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Laying iPad on a desk with all the sound banging around and not at the user... doesn't make

It could be Maglock or fold out port [Air]...

Agree 100%

You would have to be a moron with a brain the size of a grain of rice to think putting a speaker on the rear of a device which has no means to stand up, hence for many lying flat on a surface would be a great idea.

Let's be honest, come on, lets be REALLY honest, the speaker on the iPad is utterly pathetic, and we need something better.

Yes, you could say it's ok, in relation to something like a mobile phone, but that's like comparing a turd to a turd. It's still a turd.

30 years ago I had 100x better and louder sound coming out of my ancient pocket transistor radio with it's two AA batteries.

I'm hoping for better sound, and to be honest, sound that came out towards the persons ears would be a giant improvement in itself.
 
I love how people bash on companies like Bose stating that they charge a premium for the brand. The funny part is this is done on a Mac forum by the same consumers who pay a large premium for using outdated processors just because someone smacked an Apple logo on the hardware.
I do admit the OS is worth it, but lets be serious. :rolleyes:
 
Bose sued Consumer Reports in 1981 for libel. The basis was that CR editors significantly changed the wording of the original reviewers report to make the product sound worse. A lower court found for Bose. A higher court later reversed the libel decision, finding that the changes, although they did change the original reviewer's intent, were made "without malice," as "malicious intent" is required for a libel judgement.

Is this what you were referring to when you said "ose sued audio magazines", or is there some other incident along these lines? If so, which magazine(s), and when?

I found this funny exchange from a 2006 post on a Bose forum. The suing of magazine(s) (beside Consumer Reports) seems more urban legend than fact. Perhaps Adam or Jamie can do a show on it.. LOL

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EDIT: oh BTW, dont tell me you cant fit stereo speakers on the ipad, the phones below have stereo speakers

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I'm sure those sounded great too. :rolleyes:;)
 
I love how people bash on companies like Bose stating that they charge a premium for the brand. The funny part is this is done on a Mac forum by the same consumers who pay a large premium for using outdated processors just because someone smacked an Apple logo on the hardware.
I do admit the OS is worth it, but lets be serious. :rolleyes:

Comparing Apple to Bose is utterly ridiculous. Apple charges a premium for a premium product. Bose charges a premium for absolute junk.

The problem is, most consumers have no idea what good sound is. It's the same reason why TV stores set their all TVs in VIVID mode with all the colors out of whack, crushed blacks, pumped saturation. Picture quality is absolutely horrendous yet it makes people buy TVs.

Bose takes $2 drivers (not an exaggeration, they really use clock radio quality parts) and manipulates the sound to fool uneducated consumers. To anyone who thinks Bose sounds good, you have no idea how your music should really sound. It's like putting a ton of make up on a cheap hooker and charging supermodel prices for her.
 
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Yes!!! That's exactly what I wanted - a better speaker on my iPad. /sarcasm

I mean, who wants an SD card slot or a mini-USB? /sarcastic rhetorical question

BTW:
- The rear facing camera hole looks way to big, in proportion to an 10 inch iPad - either a bad Photoshop, a supersize lens, or a 7 inch iPad. Hmm... Which one's the most likely? /sarcasm

- The speaker would be facing the ground - great for kids, hiding under the table, not wanting to eat the rest of their food.

I expect an XD slot about the time we see a removable battery.USB probably only if required by law(EU).
 
Comparing Apple to Bose is utterly ridiculous. Apple charges a premium for a premium product. Bose charges a premium for absolute junk.

The problem is, most consumers have no idea what good sound is. It's the same reason why TV stores set their all TVs in VIVID mode with all the colors out of whack, crushed blacks, pumped saturation. Picture quality is absolutely horrendous yet it makes people buy TVs.

Bose takes $2 drivers (not an exaggeration, they really use clock radio quality parts) and manipulates the sound to fool uneducated consumers. To anyone who thinks Bose sounds good, you have no idea how your music should really sound. It's like putting a ton of make up on a cheap hooker and charging supermodel prices for her.
Yes, Exactly!

I find that the people who argue against Bose typically have tested them side by side with other brands. I can tell you from experience, doing exactly that, that I think they suck for the price.

It's like putting a ton of make up on a cheap hooker and charging supermodel prices for her.
That's going in my sig!
 
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Bose's sub is so bad, they are not even allowed to call is a subwoofer.

Notice, its called a "Bass Module."

The average Bose customer has not idea that brands like Klipsch or Paradigm exist.

LOL!Like there is some law about the naming of such things.
Like a lot of companies they like to use their own special names,like "bass module".Sounds very high tech.
But there is no one to "allow" of disallow them to call it a subwoffer.Get real.
 
I was messing around with the iPads at an Apple Store last night and was disappointed that I couldn't hear anything coming from them. This is a good move in my opinion.

Nope! Not good at all! With a flat back, what will ya hear when iPad is resting on a desk, counter etc?

Best would be stereo speakers with one on the left and one on the right side.

What would be really nice is a flip out deflector or a plastic clip on deflector that would reflect more sound towards the user. Just cup your hand by the speaker now and you will notice a significant increase in volume and clarity. ;)
 
Just did another search on alibaba and there are a lot more cases showing up. This one caught my eye.

Top has different holes to current gen. Hmmm.
 

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As I mentioned to another poster, I am not questioning the findings, however you inquired if another poster has taken apart the speakers, analzyed them with sound equipment. My question was simple, and now I have my answer. You have not.
No, I asked if he had taken them apart, nothing about analyzing. And yes, I have taken them apart.

Is it your premise that I am lying?
Drawing is no good. The distance between each pair should stay constant, otherwise your stereo separation changes as you rotate. Which is another reason to have 4, I suppose. Not that you get any stereo separation unless you hold the thing very close to your face.
LOL, not much he or Apple can do with an iPad. I like the iPad, but it isn't a 12' room.
Coming from someone who clearly has never owned Bose anything. Calling it junk and comparing it to a clock radio is retarded.

They make good products, they may be overpriced and you definitely can get better bang for your buck going with another brand, but they aren't junk, just overpriced.
I would say you are the one who has never owned one. I have, and still have family members that do.
Also someone suggested Bose should test their products with standards like frequency response, which is one of the most meaningless stats on the package of a sound product there is, you simply CANNOT judge a headphones quality by the manufacturers stated frequency response. Take a look at the back of the packaging of some cheap JVC Marshmallows, then do the same with some expensive Shure 535's and you will see what I mean. Instead of stats, try listening to the product before making your mind up about them
I have listened to them extensively, just as I have many other speakers. I'm an audio nut, far beyond being an Apple nut. And nobody said that frequency response is the only way to test speakers. However, if a speaker cannot even play 200Hz audibly....no thanks.

I might add that a proper frequency response is far more valuable than you are giving it credit. Also, marketing lies. Whatever is printed on the box means nothing. Measure it, or use measurements from trusted sources. Then go listen for a final decision.
Bose sued Consumer Reports in 1981 for libel. The basis was that CR editors significantly changed the wording of the original reviewers report to make the product sound worse. A lower court found for Bose. A higher court later reversed the libel decision, finding that the changes, although they did change the original reviewer's intent, were made "without malice," as "malicious intent" is required for a libel judgement.

Is this what you were referring to when you said "ose sued audio magazines", or is there some other incident along these lines? If so, which magazine(s), and when?
Yes, I said that poorly. Sorry about that. I did say it better in a different post. Audio and Stereophile had other kinds of fights with Bose, and stopped reviewing their products. Audio no longer exists, it was folded into its brother Stereo Review, nka Sound & Vision. I stopped reading print mags about a decade ago, so I haven't kept up on recent events.
LOL!Like there is some law about the naming of such things.
Like a lot of companies they like to use their own special names,like "bass module".Sounds very high tech.
But there is no one to "allow" of disallow them to call it a subwoffer.Get real.
I think he is refering to Bose stores. The official Bose wording of their device is "bass module", and I believe the employees are directed to call it that, and not use the word "subwoofer".

I don't really have a problem with this particular Bose trait, many sub/sat speaker sets from many companies do not really have a "subwoofer", not the way most audio nuts think. I would not call a speaker a sub unless it can play below 30Hz effectively. They could all call them bass modules and be more accurate, if you ask me.
 
Comparing Apple to Bose is utterly ridiculous. Apple charges a premium for a premium product. Bose charges a premium for absolute junk.

The problem is, most consumers have no idea what good sound is. It's the same reason why TV stores set their all TVs in VIVID mode with all the colors out of whack, crushed blacks, pumped saturation. Picture quality is absolutely horrendous yet it makes people buy TVs.

Bose takes $2 drivers (not an exaggeration, they really use clock radio quality parts) and manipulates the sound to fool uneducated consumers. To anyone who thinks Bose sounds good, you have no idea how your music should really sound. It's like putting a ton of make up on a cheap hooker and charging supermodel prices for her.

Is Apple really that different? Don't they use sub-par processors, GPUs, SSDs, limited amount of RAM etc.? What's the difference then?
 
Comparing Apple to Bose is utterly ridiculous. Apple charges a premium for a premium product. Bose charges a premium for absolute junk.

The problem is, most consumers have no idea what good sound is. It's the same reason why TV stores set their all TVs in VIVID mode with all the colors out of whack, crushed blacks, pumped saturation. Picture quality is absolutely horrendous yet it makes people buy TVs.

Bose takes $2 drivers (not an exaggeration, they really use clock radio quality parts) and manipulates the sound to fool uneducated consumers. To anyone who thinks Bose sounds good, you have no idea how your music should really sound. It's like putting a ton of make up on a cheap hooker and charging supermodel prices for her.

Not once in my post did I say that Bose was great, but before you say that Apple is "premium" please look at the parts they use in their machines. A C2D processor in the 13 MBP? for $1200+? limited options for expansion? They basically pack it up nicely for you keep their fantastic OS proprietary and charge you a premium for a computer whose specs are similar to a machine you can get for hundreds less. Then on top of it they charge you 400 dollars more for a 4 to 8 GB RAM upgrade, but its ok for them to do it right cause they only use "premium" RAM.
 
Not once in my post did I say that Bose was great, but before you say that Apple is "premium" please look at the parts they use in their machines. A C2D processor in the 13 MBP? for $1200+? limited options for expansion? They basically pack it up nicely for you keep their fantastic OS proprietary and charge you a premium for a computer whose specs are similar to a machine you can get for hundreds less. Then on top of it they charge you 400 dollars more for a 4 to 8 GB RAM upgrade, but its ok for them to do it right cause they only use "premium" RAM.

Forget C2D! The Bose equivalent is putting a Fisher Price children's toy inside a good looking case and selling it as a Mac Pro.
 
An SD card slot there would be infinitely more useful than a larger speaker.
If I want good sound from an iPad, I'd hook up speakers.
 
Ali... Who?

Who the hell are alibaba.cpm and honestly who cares, they're just another quick and dirty case manufacturer which makes them no authority on upcoming hardware. Hedge your bets folks, but seriously do you think Apple would join HP and Asus in the ranks of "we make ugly devices" by putting a big fat speaker there? Yeah right!
They know the current speaker can be amplified lots more and they're lovin' SD these days in the Macs etc, so I'm betting on a memory stick slot.......
My 2 cents
 
Yikes. For a 10" device marketed as media consumption device - that's really lame if true. Even the Galaxy Tab has Stereo speakers. Sounds like the price of the Tab is justified over the iPad - 2 Cameras, Stereo speakers, double RAM.

Seems the specs-fetishists are out of the woodwork again. :rolleyes:

Does the Galaxy Tab run iOS? NO? Then please stop comparing both. Kthxbai.
 
I was messing around with the iPads at an Apple Store last night and was disappointed that I couldn't hear anything coming from them. This is a good move in my opinion.

Well if the store you were in is anything like my local ones, the trouble wasn't the ipads but the 200 folks trying to cram into the store at the same time making too much noise to hear anything at all
 
about 25 things come to my mind when i think of how the ipad could be made better. but it is not a lousy loudspeaker that is on this list! very disapointing of apple... btw: apple, we have TWO ears!
 
That looks awfully crappy for an Apple product. I'm getting pretty decent sound from my MacBook Air with speakers under the aluminum housing.
 
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