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except of course if you game, process data, video and sound editing, etc.
And you realize that they just had their first decline in 15 years also right?
Busy deciding the new colour for the next iPhone.
Believing that the iPad is capable of professional work.
I'm not sure if Tim is even in Cupertino much anymore, he seems to be enjoying trips around the world.
Show me the list of companies that have gone 15 years without a decline. Microsoft? Dell?, Samsung?....nope
Because typically they'll discount the old models and bring in the newer models (which have better specs) at the same price. $100 more may have been passable but $300-400? Yeah, there's a reason why people are upset especially since it doesnt even have the latest tech in there. They are using Skylake instead of KabyLake and I read they are using the old type of RAM instead of newer ones. They are using the inferior AMD instead of Nvidia.....when looking at this stuff, the steep price increase doesnt seem to justify it
The iPad COULD be capable of professional work if they'd just give us a friggin' trackpad! It doesn't need OSX, it just needs an option for a dang pointer. I still do the majority of my work on my MBP because working in Excel and Word with my fingers just flat out sucks. If there was an option to use a trackpad I'd sell my MBP.
How is that relevant? It was in response to your post replying how Apple is stagnating. A decline for the first time in 15 years certainly shows they are.
ok, so what is the company you are comparing it to that is "not stagnating" based on your criteria?
Yes and I never once said that they aren't successful - just that it's no guarantee they will be in to the future - just look at Blackberry - complacency killed them. Apple isn't doomed and will be doing well for hopefully a long time to come - but I think most would agree they aren't going down a great road and have let things stagnate.
None. The issue is that Apple's momentum is slowing down and are stagnating and is shown by their first decline in 15 years. I believe that was the point that was brought up.
Their "slowdown" is in line with the overall slow down in both the mobile and desktop market. I wouldn't be surprised if their next quarter shows substantial growth (driven by new iPhones and Macbooks).
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who said that?
My point was that sometimes people in the Macrumors forum think they know how to run a company better than the people running perhaps the most successful company of all time.
There have been iterations of Wintel laptop that have been done well. Companies usually devote more resources to their high-end machines to ensure the thing stable and fun to use. But you're paying within $500 of a Mac to reach that level of stability. Meanwhile I've never had to reboot my Mac Air 11" due to an OS problem.
Maybe Windows 10 is not like all the others. Maybe it's not only able to run on low rent tech, perhaps it actually runs without crashing. But this is a huge leap of faith for me. My mentality is to spend $1k for every year I expect the laptop to perform. The Mac Air has gone well beyond that. I'd rather blow even an extra $1000 to ride a new MBP for 4 years than go through what Wintel has put me through over the past 5. I'm tired of rebooting. I'm tired of re-opening everything I'm doing because of random machine freezes. I'm tired of "figuring out what's wrong."
I don't know man. It KINDA sounds like you denied having that attitude and then followed it up by having that same attitude again. You know...the attitude you denied having.
This company makes money so they can't be criticized
I didn't say that!
Ok
But you don't know how to run a company better than them.
Why?
Because they make a lot of money?
I could be wrong. But it sounded like that's what you were saying.
But anyway...yes. People can and will criticize them because apple IS capable of making bad choices. It's just a fact of life. They aren't some infallible company just because it's apple.
So what you are saying is that cheap Windows laptop performs poorly?
Who would have thought!
You wouldn't be able to say that about high end laptops like the Dell XPS 13/Dell XPS 15.
I'm telling you where I am in the discussion. Your sarcasm is unwarranted. I assume we're all buying according to our experience -- I'm sharing mine. Buying-by-spec-sheet seems ridiculous to me. As I said, my experience may not be yours. I've gone through 2 windows laptops in the time I've had my Mac Air. They were not cheap laptops. If you've had great experiences with Windows, then it's a no brainer that you get something cheaper with a pretty spec sheet. "Who would have thought?"
I got a MBP 15" mid 2014 i7 2.8Ghz ssd 512GB 16gb. Its more than enough for me. Since it was custom it was so bloody expensive, but now when i look at the new prices i can say now its unbelievably expensive. I think i won't buy a new macbook again, i will just get second hand apple laptops and i hope they won't make the iMacs more expensive than they are. But i also understand why they want to make the prices higher, they want to compete in market share with Microsoft with they're high premium studio line. Have you guys seen that and the prices for a Microsoft device? that's even more breathtaking than this... my honest opinion.
You can do anything you want; but when people question what if anything a company is doing, while that said company is bringing in Billions of dollars;.....it is kind of funny.
In addition you used their financial results as evidence to your point. In that case, I guess according to you, they innovated like crazy the last 15 years (as their finances showed massive growth).
I think that price spike was because Microsoft launched the Surface at $2,400. But this was a really bad move from them since it was an opportunity more of Microsoft customers.
Still kicking around on a 2010 MBP. At the time I wanted something portable and powerful. Now I feel like power on the go isn't such a big thing. I'd be better off with an iMac and a good iPad. I'm not terribly surprised by the price. I feel like I paid a lot of mine six years ago and it was a refurbished option.
Canadian prices are higher yet. But that usually doesn't influence my discussion anyway.
I'm good still with my kit, and won't be upgrading to new for another 3 years. So . . .
I'm good still with my kit, and won't be upgrading to new for another 3 years. So . . .
Microsoft continued to make billions of dollars each year under Balmer even though PC's were dying, they lost their foothold in mobile, and they failed to recognize the incipient dual threat of google and apple. Momentum can take you very far and it is a testament to Jobs that Apple continued to grow without him years after his death, but that doesn't change the fact that their product stack is becoming weaker and weaker. It's great that they are exploiting ignorant hipsters to make money but before knowledge-workers and students were also very happy with Apple products.
That is becoming less and less true with time as they cram pointless design (#thin) at the expense of very real features ...
I would say they have for the most part, which is whey they were experiencing quarter after quarter record breaking sales
I mean you have the ipod, iPhone, iPad, watch, apple tv, iTunes, OS X etc all within the last 15 years
Steve Jobs was the identity of Apple. Amazing products, fair price. Now the products still amazing but the price went crazy. 
I'm sure this won't happened with Steve...
I'm sure this won't happened with Steve...