardware releases.

 

[chucker23n1]

every time someone says “thank goodness Ive left” they somehow forget that the “previous” Macs they deem “better” - be it the Mac Pro, the pre-tb3 MacBooks, etc - were also all designed under Ives leadership.

Do they forget, or do they acknowledge that, while Ive had a good run for a decade and a half, they kind of phoned it in afterwards? He clearly got bored with doing Macs and iPhones around 2013, and instead worked on the Apple Watch and Apple Park. Both of which are impressive, but in the meantime, they needed someone at the helm of Mac hardware design, and instead it was ranging between uninspired (no new significant iMac design changes between moving 2007 and 2021) and outright bad (putting the Butterfly keyboard in the entire Apple notebook line-up) for years.

 

[richinaus]

Keep reading stuff like this about the Intel 16”, but not my experience at all. Battery life is almost as good as when I bought it 15 months ago, no slow speed issues, and the only time it gets warm is when I’m charging and connected to an external monitor at the same time - otherwise it’s as cool as a cucumber. Yet it’s in use all day as my main work machine.

Considering Apple will only offer me about 25% of what I paid for it I’ll most likely keep it for a few more years, and it does the job perfectly anyway, but supplement it with an M1 (or the next version) desktop - most likely a Mini.

Yeah, I have a maxed out 2020 MBP 16 and it really is great. I did have major issues with fans on a previous MBP though, and the upgraded GPU certainly helps.
I will be keeping mine for WFH and will get a maxed M2 / 1X 14” for portability [I dont like carrying the 16” around that much].

 

[Stephen.R]

He clearly got bored with doing Macs and iPhones around 2013

As you know him so well, say hi for me next time you see him.

 

[George Zip]

2012: New 2012 MacBook Air, 2012 MacBook Pro, and the first MacBook Pro with retina display.
2013: 2013 MacBook Air, 2013 Mac Pro, and new airport extreme
2017: 2017 MacBook Air update, 2017 MacBook Pro, 2017 iMac, 2017 iMac Pro, 2017 iPad pros, and the HomePod
2019: 2019 MacBook Pro, Pro Display XDR
even in 2020, we got sort of a hardware announcement with the Apple silicon developer transition kit.
either way, within the last 10 WWDC‘s, 5 of them had hardware. So, using that logic, we really do have a 50/50 shot.
and given that the rumor is the new MacBook pros Will be ready to go for the summer, plus the fact that the 16 inch MacBook Pro hasn’t been updated since November 2019, I think that there’s a pretty good chance of them being announced.

I did a similar list a few years ago for a Mac forum I was on; 2018 going back to 2005. While there are dry spells, there's been some significant releases at WWDC.

WWDC 2018
software * macOS Mojave, iOS 12, watchOS 5, tvOS 12
hardware * none

WWDC 2017
software * macOS High Sierra, iOS 11, watchOS 4, tvOS 11
hardware * new iPad Pro models, iMac Pro, MacBook upgrades; HomePod

WWDC 2016
software * macOS Sierra, iOS 10, watchOS 3 and tvOS 10
hardware * none

WWDC 2015
software * iOS 9, Mac OS X 10.11, watchOS update, Apple Music
hardware * none

WWDC 2014
software * iOS 8, Mac OS X 10.10
hardware * none

WWDC 2013
software * Mac OS 10.9 Mavericks, iOS 7, iTunes Radio, iWork for iCloud
hardware * Mac Pro (introduction of new design), MacBook Air (new models)

WWDC 2012
software * Mac OS 10.8, iOS 6
hardware * MacBook Air (new models), MacBook Pro (new models), intro of MacBook Pro with Retina Display

WWDC 2011
software * Mac OS 10.7, iOS 5, iCloud
hardware * none

WWDC 2010
software * iPhone OS becomes iOS, FaceTime for iPhone
hardware * iPhone 4

WWDC 2009
software * iPhone OS 3
hardware * MacBook Pro (13") (reveal), MacBook Pro (15" & 17") (refresh reveal), iPhone 3GS

WWDC 2008
software * iOS App Store, iPhone OS 2, Mac OS 10.6 updates, .me rebranded to MobileMe
hardware * none

WWDC 2007
software * Mac OS 10.6 (beta reveal), Safari (Windows version), iPhone Dev Kit (iPhone was announced Jan 2007)
hardware * none

WWDC 2006
software * Mac OS 10.5 (reveal), Time Machine
hardware * Mac Pro (replacing the Power Mac G5)

WWDC 2005
software * reveal of partnering with Intel
hardware * none

 

[miq]

No thanks, I'll stick with my 2015 15" MBP.

 

[Apple_Robert]

I am really tempted to just take the plunge on the Air at the moment, would get the M1 Pro but with the minor improvement over the Air, and the fact it has the Touch Bar just makes it senseless to fork out an extra 300 for…

I am either going to take the plunge or just hold out til WWDC before I decide…

You could get the Air now and make use of the 14 day return window. WWDC is 12 days away. If you don't see anything compelling in the presentation that would warrant spending more money than the Air, you are good to go. If you do see something in the presentation, you can initiate a return online which would give you even more than the original 14 day limit of return.

 

[DeepIn2U]

To be honest it would in no way surprise me if Apple literally just throw an M1X into the higher end MBP’s as they are now for this year, with a redesign and an M2 next year with miniLED…

Who’s to say that Apple originally planned a refresh of the MBP line design this year but now miniLED has been delayed so severely, they have just thought to hell with it… throw an M1 based chip in the current models as that will keep the consumers and share holders happy for the next 12 months.

It’s just strange how… the entry level iMac gets a full redesign for M1 (no miniLED I might add), yet the MacBook Air and Pro have no redesign with their M1 introduction, something tells me Apple is going to continue with the current design until 2022… then refresh the Air lines design first either late this year or early next with the Pro line following suit later…

Could apple potentially get away with another 12 months with the current design and Touch Bar… ??? Something tells me they could.

The leaks of a redesign only heated up after the ransom attack, but that design could be for next years model… it in no way means we are going to see it this year.

I agree that the non-redesigned 13” MBP released late 2020 for the M1 was the plan due to miniLED production issues. Also with a more mature M1 (be it M1X or whatever it’s called) would probably be more cost effective and faster to place in a 14/16” MBP equally with more RAM, storage since the thermal thresholds of the design more than support the M1’s tolerances.

Products are not necessarily made to keep ‘shareholders’ happy - Less cost, less products being manufactured, products subject to returns/refunds, warranty claims, costly recalls, etc - are NOT ideal for shareholders. Increased revenues, services revenues, profits, least compensation for employees and executives (in any financial quarter/climate), is what a shareholders (the BIG ones) are after!

iMac has ALWAYS had priority love from Apple, and users/fans alike - the M1 is pure testamount to this. Also not much competition in elegant desktops, let alone All-In-One desktop solutions by any measuare, and the design seems to hold longer than the laptops or the other 2 desktops (Mac Pro, Mac Mini) and was the longest in the refresh cycle needed. Again iMac design needed an upgrade, specs of the older screen was refreshed more recent before any M1 product was launched.

We’ll see what WWDC and the summer brings for us but note:
the higher end models are needed to upgrade before 2022 - leaving the Mac Pro to be THE very last!
“The Most Powerfull Desktop Computer” will be advertised by Apple again - and they’ll get to hold it with absolutely NO complaints for over year this time around

 

[Apple_Robert]

No thanks, I'll stick with my 2015 15" MBP.

The great thing about the 2015 Mac models is the keyboard. I really like the feel of the 2015 keyboard.

 

[DeepIn2U]

I cannot wait to spend the money I haven't earned!

Ah using credit, like most people smart.

Well, you're wrong. Don't know what to tell you. 90 days is what we normally see from the start of fab to release product. Which, amazingly enough, correlates to every single source right now.

90 days from start of a brand new chip to product release? M1 was announced June 2020 https://www.apple.com/ca/newsroom/2020/06/apple-announces-mac-transition-to-apple-silicon/

Apple announced M1 in November 2020

Apple unleashes M1

Apple today announced the biggest leap forward for the Mac with M1, the first system on a chip designed specifically for the Mac.

www.apple.com

By my count that’s 5 months / 150 days not 3 months/90 days (July 1st month counted).