The rumor I heard was about 13" LED displays on order. I must have missed the other one about 15s.
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New MacBook Pro's on Tuesday, June 5th 2007?
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Mr Fusion
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I am a bit surprised by the positive feedback for this article. An update before WWDC almost certainly means no major changes, at least none of the nifty rumored things like LED screens and stronger, thinner redesigned casing. I really really hope this one is bogus!
If it is true I will opt for a MacBook and iPhone to compliment it. 🙂
If it is true I will opt for a MacBook and iPhone to compliment it. 🙂
zioxide
macrumors 603
The only way you're going to get more ram is if they go to Santa Rosa, because Napa is 32-bit and can only do 3.2 gigs
If there is an update, I believe wholeheartedly it is just going to be along the same lines that every other notebook manufactured has updated.
Santa Rosa and probably a bigger hard drive. LED won't happen, and neither will a case redesign or removable HD or anything of the sort. The graphics card may be the real variable, but even that with others still shipping x1400, the x1600 might still seem standard.
I just think everyone is getting their hopes up for an evolution, when all it will be is an update.
Santa Rosa and probably a bigger hard drive. LED won't happen, and neither will a case redesign or removable HD or anything of the sort. The graphics card may be the real variable, but even that with others still shipping x1400, the x1600 might still seem standard.
I just think everyone is getting their hopes up for an evolution, when all it will be is an update.
hvfsl
macrumors 68000
My second PowerBook was the G4 550Mhz. It was announced without a special event and has quite a jump over the previous gen in many areas.
For example, the old max was 500Mhz and a Rage 128. My laptop had a 550Mhz cpu and Radeon 7000M (it was the lowend version).
The only thing we can say for pretty much certain is that there won't be a case redesign. Apple has changed the LCD in it's laptops on a number of occasions without events (like when they increased the res etc). Plus they did just order a load of LED displays.
Mac computers a joke or not!
If Apple releases a new Intel MacPro that does not have the Santa Rosa chip, then they are sayin that their protables are really only second rate with a higher than first rate price tag. We will soon see how secure we are in Apple still having computer in their newly named corporate inage.
Bill the TaxMan
If Apple releases a new Intel MacPro that does not have the Santa Rosa chip, then they are sayin that their protables are really only second rate with a higher than first rate price tag. We will soon see how secure we are in Apple still having computer in their newly named corporate inage.
Bill the TaxMan
Because ThinkSecret reported Apple having ordered 100,000 LED displays, some of you guys are counting on them in Macbook Pros this month? How accurate do you suppose that report is?
I might count on LED displays being in some Apple portables sometime this year, based on what Steve Jobs said in his letter about a "greener Apple."
If it's gonna happen this month, I'd bet it will be in a whole new computer (13" MBP) not a speed bumped four year old dinosaur. (That's a bit harsh, I know.) 🙂
I might count on LED displays being in some Apple portables sometime this year, based on what Steve Jobs said in his letter about a "greener Apple."
If it's gonna happen this month, I'd bet it will be in a whole new computer (13" MBP) not a speed bumped four year old dinosaur. (That's a bit harsh, I know.) 🙂
People keep saying that if the MBP is going to have a major update, it has to be released at WWDC... and that if it gets released on the 5th, it will be a minor speed bump... well, wouldn't it make sense (for marketing material reasons) to release it on the 5th for the back-to-school promo, and then at WWDC they can still talk about all the recently released features? I mean, why can't they talk about all the nifty changes and say 'which we introduced last week' instead of 'which we are introducing today'... it sounds like they already have much more 'important' and 'exciting' iphone/leopard stuff to blow everyone away with at WWDC.
If Apple has a slick new MacBook Pro lineup ready next week, Steve is going to wait until the 11th so he can wow the crowd with it. That's all there is to it. If it's just a so so update, he wouldn't want to brag about it so it might happen before the event, or quietly during the event.
I don't think there will be hardly any discussion of iPhone at WWDC. Rather, there will be a special event for that later in the month.
IMO, the WWDC keynote is going to be about Leopard, mostly. There might be a new piece of hardware introduced at the keynote, but I'm not counting on it. As I've already said in earlier posts, my bet would be on a 13" MBP but that's just because it's what I want to see, not because I think I really know.
The X1600 is pretty outdated, especially considering PC laptop companies are offering new generation mobile GPUs for cheaper than Apple's current offerings. You say it's standard, but that's the thing about the MBP; it's not a standard notebook. A new video card is a necessity if Apple wants to remain competitive. Santa Rosa is also pretty much a given; they'd be crazy not to offer it considering they really couldn't offer anything new without it (that is as far as core performance goes).
It's about time the MBP got a hefty, substantial update. It wouldn't make since to offer another 'speed bump' like the last one.
As far as LED screens go, I think it's definitely a possibility (more likely if the update is announced at WWDC, but certainly not impossible if it is announced Tuesday).
So how is Steve? I mean, you must hang around with him all the time to have such in-depth knowledge of his inner thoughts about product releases. . . 😉
Mr Fusion
macrumors 6502a
I agree. And calling the MBP a four year old dinosaur is not harsh. A new case is overdue and an LED screen and upcoming Leopard release is a great time to change things... at WWDC. 🙂
I don't quite understand the significance of this "back to school" promo, is there a precedence for releasing product updates on this date? 😕
Erasmus
macrumors 68030
Just in case this isn't a joke, and you really believe this...
I'm almost certain that Napa is 64 bit, it just can't recognise more than 4GB total ramstuffs, that's just how it was designed.
And even if it is 32 bit, that doesn't mean it's limited to 3.2 GB. The two numbers have no correlation... It means like I said before, it's limited to 4 GB total ramstuffs, including I/O stuffs and VRAM. So 3 + a little bit is still less than 4, but 4+ a little bit is of course greater than four. Unless someone invents Negative RAM.
He's good. He said to say hi to scrambledwonder next time I was on the boards, so hi! 😀
Having watched a dozen or so of Jobs keynote speeches, I know he doesn't talk much about minimal hardware updates. I've never believed Apple attempts to schedule hardware releases around special events such as Macworld or WWDC. But if there's really cool stuff ready for release and it's only a week or two before an event, they'll wait, so Steve can show it off. If it's not so impressive, they don't wait.
And doesn't everyone here pretend to have in-depth knowledge? 😉
Any thoughts on this?
Wife has 15" g4/800 PB. Almost bought 17" C2D 2.33 macbook pro off EDU refurb list a couple of months ago, but decided to stick it out.
Question is, does anyone have a flavor for what (hopefully additional) price drops I might get on an (out of date, if they DO announce new macbook pros) model after the update? I know I won't have the latest & greatest, but I reckon the change from old to (nearly) new would be appreciable, and if I could save $400 - $500...?
Wife has 15" g4/800 PB. Almost bought 17" C2D 2.33 macbook pro off EDU refurb list a couple of months ago, but decided to stick it out.
Question is, does anyone have a flavor for what (hopefully additional) price drops I might get on an (out of date, if they DO announce new macbook pros) model after the update? I know I won't have the latest & greatest, but I reckon the change from old to (nearly) new would be appreciable, and if I could save $400 - $500...?
iTim314
macrumors 6502
See that's what I'm wanting to know.
We ordered a MBP Tuesday (May 29th) because we HAD to have it no later than June 7th, Thursday. So we went ahead and ordered it.
Now this comes along, we're wondering if we're gonna get an updated one, and more importantly, is it still going to get here by the 7th?
EDIT>> We bought it Tuesday, and now it's Friday, and it still hasn't shipped. The Online Store says ships within 24 hours.
Any thoughts?
flowagner
macrumors member
Well, I seem to be one of those waiting for the new MBP aswell since my white MB CD seems a bit outdated right now and I will give it to my sister.
I certainly do think that Apple won't just update the MBP a little, there are several hints to me that this update may be bigger than we expect:
- Since AMD bought ATI and Apple uses Intel processors, I think a change to an Intel optimized Nvidia GPU seems as a logical step to me unless they are planning on including AMD processors which they certainly won't.
- Let's be honest, even Apple knows that 1 GB RAM seems to be okay for a typical MacBook user but not enough for a MacBook Pro user. I think they might bump it to 2 GB and perhaps deliver the big variant with 3 GB because nearly every laptop has 1GB nowadays as a standard and MacBook Pros are just high-end laptops for professional users.
- Why would Apple order 100.000 LED displays if they won't use them. I just cannot imagine they will just have them lying around till they decide to update on those because they could be bought cheaper by then. You only fix an order if you are planning to reselling them in the near future or for testing issues. 100.000 displays are way too many displays to test ... and the fact that they ordered 15.4' displays is a strong hint that we might see LED displays in the upcoming revision and certainly not in a 13.3' MacBook Pro. They simply did not order or even buy any 13.3' LED displays.
- As many of you are waiting for Santa Rosa, I honestly do not really care about Santa Rosa being included. However, I think that Apple needs to higher the gap between the MacBooks and MacBook Pros and so a speed bump seems to be a logical consequence.
- There won't be a new case because the current design of the MacBook Pro is not outdated. Never change a winning team -- never change something that people stick to. Let's face it, could the case be any better designwise? Perhaps they plan on using carbon fiber but I think the design will stay the same for sure. There are simply too many issues to consider with new designs and if the old one works ... there is no problem and thus no need to refresh. So: no new case design, no new material (although that's a point they could consider without redesining from scratch), no removable hdd, no removable graphics card, no magnetic latch.
- 8x SuperDrive for sure if they don't surprise us with a Blu-Ray Writer to make the deal even better (although this seems a bit unrealistic).
My conclusion would be that it just seems logical to update the product cycle. If they don't do it now it will certainly be the next revision but I would bet they use at least the LED displays.
In the past, we could see that the MacBook Pro always gets the new innovations first before they are being applied to the MacBook. When are they planning on introducing the LED displays and Santa Rosa if they will include them in the next MacBook update (i.e. in 4 months or so)?
My guess would be:
+ LED displays
+ Santa Rosa
+ 2 GB Ram
+ 200 GB hard disc
+ 8x SuperDrive
+ some Nvidia GPU
for $1999
seems like an adequate gap between MacBook and MacBook Pro then ...
I certainly do think that Apple won't just update the MBP a little, there are several hints to me that this update may be bigger than we expect:
- Since AMD bought ATI and Apple uses Intel processors, I think a change to an Intel optimized Nvidia GPU seems as a logical step to me unless they are planning on including AMD processors which they certainly won't.
- Let's be honest, even Apple knows that 1 GB RAM seems to be okay for a typical MacBook user but not enough for a MacBook Pro user. I think they might bump it to 2 GB and perhaps deliver the big variant with 3 GB because nearly every laptop has 1GB nowadays as a standard and MacBook Pros are just high-end laptops for professional users.
- Why would Apple order 100.000 LED displays if they won't use them. I just cannot imagine they will just have them lying around till they decide to update on those because they could be bought cheaper by then. You only fix an order if you are planning to reselling them in the near future or for testing issues. 100.000 displays are way too many displays to test ... and the fact that they ordered 15.4' displays is a strong hint that we might see LED displays in the upcoming revision and certainly not in a 13.3' MacBook Pro. They simply did not order or even buy any 13.3' LED displays.
- As many of you are waiting for Santa Rosa, I honestly do not really care about Santa Rosa being included. However, I think that Apple needs to higher the gap between the MacBooks and MacBook Pros and so a speed bump seems to be a logical consequence.
- There won't be a new case because the current design of the MacBook Pro is not outdated. Never change a winning team -- never change something that people stick to. Let's face it, could the case be any better designwise? Perhaps they plan on using carbon fiber but I think the design will stay the same for sure. There are simply too many issues to consider with new designs and if the old one works ... there is no problem and thus no need to refresh. So: no new case design, no new material (although that's a point they could consider without redesining from scratch), no removable hdd, no removable graphics card, no magnetic latch.
- 8x SuperDrive for sure if they don't surprise us with a Blu-Ray Writer to make the deal even better (although this seems a bit unrealistic).
My conclusion would be that it just seems logical to update the product cycle. If they don't do it now it will certainly be the next revision but I would bet they use at least the LED displays.
In the past, we could see that the MacBook Pro always gets the new innovations first before they are being applied to the MacBook. When are they planning on introducing the LED displays and Santa Rosa if they will include them in the next MacBook update (i.e. in 4 months or so)?
My guess would be:
+ LED displays
+ Santa Rosa
+ 2 GB Ram
+ 200 GB hard disc
+ 8x SuperDrive
+ some Nvidia GPU
for $1999
seems like an adequate gap between MacBook and MacBook Pro then ...
iTim314
macrumors 6502
Agreed, except for the 2 GB of Ram. For some reason that just seems like something Apple would do to leave that out, and stick with a gig.
Diatribe
macrumors 601
From AppleInsider on May 11:
"In what's sure to be a warmly received move, people familiar with initiative tell AppleInsider that the Mac maker plans to go easy on our eyesight and is building the model around stunning, ultra-thin, 13-inch LED backlit display.
That's right -- it appears those recent Apple orders for 13-inch LED backlit panels are destined for the firm's ultra-portable initiative and not its impending 13-inch MacBook update."
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Not that I consider AppleInsider's sources to be any better or worse than ThinkSecret's.
In the same article, AppleInsider speculates these 13" notebooks will arrive late 2007 or early 2008. Link
flowagner
macrumors member
sorry, my fault 😀
but the 13.3 ultrathin-mb's does not have anything to do with the updates on the 15.4 mbp anyway so the whole issue does not matter. especially when they ordered 100.000 15.4 displays in april (!) they will come up with something pretty soon and i bet they won't cut them to fit 13.3' notebooks 🙂