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the way this will work is there will be an 8-16gb ssd that os x runs on, Apple won't tell us how much it is, just that the OS runs on it. it wont be configurable, under the laptop specs it won't mention that at all it would just show how much the regular drive is. Apple will try make it not a big deal at all and in theory the consumer won't even know os x is on another drive, they will just notice the increase in performance.

users will get to select how big there main drive is, 320, 500, etc. or they could select a 256 or 512gb ssd as their main drive.

the 8-16gb ssd that OSX is on will be like the 8gb ssd the apple tv has, in other words apple will pretend it doesn't exist

Sounds a lot more like it.

Until Flash storage comes down in price, apple won't replace hard drives. The traditional hard drives are a lot more noisy and generate more heats.

I am going to see what this update brings, but I don't have my hopes up that apple will go 100% flash for storage.

I am waiting for apple to go all flash for storage.

For me, I need 256GB SSD or 512 SSD. That's all I need. Make it happen, apple.
 
What? Fry your motherboard? What pipe have you been smoking? I would say serious designers probly want a SSD to speed things up. Someone please prove me wrong.


I own a photography studio /design studio and I am in my third year of school. I don't have a mac right now but in the past 3 years I have had a few macbooks and macbook pros. I installed x-25m ssd drives on two of them and never had any problems for the year that I used them.

By far the absolute best investment you can make to upgrade an already awesome machine. Adobe loaded in seconds, images swaps that were hundreds of megs big were thrown around like nothing. I could start Indesign, Photoshop, and Lightroom in like 10 seconds flat or less. I loved having an SSD in my machine for design. Made life e a s y.

I would like to think I put the drive through its paces too. I am in Adobe CS5 Master like every day. Great upgrade for designers and photographers alike. Just like anything, back up your files to a backup drive. When one or the other fails, replace it.

That 225$ I spent on that SSD was well spent when I bought it. I am considering putting an SSD into my Windows7 rig I built last month.

Anyways, just my two cents on the matter. The x25m was a great drive, I miss it. As far as I know one of them at least is still going strong in my nephew's Macbook (sold one of my MBs to him).
 
But you can buy something off of iTunes and upload it on up to 3 other computers am I right? So say I do that, to my family, and then they burn a copy of what's rightfully theirs? Huh? With iTunes you can make copy's but not with a CD? There isn't a Yes/No answer to this situation...it's complicated.

Your Apple ID can be Authorized on multiple computers, but the intended use for that is so you can listen to your DRMed music on all the systems that you own or control.

The only "rightful" owner of the iTunes license is the user that owns the apple ID used to download it, The only rightful owner of a CD is the one in possession of it. Once you give up possession, your fair use "backups" no longer count as fair use and become a copyright violation.

Now, to be honest, for the most part I am playing devils advocate… I think the RIAA and MPAA are a joke, but I also believe that artists should get what they deserve.

Now, back to the mac!
 
Listen i want all these crazy features just like the next guy. This will be my first osx machine ever, (13" MBP). But if there are already machines shipped out i have doubts of media event, and doubts of any crazy redesign.

I'm still hopeful for
higher res screen - same one off MBA (seems to be less reflective yet still glossy)
core i3 or i5 chip
ssd/hybrid drive.

If it has those items i would be very pleased.:apple:
 
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Even if there so much evidence this won't happen, admit it... your hoping that it's true.

What I am hoping is:

1. Remove optical drive.
2. Build-in 256GB SSD.
3. Keep the internal HDD bay, PRO users can throw in any HD they like.

This is my wish and I think this is the only logic way to keep MacBook Pro respected.:)
 
What I am hoping is:

1. Remove optical drive.
2. Build-in 256GB SSD.
3. Keep the internal HDD bay, PRO users can throw in any HD they like.

This is my wish and I think this is the only logic way to keep MacBook Pro respected.:)

Your item 1 only costs respect.
 
Not sure if someone already said this but . . .

I doubt apple will go liquid metal on the macbook pros because they will probably go LM in the macbook air first.

I think that Light Peak is much more probably than LM in this upcoming release.
 
What I am hoping is:

1. Remove optical drive.
2. Build-in 256GB SSD.
3. Keep the internal HDD bay, PRO users can throw in any HD they like.

This is my wish and I think this is the only logic way to keep MacBook Pro respected.:)

All good... but removing the optical drive would be really bad. I would not buy a MBP without an optical drive... I think. :D
 
I don't see the problem. Get the smallest HD option, take it out and replace it with sandforce. The 16GB won't hurt you - you wouldn't have to use it(unless it's locked into the caching mode some people have suggested).

Unless the os is installed on it and there is no option to install it on the regular ssd instead...:rolleyes:
 
Unless the os is installed on it and there is no option to install it on the regular ssd instead...:rolleyes:

OS X generally permits you to install the OS on and boot from any drive you'd like. Plus I'm sure any SSD would be socketed and could be removed.
 
OS X generally permits you to install the OS on and boot from any drive you'd like. Plus I'm sure any SSD would be socketed and could be removed.

What makes you so sure it will be removable or that it's use will not be integral part of efi and how the mbp works?
 
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With Toshiba's new 1.8" 250gb drive and a
SSD drive for osx to boot from could
this not be a speed / weight advantage
Apple has be looking for?
 
Yeah, just like MP4's were supposed to wipe out MP3's, right? :p
I don't understand how people don't use these more often.
I make a lot of copies of CD's for my family (why have my 2 brothers buy an album each when I can and burn 2 copies for them?) and watch a lot of Dvd's on the go.

So from that article it's saying there won't be a drive for Cd's/Dvd's?
(I can't really tell because I'm not great with all the SSD/HDD/etc. lingo)

Consider yourself a part of the minority that still really need optical medias.
Even my father, a 57 years old man, doesn't use CDs/DVDs anymore. To be honest, he only uses DVDs to watch movies on his TV, but even that is a rare situation (since we've got HD cable channels).

I know many people need them, like you, but removing the optical device from laptops only brings positive results, like bigger battery, dedicated graphics chip, another hard drive (like this SSD + HD rumor), among a lot of other things.

They could just make cheaper external DVD drive and sell them for, let's say, 40 dollars. That way you'd have an unique optical media reader/writter for every computer in your home, while all those computers are using that space for something better than a DVD drive.
 
Honestly I don't see any reason why couple of insults and offensive behaviour from some people should start a flamewar. If you don't like macs, or you are not fans of apple or not expecting MBP 2011...why in god's name have you come here in the first place? This is something I will never get. This site is called MACrumors... now grow up...and if you have nothing to add to this discussion close to the topic...then simply don't.

+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 :apple:

I also don't get it... If they don't like it they should at least respect the people who do... Everyone is entitled to their opinion but there's no need to get offensive... :apple:
 
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With Toshiba's new 1.8" 250gb drive and a
SSD drive for osx to boot from could
this not be a speed / weight advantage
Apple has be looking for?

What would a slow small in size 1.8" drive give in a regular size laptop as a gain? Maybe in the 13" and eve there...
 
What makes you so sure it will be removable or that it's use will not be integral part of efi and how the mbp works?

Because Apple's engineers aren't that lame. If they do it, it will be a socketed blade, just like in the MBA. And they'd likely take advantage of OS X capabilities that already exist rather than spending a lot of engineering time to make things worse.
 
Because Apple's engineers aren't that lame. If they do it, it will be a socketed blade, just like in the MBA. And they'd likely take advantage of OS X capabilities that already exist rather than spending a lot of engineering time to make things worse.

The diff is that they can make sure in the mba that your only drive is an ssd but in the regular laptops it would make sense from a uniformity point of view to provide all with a cheap 8-16gb flash and regular plater drives probably at 750 or 1tb that way they can bull... the consumers with the amazing boot speed and large storage they have, and for the average joe it will be true.
 
All good... but removing the optical drive would be really bad. I would not buy a MBP without an optical drive... I think. :D

The new MacBook Air is so good that apple had to remove the backlight keyboard to keep MacBook Pro competitive. The new MacBook Pro need to have 128/256GB SSD to compete with MacBook Air. Optical drive must go to save some weight.
 
If they are doing something like how the Momentus works, they would use their own chip to interface to SATA and use only one port. The chip would add its own port to talk to the HD. This would allow the chip to intercept the SATA commands/data and make it look to the system as if there is a single disk.

If one chip is talking to 2 different DD and the CPU through 1 Sata port channel, would this serve to negate the speed advantage of using a SDD? i.e. would the chip become the bottleneck?
 
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I really don't think this will be a complete new redsign of the MacBook line. It will be more of a spec upgrade.
 
The diff is that they can make sure in the mba that your only drive is an ssd but in the regular laptops it would make sense from a uniformity point of view to provide all with a cheap 8-16gb flash and regular plater drives probably at 750 or 1tb that way they can bull... the consumers with the amazing boot speed and large storage they have, and for the average joe it will be true.

Remember that the rumor actually says you can opt for a single, large, SSD. So they make them all the same in that you can either have the blade or not.
 
If one chip is talking to 2 different DD and the CPU through 1 Sata port channel, would this serve to negate the speed advantage of using a SDD? i.e. would the chip become the bottleneck?

No, so long as the SSD hit rate is high enough. This is how cache memory works - the CPU reads everything through the cache. The cache fetches in data when necessary.
 
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