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cmon now you jest. Every mac fanboy knows as soon as you fire up a PC, M$ automatically downloads malware and viruses, then throttles down the CPU so your computer runs slower and slower and slower until it stops. And in between that they schedule blue screens at random intervals that can only be reset by a certified windows tech at $200 a visit. (note the sarcasism)
Deleware, alaska, new hampshire, montana, and oregon do not have sales tax.
Again, these stupid claims that constant reformatting is needed.
One of my systems hasn't been reformatted since the original clean install in January 1998. I got it with NT 4 SP2. It's had the various NT 4 SPs, Win2K beta, Win2K plus SPs, XP beta, XP plus SPs, and is now at Vista SP1.
*Never* reformatted....
The "Mac Store" in the ad was the Apple Store on the 3rd Street Promenade in Santa Monica, California.
Maybe the Best Buy was in Portland
....No, I never misunderstood anything. You deliberately made it seem that I did.
The fact of the matter is that CUDA is available now and has been for awhile, there are many apps out there that take advantage of it on Windows, while the Apple crowd still waits for Snow Leopard. On top of that, the MacBook is Apple's best selling computer. It was sold for roughly 2.5 years with GPUs that will not be able to take advantage of OpenCL in any way shape or form, basically making Snow Leopard's advancements useless to the current majority of Mac owners.
Wheres the OS X support? Oh thats right, there is none.
Nobody said it was just for media. You did. Not me. I mentioned CUDA and DXVA, two different things. Windows DXVA started in the 90s and is not GPU platform specific.
Nvidia's postings in their own forums prove that they do not support Pure Video on Mac OS X and have no plans to bring support to the platform.
Apple opt for their proprietary 2D overlay (QuickTime/QuatzExtreme) Just because it uses something different from Windows doesnt mean its bad, Compiz has to be the ultimate eye candy experience over Aero (I still dont care) From what I recall Quicktime is still the best Media Overlay around
I've never liked Compiz. It's obviously just a special eye candy trick that was obviously designed and implemented by programmers and not artists.
Anyway, yes Apple's overlay and Quicktime are worse than DXVA in Windows. Why? Well, because, aside from very minor HWMC and iDCT support for MPEG-2 and H.264, Apple's video playback is all software based. All of the major lifting is done on the CPU. HWMC and iDCT will reduce CPU load a little bit, but not even enough to bother with these days. DXVA in Windows allows for the GPU to do ALL of the heavy lifting. If you're watching a DVD (MPEG-2) or Blu-ray (H.264, VC-1, MPEG-2), or even other various files (WMV, H.264) and the software is DVXA compatible, the GPU does everything. It does all the decoding, all the processing, all the deinterlacing, deblocking, color correction, hardware upscaling, etc. It literally does everything. Not only does this drastically reduce CPU time and increase battery life (since GPUs can do all this work in reduced power states), but it increases image quality significantly. Anyone with an Intel based Mac and nvidia or ATI GPU can see this for themselves by installing Windows via Boot Camp.
And look at my posts where I've stated I own a Mac and I'm on my third one now thanks to Apple's poor build quality and even worse repair service
In your opinion. Oh and don't forget that Final Cut is not an original Apple product. They bought it, tried to sell it, and then couldn't sell it so continued development. Has Apple ever created anything original? They bought iTunes, they bought Final Cut, they bought Logic Audio, they bought OS X which was built off of open source software... People complain about Microsoft ripping things off, but at least Windows NT (including XP, Vista, 7) is original code!
And what "stupid useless things" would those be? Nearly everything people talk bad about Windows on this forum is made up FUD that hasn't been true in more than a decade, if it was ever true to begin with.
You want to talk to me about stability? I've been using Windows since 3.0 and I have never had all versions of Windows combined crash nearly as often as I've had OS X (multiple versions) crash on all of my Macs. And it crashes while doing random things too. Browsing the web, emptying the trash, trying to burn media. Windows on the same system won't crash, but OS X will whenever it feels like it.
Security? In Windows all it takes is a little bit of common sense and not ignoring half a dozen warnings from your browser, OS, and built-in security software when it comes to executing malicious code.
Half the time maintaining your computer? In Windows I occasionally run ccleaner which takes all of 10 seconds, and defrag once a month which takes all of a few minutes. The same way I have to run Onyx about as often in OS X and takes just as long as those combined ccleaner runs and defrags. And you want to talk about computer maintenance and how it takes less time on a Mac, let's talk about how in the 2 years I've owned a Mac, I've been without it for a combined total of over 2 months thanks to Apple's build quality and bad repair service.
I don't see iMovie as being easy to use or friendly. I see it being nothing more than something I'd use to upload clips to Youtube.
No more time than it takes with MS Office or iWork. You might have only ever used the Mac version of OpenOffice which, until recently, wasn't a native Mac app with a native UI.
Why do I have to go through all that trouble? Why can't it just make sense? OS X is supposed to "just work" so why can't it do something that Windows has always done?
Oh and this is 2009, theres no reason for me to go anywhere near a command line for anything.
This just proves that OS X requires you to compromise too much.
This isn't a matter of searching ebay. The price I linked you to IS an official price for OEM copies sold to non-OEMs. That IS what Vista costs and theres no way Apple fanboys can twist that to support their own ridiculous arguments. Vista Home Premium is $99 for the full version and Vista Ultimate is $179 for the full version. There is no searching, no corners to cut, nothing special needed to do. You go to an actual store and buy it. I can even walk into Fry's right now and buy it at that price.
Of course you don't. You don't have a UniBody Mac. I do
Sorry, I actually take care of my computers
Have you ever been in an Apple store? It's pretty easy to walk in, spot the notebooks, see the prices, and leave all in a matter of seconds.
rofl, no it's not. Microsoft's stance is that, for the average Joe, the only difference for them is they won't get phone support for the OS from Microsoft. That's it. They have never stated that it's "illegal" for you to have it. And if you want to get technical about things, when you buy that copy you are building a system so you can own it. Stores selling the software have to abide by the license agreements as well. If you actually ever used and kept up with Windows, you'd know that Microsoft specifically changed the license agreements so ANYONE can buy an OEM copy and stores no longer had to sell it with hardware.
Well, some of us aren't stuck in the late 80s and early 90s with MIDI and "virtual instruments" any more and prefer the sound of the real thing
Also, Logic limits you to a Mac and OS X, which is the deal breaker for any sensible musician. Now why would I ever perform an OS upgrade? It is ALWAYS best to do a fresh install. Every single person I have personally known who did an upgrade from Tiger to Leopard experienced issues that required a full and clean reinstallation of Leopard.
Absolutely not true. People have deliberately twisted that change in the EULA. What people were doing was taking the copy of Windows that came with a computer they bought and putting it on different computers. That is why Microsoft added the "motherboard" rule. However, anyone who is a system builder (personal) will tell you that MS has no problem with an individual user upgrading their motherboard and using an OEM copy they bought themselves. Go ask the people at Futuremark.
Not a problem. Problems are solved online faster anyway.
Again, not true for the average user who buys an OEM copy. Go to Futuremark and ask around, thousands of people will tell you otherwise.
Again, not true. There are no limitations or risks. It's a better buy and you save significant money.
Oh and when comparing prices of Leopard and Vista, keep in mind that with Leopard you've already paid as much as double for your computer compared to a PC and that MS is a software only company. Overall, that $129 just adds to the fact that you've spent anywhere from $500, to $1,000 more or even double what you would have spent.
And, again, Leopard is priced as an UPGRADE. That full retail license of Vista is just that, a full retail license. Leopard is limited to your already purchased (and double cost) hardware, while that copy of Vista (OEM or full retail) allows you to install it on a n y t h i n g.
Nobody said it was just a video player. You people need to stop deliberately twisting my words. DXVA is a Windows technology that is GPU independent.
Oh and Microsoft is bringing support for OpenCL-like technology to DirectX
And Windows has been using the GPU for video playback since before Macs could even play DVDs
Oh and Windows had DirectX and OpenGL support before Mac OS did as well. Now thats utilizing the GPU hardware for you One last thing. Why do people always try to compare Macs to Dell XPS? Why not compare to Asus, or MSI? Both of which have better quality than Dell, and a $1299 Asus or MSI will completely blow away the MacBook Pro in build quality, specs, and (in the case of Asus) warranty.
I am afraid it hasn't happened to hundreds of PCs I've supported over the several years I've been in IT, not even the old NT4 boxes. And if your "IT" people can't fix the problem, perhaps it's them, not the computers.
Sorry dude, gotta call BS on this one. PCs don't take 4 or 5 minutes to boot unless there's a seriously bad problem with the install, or there's a hardware problem. Either way, it's trivial to fix for most IT people.
I'm talking about the users, who endlessly go back and forth over the same tired crap.
The problem is that Microsoft seems determined to disprove that old aphorism about there being no such thing as bad publicity. So far, their ads intended to counter the "I'm a Mac/PC" ads have made them look out of step and quite clueless. (And let's not even mention the puzzling detour into SongSmith territory--or as I like to call it, OfficeBand.)
The bottom line is that MS is big enough to where they don't need to attack smaller competitors to get publicity. Doing so just makes them look like a bully.
And look at my posts where I've stated I own a Mac and I'm on my third one now thanks to Apple's poor build quality and even worse repair service
I'm on my fourth iMac (G4, G5 Rev A, Intel Core Duo, and now Aluminum 20") and my previous three systems are all still in operation at the homes of relatives.
You had a bad experience with a piece of hardware, it happens to some people unfortunately, and a stigma with the brand is formed. It does however, prove nothing.
As for the rest of your enormous post, if you're THAT determined to have a go at Mac users that you write an attempt at the next Pulitzer Prize winning piece, then that simply says it all.
You like PC's people, you like Windows ... we get it. The problem is not us understanding that, the problem is on your end where you cannot seem to grasp that we prefer Macs and your replies sound like the kind of insane ramblings you claim us Mac users deliver, only from a Windows PC standpoint.
Songsmith is friggin' retarded, as is their MovieMaker program and any photo app they've ever come out with. They should just stick to their bread and butter, which are operating systems, Office, and server apps.
When I'm on Windows, I'll use Reaper for audio, Vegas for movies, and Picasa for photos. All cheap or free.
It's not my opinion. Ask any video editor about what's the *only* decent (if not the only one) video editing SUITE for Windows. Remember, SUITE, NOT Video editor.
Buying something and improving it is not copying, is not a ripoff.
OS X was built off of open software and is still better than Windows...Good job, Microsoft!
The exception that confirms the rule. I can't believe that people still can't admit that OS X is more stable than Windows.
Oh, geez. Even if you have more common sense in the world, this doesn't prevent you from getting infected from an USB drive, shared network or simply by visiting a normal website which has been hacked, even if just for a few minutes. It's not that difficult.
Looks like you don't care much about performance. Because, I used Windows a lot and I had to use CCleaner, SpeedUpMyPC, Registry Booster + Registry Mechanic (manually checking registry entries to avoid any damage) and UltimateDefrag every 5 days or a week, too keep my system efficient.
You got some malfunctioning system. It can happen.
You're entertaining. Why would someone admit something if their personal experience says otherwise?
Once upon a time before I had ever used a Mac, I totally bought the rock-solid-stability myth. What else could I do, I couldn't disprove it, and Windows (95/98) was horribly unstable at the time so it made sense that there must be a more stable system out there. Then in the 90's I started working at a web agency with lots of Mac users, and realized that crashes weren't so much an exception as they were a rule. I don't think anyone at the agency got through a day without at least one crash in Flash, Director, Photoshop and all that stuff we used.
In '05 I bought my first own Mac (G4 mini) and while OS X was certainly more stable at this point than OS8 and 9 ever were, it was far from rock solid -- the worst crash magnet probably being Safari, with Finder as a close second.
Leopard... yeah, very stable.
Arguably Apple's buggiest release after 10.0. It wasn't until 10.5.3 or thereabouts it could be considered stable.Then there's my iPhone which runs some sort of pocket version of OS X. Pretty stable actually, I've read a lot of horror stories but none of them have happened to me. Safari on the other hand (again with the bloody Safari) was hopeless for a long time. The worst part was that it crashed when you didn't do anything. You could go to a web site and say hey, this looks interesting, then leave the article on the screen and start reading, not touching the screen, and when you had read half the page Safari just went *pop* and you were sent back to the Home screen.
Both Windows (XP or later) and OS X are stable enough for anyone to get through the workday (one crash won't kill you unless you forgot to save since morning). I would not avoid either platform due to stability issues, and nor would I choose one over the other due to superior stability, because the difference between the systems themselves is too insignificant in this respect. The stability of the third-party applications you choose (the Mac version of any given app could be much more unstable than the Windows version, or vice versa) is much more significant and could prove a dealbreaker. Other than that, the choice of platform should be based on personal taste and preferences, application availability and other requirement-oriented factors. The end.
Yes, I see *precisely*: when a consumer knowingly buys a product a year after it has been announced that its the end of the line, it is somehow the suppliers fault.
Fact: the Intel transition became public knowledge at the 2005 Worldwide Developers Conference (WWDC).
That was a decade ago (still sore?), but more importantly, it was during the iMac introduction, and there was lots of caterwhaling about the lack of a 3.5" floppy tool. Amazing how we adapted...or have you been reading all of these posts across a 300 baud modem?
Another necessary technology transition, namely to the OS X underpinnings.
Personally, I'd put the compatibility at 80-90%...and more importantly, they did make the effort to provide for a less painful transition for their customers. And it wasn't the first time: they had done this sort of thing before with things like the control panel switch for 24-32 bit clean (IIRC, OS 7).
As opposed to the MS mantra of "DOS Isn't Done Til Lotus Won't Run". Your advocated alternative corporation isn't anywhere near as much of a Saint as you make them out to be, and many people would say that they have been significantly more 'Evil'. Please do let us know whenever Apple is ever legally convicted of being an illegal monopoly.
For the logical reason that you've already personally transitioned, so everyone else can go pound sand? Old hardware doesn't necessarily go "poof!" when new stuff comes along, and given the high rate of change of technology in the 1990s, many of us were doubling our power every 2 years, for the very reason that the advances more than compensated for the disadvantages, such as in backwards legacy support.
So then what is your answer to the question that was posed: how many total years of product support is realistic and reasonable??
For starters, you had then best better go read Clifford Stoll's (old but good) "Silicone Snake Oil" book.
The blunt reality is that there's not really any money to be made in supporting legacy stuff. At best, you can move forward the data, or find a reasonable emulator, or literally keep old hardware running...and be willing to do it on your own dime.
In fact, there was just a news story last week where NASA where they did the last, to save some 1966-67 Lunar Orbiter photos.
You should have suggested that it was hyperbola.
A comparison of known non-equals is hardly being objective, particularly when we know that Dell (& the rest) are going to have their own Nehalem workstations released later this week.
Over here, its $1000 cheaper at $3,249. Depending on your VAT, it could pay for you to take a holiday (the ticket price on Kayak is only $550).
In any case, I'd personally not build it up this way: I'd keep the default 640GB and aftermarket for the $35 tray that allows it to be remounted up in the 2nd optical bay, then spend $200 for two 1TB drives and thus, have 30% more storage and still have 2 more internal HD bays open for future expansion...and spend less money. Both Apple and Dell are a tad underwhelming with their HD upgrade prices.
Or we can simply wait 48 hours for Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc to release more details on their Xeon configurations. This will resolve things a lot faster than our disagreements over what various dissimilarities are objectively "worth".
For example, the XPS has fewer internal HD bays ... what's that worth?
Since you've been unwilling to pay to ship an iMac in for a repair, you're not being particularly convincing in your automotive convictions, even before we recall your comment about having to transport the iMac via a train to get it to Stockholm.
The good news for me is that it is projected to be nice here tomorrow, so I'll probably leave my Mercedes at home and drive my 911 to work
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Principles, Watson. If someone offers you the sh*ttiest service you've ever heard of, is your reaction "yes sir I'll do exactly as you command"?
Well, taking the train to Stockholm takes one hour, taking the car to that particular address and finding a parking spot there would probably take two (take a drive in Stockholm sometime and you'll know why).
lorraine have a Mac
Hello,
I am from "lorraine" and i have a mac ...
Don' be scrared
Salut,
Je suis de la lorraine et j'ai un mac ... pas de panique..
ps : i love peanuts/j'aime bien les cacachuetes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorraine_(region)
Hello,
I am from "lorraine" and i have a mac ...
Don' be scrared
Salut,
Je suis de la lorraine et j'ai un mac ... pas de panique..
ps : i love peanuts/j'aime bien les cacachuetes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorraine_(region)
Lauren was hot.... that's about all I got out of that commercial
I do feel bad for her, she'll have to replace that POS in a year or two b/c it will be so loaded down with viruses and spyware that it will hardly run!
I do feel bad for her, she'll have to replace that POS in a year or two b/c it will be so loaded down with viruses and spyware that it will hardly run!
Lauren was hot.... that's about all I got out of that commercial
I do feel bad for her, she'll have to replace that POS in a year or two b/c it will be so loaded down with viruses and spyware that it will hardly run!
There's just no reasoning with unreasonable people.
That's probably true, but you have to consider the premise and the context.
1) It's a Mac forum. 'Nuff said. The attack on Windows users is already inferred through that.
2) The company that makes Macs has taunted and ridiculed Windows users for ages. Sure, Apple would brush that off and explain that "PC" isn't a PC user, but a human manifestation of a PC, but that's a load of bull -- it's the users they're going after, hammering in the notion that they're pathetic losers with zero cool factor. Why would they not be riled up, defensive and aggressive in a context such as this one? If Microsoft had portrayed you as an idiot for the last 10 years, you'd be all over Windows forums wielding a samurai sword the day after Apple aired its first revenge commercial. Ten years of unpicked bones is... a lot of bones.
3) The Mac community is known (I take no stance on whether their reputation has any merit, just quoting what people always say) for being smug, aloof, protective, defensive, elitist and mildly to severely brainwashed. If you ask me, it's gotten much better and more open and relaxed, but ten years ago I would've nodded in agreement to all of the above. It was... blehh.
Therefore the reaction to the commercial from PC users on YouTube and such was rather predictable; they feel vindicated, as if their daddy had come along and beat the school bully to a bloody pulp. As for them coming here, I honestly haven't spotted any exclusive PC users yet, just dual-platformers and BootCampers.
that's what is happening in our house! Only we're not as far along.
I told my mom that she should get a mac. Of course, the price scared her off and so she ended up getting the pc, and of course, the thing takes 20 minutes to boot all the way now. Last summer I decided to get a mac and, what do you know, my mom wants to get one this summer now.
Sorry Lauren, it is not that your not cool enough, its just you need to take your broke ass home.
"Of course" ? No, PC's don't take that long to boot up. Not even in the world of fanboi exaggeration.
If that's true, which I doubt, take it back.
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