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New Magic Keyboard/Trackpad/Mouse

You should get a second click, nothing at all like 3D Touch. That is not how force touch on the trackpad works. It is just a second deeper feeling click....not the vibration of 3D Touch. The MacBook works the same way. Just a deeper click
 
gordon1234 said:
I'm definitely in the same boat. It feels like we're moving toward a trackpad being almost mandatory for OS X with the gesture and pressure-based features getting more numerous all the time.

That said, I've never gotten used to a trackpad as my primary input device. It just never seems as precise or as fast to navigate with as a mouse, especially on a big screen (I use a Logitech Performance Mouse MX, currently, although I'm also a big fan of the M570 trackball)
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Or the Magic Mouse 3 with force/3D touch.
 
Rant: What the heck is Apple's problem with not providing backlit keyboards? I am not kidding, this is an indication that an entire TEAM is asleep at the wheel. PATHETIC.
 
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the8thark said:
Or the Magic Mouse 3 with force/3D touch.
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Indeed. Unfortunately, one thing that has remained remarkably consistent in the 25 years I've been using Apple computers, is that Apple has never made a mouse that I liked using.

Actually, I suspect the days of the mouse being the default peripheral for desktop Macs are numbered. The available surface area on a mouse is just too small to be a first-class touch gesture area, especially compared to the truly massive area on the Magic Trackpad.
 
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Cape Dave said:
Rant: What the heck is Apple's problem with not providing backlit keyboards? I am not kidding, this is an indication that an entire TEAM is asleep at the wheel. PATHETIC.
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Why must it always be like this? Apple doesn't implement someone's pet feature and it's the END OF THE WORLD. Apple is incompetent, Apple is doomed, this never would have happened when Steve was around, etc. it's all a bit melodramatic.
 
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gordon1234 said:
Why must it always be like this? Apple doesn't implement someone's pet feature and it's the END OF THE WORLD. Apple is incompetent, Apple is doomed, this never would have happened when Steve was around, etc. it's all a bit melodramatic.
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Wrong. My rant is not like the others. I am right. Ask anyone. Many people use the computer in a darkened room, a backlit keyboard is a much better typing experience. Or, for those who disagree, they can turn off the light. You really need to objectively admit that for the price, the keyboards should be backlit.

I was not in the Mac world when Steve was around so I would not know about that.
 
Cape Dave said:
Wrong. My rant is not like the others. I am right.
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Man, I bet you're a LOT of fun in arguments.

It's not even about whether it's a good idea or not – it's the attitude. For instance, I can only type comfortably on a split keyboard, and I would love it if Apple would make one, but I don't go around insisting that Apple is "asleep at the wheel" or "pathetic" just because they don't cater to my every whim. It's weird and unnecessary and lowers the civility of discourse.
 
gordon1234 said:
Man, I bet you're a LOT of fun in arguments.

It's not even about whether it's a good idea or not – it's the attitude. For instance, I can only type comfortably on a split keyboard, and I would love it if Apple would make one, but I don't go around insisting that Apple is "asleep at the wheel" or "pathetic" just because they don't cater to my every whim. It's weird and unnecessary and lowers the civility of discourse.
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Admittedly, I am a little bored on a Saturday night. But my point is still valid. I also would like a split keyboard. In my mind pretty much all keyboards are archaic design. (I think Lenovo does it best with at least some of their keyboards.) But I really do think that asking for and getting a backlit keyboard in 2015 is really not a lot to ask by any standards. I mean, we are the customers and speaking up and out is what we do on this forum.

I will need to look at any third party backlit keyboard. And one thing for sure, Apple cannot be happy about that. They want all the sales from me they can possibly get.

Also, if you look at my history on this Forum, you will see that I am like in the bottom .001% of fanatics. Yes, I may have a strong opinion here and there, but no multi page rants/trolls/etc.

That said, do not even get me started on all the "should I get an SSD or a spinner" questions on this forum. They really should no longer be allowed. SSD all the way baby! Apple could do a lot more for us and to "move the ball downfield" by making a 256 SSD standard.

Apple presents themselves as a premium brand. I expect to get something more than just a name for my money. In this instance, a backlit keyboard is really not too much to ask and hope for. What, maybe $5 worth of LED's? Probably more like $3.

I mean really, a redesign and lightening connector really does not give any more value than was already there. Backlit would be something new.
 
Cape Dave said:
Admittedly, I am a little bored on a Saturday night. But my point is still valid. I also would like a split keyboard. In my mind pretty much all keyboards are archaic design. (I think Lenovo does it best with at least some of their keyboards.) But I really do think that asking for and getting a backlit keyboard in 2015 is really not a lot to ask by any standards. I mean, we are the customers and speaking up and out is what we do on this forum.

I will need to look at any third party backlit keyboard. And one thing for sure, Apple cannot be happy about that. They want all the sales from me they can possibly get.

Also, if you look at my history on this Forum, you will see that I am like in the bottom .001% of fanatics. Yes, I may have a strong opinion here and there, but no multi page rants/trolls/etc.

That said, do not even get me started on all the "should I get an SSD or a spinner" questions on this forum. They really should no longer be allowed. SSD all the way baby! Apple could do a lot more for us and to "move the ball downfield" by making a 256 SSD standard.

Apple presents themselves as a premium brand. I expect to get something more than just a name for my money. In this instance, a backlit keyboard is really not too much to ask and hope for. What, maybe $5 worth of LED's? Probably more like $3.

I mean really, a redesign and lightening connector really does not give any more value than was already there. Backlit would be something new.
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I'm actually curious what the main use case for these is. I never look at my keyboard. My MacBook Pro has a backlit keyboard, but I never turn on the backlight since it doesn't always turn off automatically, regardless of the settings (for instance, with Netflix or Amazon Prime video it seems to stay on forever)

I'm assuming most people here are home row touch typists - you have the orienting nubs on the F and the J like every other keyboard so you shouldn't need the backlight to get in the right position. Even if you never learned "proper" typing, I'm assuming anyone who spends a lot of time on a computer will at least have developed muscle memory for where all the keys are.
 
gordon1234 said:
I'm actually curious what the main use case for these is. I never look at my keyboard. My MacBook Pro has a backlit keyboard, but I never turn on the backlight since it doesn't always turn off automatically, regardless of the settings (for instance, with Netflix or Amazon Prime video it seems to stay on forever)

I'm assuming most people here are home row touch typists - you have the orienting nubs on the F and the J like every other keyboard so you shouldn't need the backlight to get in the right position. Even if you never learned "proper" typing, I'm assuming anyone who spends a lot of time on a computer will at least have developed muscle memory for where all the keys are.
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It is actually hard to explain as I only had a backlit keyboard for awhile. When I had Windows. It was a Logitech. I hated the keyboard itself (well not the keyboard itself but the key travel/feel, etc.), but fell in love with the backlit aspect. I work at night in a semi lit room and having the gentle light from the key really helped me.

I am as far from a touch typist as one can be. To me it seems like electric windows in a car. Any car one buys should have them. I think Apple could do a really great job on a keyboard of they really tried.

I just bought their now old, wireless keyboard. It really could use a split feature, and sculpted keys, like the Lenovo has.

As soon as one puts their hands on this keyboard, they are in an ergonomically incorrect position. As I get older, I am more sensitive to this.

Another observation, I guess Apple thinks no one will use their Numbers app. Because they took away the num pad. Good thing I am not an Excel jockey. Not with this keyboard, that is for sure. It seems a company of Apple's size should be able to have a well designed, backlit ergonomically correct keyboard that is full sized.

It is simply my intention to voice my opinion. Maybe someday someone at Apple will get smart and read this forum to see what people really want and then they will make it and sell it to us.

I am not trying to make this into the multi paged thread that was... well, almost any given thread in this forum, but I shall use the Mac mini minus the 4 cores as the example here. Even I was shocked at the hatred of Apple over that one. Ouch!

If I worked at Apple and read that thread I would have made them fix that mistake. And of course charged a few hundred more for the 4 cores so all parties would be happy 🙂

By far the best keyboard Apple has out now is the one on the rMB. And it is backlit! That thing is awesome! I would pay $200 for a full sized wireless version of that. $250 if it was split!
 
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I have to agree with all the complaints about Apple not putting out a backlit keyboard, but the thing is that there's literally no one else on the market making keyboards with the same build quality or typing experience, so we kind of have to take what we can get or settle for an (in my opinion far more) inferior typing experience in exchange for a backlight and numpad. And no, I don't want a mechanical keyboard. They're huge, ugly, and noisy.

I bought the new magic keyboard yeterday and the typing really is significantly better than before, by far the best and fastest keyboard to type on I've ever used. A full-size backlit keyboard with these keys would be a dream come true, but I don't think it'll ever happen.
 
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Even Longer said:
Yes, I mean the new retina Macbook 12" keyboard. I did try it out several times, but didn't like it at all. While the new Magic Keyboard seems to have similar butterfly key mechanics, the it has more key travel than retina MacBook's and overall feels much better (to me).
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The keyboard by far. Best keyboard I've ever used, my WPM even went up by 10. The shallower keys and spacing (which does take getting used to) makes typing a lot nicer, and the keys even feel a bit better when playing video games and stuff.

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Anyone know if the new Magic Keyboard will work with a PC w/BT 4.0? My current Apple Wired Keyboard works fine with my PC.
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I'm using it on Windows 10, made the switch from the same Apple Wired Keyboard and it works fine with my BT dongle. The program for reprograming keys made for the previous gen wireless keyboard also still works, aside from the function and eject key. I changed F12 to delete so that ctrl + alt + del works.
 
Sinjun said:
The keyboard by far. Best keyboard I've ever used, my WPM even went up by 10. The shallower keys and spacing (which does take getting used to) makes typing a lot nicer, and the keys even feel a bit better when playing video games and stuff.



I'm using it on Windows 10, made the switch from the same Apple Wired Keyboard and it works fine with my BT dongle. The program for reprograming keys made for the previous gen wireless keyboard also still works, aside from the function and eject key. I changed F12 to delete so that ctrl + alt + del works.
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Yes, magic keyboard is a blast. After couple of days using it, I totally agree - best keyboard I've owned so far, in terms of typing speed and feel.

It is difficult to desribe, but personally I highly recommend it to anyone, especially to the users of previous gen. Apple wireless keyboard.
 
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Even Longer said:
Yes, magic keyboard is a blast. After couple of days using it, I totally agree - best keyboard I've owned so far, in terms of typing speed and feel.

It is difficult to desribe, but personally I highly recommend it to anyone, especially to the users of previous gen. Apple wireless keyboard.
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Yeah, I was and am definitely going to try that at the store. I had a feeling that it might be clearly better. Still, nowhere near as good as the MacBook I am guessing 🙁
 
chabig said:
I think Apple doesn't expect that desktop keyboards are used in the dark as much as laptops might be.
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chabig, it has never been only a desktop keyboard. Many used/use the :apple: Keyboard with iPads, Tablets and phones. I don't have an iMac, but I have the BT Keyboard for this particular purpose. To be honest with you, for me the lack of backlight is a deal-breaker, so there is no any sense - in my case - to "upgrade".
 
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Cape Dave said:
Wrong. My rant is not like the others. I am right. Ask anyone. Many people use the computer in a darkened room, a backlit keyboard is a much better typing experience. Or, for those who disagree, they can turn off the light. You really need to objectively admit that for the price, the keyboards should be backlit.

I was not in the Mac world when Steve was around so I would not know about that.
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Well, I'm glad we cleared that up. 🙄 By the way, I'm anyone, and you're not right.

Cape Dave said:
But my point is still valid.
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Actually, it's not. It's irremediably, irrefutably and indisputably invalid. 😉
 
Sinjun said:
I'm using it on Windows 10, made the switch from the same Apple Wired Keyboard and it works fine with my BT dongle. The program for reprograming keys made for the previous gen wireless keyboard also still works, aside from the function and eject key. I changed F12 to delete so that ctrl + alt + del works.
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Are you using SharpKeys? Which software is best for remapping on Win 10? Not only do I need ctrl + alt + del but I will need shift + insert.

Thanks!
 
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