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My “legacy port” is not cutting edge. Wahhh!
10-bit 4K@120hz HDR1600, 1000-sustained-nits Monitors with double the zones of Pro Display XDR have HDMI 2.1 support and the best picture quality TVs in the world use HDMI 2.1 (Samsung Mini-LED TVs or LG's OLED TVs used by all major TV players).

Even current-gen consoles use HDMI 2.1 for FFS.
 
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Kind of sad when a $1400 Lenovo Legion Slim 7 does 4K120 HDR output via USB-C to HDMI and even has real 3060 dGPU with GDDR6 and not the fake iGPU with LPDDR on $2500+ Macbook Pro.
 
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I’m sure there are many people out there that, like me, would have rather had a fourth Thunderbolt 4 port than a single-use HDMI port, since I’ll never use the latter.

Easy to buy a cable or cheap adaptor to make the TB4 port into whatever you like.
I am with you, in the office we finally swapped most of the monitors to USB-C models and now also bought USB-C adaptors for every meeting room... I have a small adapter always with me anyway (for USB-A) which includes HDMI, can't really understand this Apple move, but okay...
 
I am not really sure why they would build a "Pro" laptop with USB-A in it. Maybe they could make a non-Pro with USB-A, but the Air is too thin. Plus to add its to the Pro would be further splitting the high throughput busses to even more
ports, thereby slowing them down even further. That would be a bad move if you are targeting creative professionals.

Also, I have run Adobe Premiere on a new M1 MacBook Air editing 4K video. 16GB or RAM did just fine for that task. Mac's are not gaming machines. Since I can do entry level Pro workflows on a MacBook Air, I feel like it isn't really hindered in any way for someone who isn't using it for professional purposes. In fact it is likely a LOT more of a machine than the average home user needs and fits nicely with power users. Professionals finally now have their computer too!
And I am not sure why they did build a "Pro" laptop with sd card, but we are different.

It seems you didn't read carefully enough my comment, IT professionals and scientists don't care about Adobe Premiere (I don't even know wtf it's good for), but our problems are not games. And please stop this Apple ******** where you restrict professionals to graphic designers and wannabe youtubers.
 
And I am not sure why they did build a "Pro" laptop with sd card, but we are different.

It seems you didn't read carefully enough my comment, IT professionals and scientists don't care about Adobe Premiere (I don't even know wtf it's good for), but our problems are not games. And please stop this Apple ******** where you restrict professionals to graphic designers and wannabe youtubers.
For ML and scientists, the high-bandwidth found in TB4/USB4 is far better than a USB-A port. USB4 is backwards compatible with all the old versions of USB. There's really no point for USB-A, and I'm glad they didn't at least go there potentially jeopardizing another TB4/USB4 port.

CFExpress makes more sense for such professionals because time is money making the SD card slot that might not even be UHS-II-fase even more archaic in functionality.

It should have been configurable to go with CFExpress or SD card because a lot of pros once they go with the former aggressively transition off the latter. Some professionals may have legacy Video equipment anchoring them to SD cards where it might be useful to stick with SD Slot for 3 more years to do away with it for good in their workflow by then.
 
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It works at full hd at the screenshot provided.
Here is another. I am finding a lot of people saying it works. I don't have a 120hz monitor to test with, otherwise I would just try it :p


And even a video of someone showing them doing it.....unless they are completely spoofing the video...

 
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Not exactly 'Pro' if they do not use the latest technology. There is no excuse to use HDMI 2.0 on a 'Pro' machine, it should have been the latest 2.1 and then it could earn the tag of 'Pro'.
 
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And I am not sure why they did build a "Pro" laptop with sd card, but we are different.

It seems you didn't read carefully enough my comment, IT professionals and scientists don't care about Adobe Premiere (I don't even know wtf it's good for), but our problems are not games. And please stop this Apple ******** where you restrict professionals to graphic designers and wannabe youtubers.

Yeah, the SD card is a waste for sure! Get rid of the HDMI and SD card reader and give me another TB port please!!

I mean you are totally ok having your opinion, but it seems odd to me. Apple didn't just make the MB Air and the $6,100 MB PRo. They also made the MacBook Pro 13" which had more horsepower and display options than the Air, it is a bit more expensive than the Air. But that isn't a good "gap" option? They also now make a 14" MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro chip in it that is even better and is a bit more money than the 13" MB Pro. But that isn't a good "gap" option? Then they make the 14" or 16" in the M1 Max. I guess I just see it as they give a fairly decent amount of options (more than Apple has historically given) and yet you are comparing the bottom and top and saying there is too big of a gap. That just seems odd. There are pricing options at.... 899/1149/1199/1399/1579/1849/2299/2839/3019

That is at most, what a 20% price increase per bump? Can you have all the bells and whistles without paying for it? No. Is there a huge capability gap, yes, but only if you ignore all the options in-between.

If you are a PROFESSIONAL then it would seem to make sense to invest in your profession and get the right tools. Never a bad strategy. Tools like a laptop help certain professionals (graphic/video people or not) do their job efficiently and effectively. Heck, in some cases you can't do it at all without enough horsepower. I would imagine some scientists just can't perform certain evaluations due to lack of computing power.

Vehicle mechanics can buy tools at Home Depot or Harbor Freight but it is not the smartest idea. If they are serious about being a professional they get the right tools (MAC/OTC/SNAP/etc...) to do the job right. Can't remember the last time I heard someone successful in their trade say how they were happy they cheaped out on the tools of their trade.

If anyone is not using it for professional work, then as I stated before, the Air and MB Pro 13" are WAY more than capable machines for any task other than gaming.
 
Not exactly 'Pro' if they do not use the latest technology. There is no excuse to use HDMI 2.0 on a 'Pro' machine, it should have been the latest 2.1 and then it could earn the tag of 'Pro'.

So many things here. No excuse? Please read the myriad of comments talking about bandwidth limitations for the explanation on how that is incorrect.

Why are you associating "Pro" with 2.1? What professional workflow needs this? As many people here have stated, it is actually less ideal for a "Pro" to loose a TB port than to have to carry around a few dongles. "Pros" aren't going to use the SD card reader because it is too slow. "Pro's" aren't going to connect their high end display using HDMI. Best case the HDMI port helps to not have to carry a dongle when needing to present somewhere. Big whoop, I would rather have the TB port for the other 90% of the time when I need the extra connection since Apple doesn't make a dock.
 
The bandwidth issue is just an excuse Apple fans are coming up with to try and justify the use of HDMI 2.0 instead of 2.1.

If a company is selling a 'Pro' model of something then that 'Pro' model should come with the latest and greatest of hardware, hence why the 'Pro' (Professional) tag. If it doesn't then remove the 'Pro' tag because 'Pro' it is not.
 
Don’t know about MBP but there is no way to get 120hz out of m1 mini which is sad.
My M1 mini is running fine through HDMI @144Hz but only at 2560x1440 (1440p) which is the max for HDMI 2.0. Actually I like the in my eyes more stable picture.

Since both Mac mini's and MacBook Pro's are not targeted at gaming, while Apple TV is, 120Hz makes more sense for Apple TV hence the HDMI 2.1. Apple's way of thinking: although technically possible, but if there is no need, don't implement it! KISS keep it stupid simple (or was it: simple, stupid?)
 
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Yes, HDMI may be "only" 2.0 but 4K @60Hz is still more than good to run presentations or watch movies without any dongle hassle, as pretty much all projectors and TVs by now have at least an HDMI port available. It became a de-facto standard over the last 10 years, unlike USB-C which still struggles around.

In general, I will always prefer 3x USB + HDMI + SDXC + Magsafe = 6 ports, over just 4x USB.

There will be always people whining and complaining, of course. For those who really need a sh*tload of USB-C ports simultaneously, well, get a dongle. That's what we had to deal with since 2016.

Sure we lost that flexibility on the fourth TB port, but how many people realistically needs all 4 TB ports at once? On the other hand, the number of people who can finally go without an adapter if only the MacBook had HDMI and SD card reader is massive. I'd say this is a net increase in flexibility, not the other way around
100% true. Who ever needs 4 TB ports on the same time, especially on the road? Maybe 1% of all users. And for home, you can use a dock anyway. So no need for 4 or even 6 identical ports + dongle madness.

On a side note, this is a good example of "you get what you ask for". Instead of having the fourth TB4 port and the flexibility to do what we want with it, the dongle-haters have prevailed and now we lose the flexibility. SMDH.
Again, you are the minority. For most people, that magic "flexibility" resulted in dongle hell. Most TVs don't have an USB-C port, neither have projectors or conference rooms. Forgot your dongle? Game over. Chances to find/get an HDMI cable? Much higher. Need for 120Hz or 8K nonsense in those situations? Zero. So stop bitching around.
 
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Here is another. I am finding a lot of people saying it works. I don't have a 120hz monitor to test with, otherwise I would just try it :p


And even a video of someone showing them doing it.....unless they are completely spoofing the video...

The 38WK95C-W has a max panel refresh rate of 75Hz native, so no way you can run it at 144Hz at 4K.
 
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The 38WK95C-W has a max panel refresh rate of 75Hz native, so no way you can run it at 144Hz at 4K.
You looked up the wrong monitor. The WK95 maybe not but the WN95 does….From the MFG website:


KEY FEATURES

  • 38" Curved UltraWide QHD+ (3840 x 1600) Nano IPS Display
  • DCI-P3 98% Color Gamut and VESA DisplayHDR 600
  • Thunderbolt™ 3 Connectivity with 94W PD
  • IPS 1ms (GtG) 144Hz Refresh Rate
  • NVIDIA® G-SYNC® Compatible
  • AMD FreeSync™ Premium Pro
 
You looked up the wrong monitor. The WK95 maybe not but the WN95 does….From the MFG website:


KEY FEATURES

  • 38" Curved UltraWide QHD+ (3840 x 1600) Nano IPS Display
  • DCI-P3 98% Color Gamut and VESA DisplayHDR 600
  • Thunderbolt™ 3 Connectivity with 94W PD
  • IPS 1ms (GtG) 144Hz Refresh Rate
  • NVIDIA® G-SYNC® Compatible
  • AMD FreeSync™ Premium Pro
yes I see now, WK vs WN... excuse. So through thunderbolt or USB-C you could bypass the HDMI 2.0 limitation -cool.
 
I was hunting for HDMI 2.1 and disappointed not to see it. HDMI 2.1 seems to have struggled for widespread adoption - it's been around for a few years now and yet HDMI 2.0 is still (sadly) the standard port you see on new kit.

I still appreciate an HDMI port for convenience though. With Magsafe doing the charging, you have three remaining TB ports. Doesn't seem very different to the old world in which you used one TB port for charging with three left over for peripherals.

I actually would have liked a single USB-A port, as most USB memory sticks and mouse dongles are still resolutely USB-A. I miss being able to add a tiny USB memory stick as a semi-permanent extra storage option.

EDIT: actually you could use the SD Card slot for semi-permanent storage, so scratch that as a benefit of a USB-A port
 
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How many whiners... you have 3 Thunderbolt 4, just use these if you have high-end display or you can achieve that with a small adapter. You have already better connection than HDMI 2.1.
 
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Apple is backing USB-C as a monitor connection for now.

I'm guessing their market research showed not having an HDMI port on board was a complaint for many customers who need to quickly plug in to give a presentation at a client location (I have to carry a range of adapters with me in hopes I can connect to whatever tech is in the conference room when I present.) But they didnt want to support the high-end variant and thereby discourage high end monitor manufacturers from including a USBC.

I do also think that the same rationale to include a legacy HDMI port would apply to a legacy USB-A port.
 
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