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New O2 iphone 4 Tariffs released

A couple of musings re getting a micro SIM.

1. I wonder if O2 have them yet and can we ask for one now.

2. If I call O2 and ask for my current Simplicity settings to be set up on a micro SIM, will my full size SIM still be useable until iPhone 4 is released?
 
Ok so actually going off what other have said basically we don't get any free data on payg as of October?????

If so that's pathetic!!!!! Part of the attraction was the £120 worth of data you got free with the phone. It would be great of someone could confirm this as true or not so I can get the wheels in motion of getting my phone unlocked!

Thanks
 
Skengman said:
Also, as several people have previously mentioned, iAds use a load of data which we have no control over.
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You don't have to click the ads. They still show a banner in the same way that ads do now. It's what happens when you click them which is different. Once clicked they start to load the data.
 
Someone told me that if I go out right now and get a Simplicity For iPhone contract before the iPhone 4 comes out, I'll still get the unlimited data I so desperately need. But will that run out in October too? According to O2, the unlimited data was only ever a promotion until October. Or will the unlimited data last for the whole 12 months of my contract?
 
Data usage

I've just gone through all my O2 previous bills, checking my data usage, and the highest month was 223,812...
I use my iPhone a lot, but yes usually on wifi at home or work. Perhaps if O2's 3G coverage was better I'd end up using more data over 3G (it just routinely drops to edge or gprs when walking around large parts of Edinburgh, for example). However, realistically, even though I'll be sticking with my Simplicity20 with unlimited data and getting a payg iphone4, it really wouldn't be a huge problem for me if they did cap my usage. Also, there's no denying that O2 gives me great home broadband for very cheap, so there is some motivation for sticking with them.

I know there's a lot of outrage flying around, but I think you do have to weigh up the pros and cons, and as others have said, I'd imagine the other networks won't be offering unlimited data either.
 
Peter Harrison said:
But won't the data become limited in October?
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I'm assuming this is only for new contracts, or if people "upgrade" which is essentially a meaningless term as far as I can tell (it means being allowed to pay a penalty charge so you can start a new contract with the new terms, even if you haven't finished your current contract). Certainly when people say "I'm due an upgrade" that simply seems to mean they have the privilege of being treated as a new customer. Great.

If I stay on my current tariff, which I switched to after my 18 months £35/month ran out in January, I imagine I'll just keep the current terms.

However, if O2 do change their conditions, I'm only on 30 days notice so could shop around (possible handset unlocking issue, but I imagine there'll be ways around this). Also, as I pointed out, my usage of 3G data would not be affected even by a 500MB cap (although clearly the higher the cap the better in terms of peace of mind when using your phone)
 
Do you people not do anything with your iPhones except call and text though? I've used 400MB between the 3rd and today. That's 8 days and I'm nearly at what the cap will be. I browse the net at points throughout the day, check Twitter and maybe one or twice every 3 days I might watch a Youtube video. I've downloaded apps but none in the last 8 days.

If I just check email, Twitter, Facebook and browse some pages... how are so many of you under the cap after a full month!? 🙁
 
Peter Harrison said:
Do you people not do anything with your iPhones except call and text though? I've used 400MB between the 3rd and today. That's 8 days and I'm nearly at what the cap will be. I browse the net at points throughout the day, check Twitter and maybe one or twice every 3 days I might watch a Youtube video. I've downloaded apps but none in the last 8 days.

If I just check email, Twitter, Facebook and browse some pages... how are so many of you under the cap after a full month!? 🙁
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Well at home and work there's wifi. Most of my usage realistically is in those places.
I do read emails, browse the net and watch the occasional youtube video when I'm out and about. I also use wunderradio to stream radio when I'm walking to work. If I didn't use wifi at home and work then my usage would be way higher. 400MB in 8 days seems like a lot: your described activities shouldn't take anything like that amount of data 😕
 
Peter Harrison said:
Do you people not do anything with your iPhones except call and text though? I've used 400MB between the 3rd and today. That's 8 days and I'm nearly at what the cap will be. I browse the net at points throughout the day, check Twitter and maybe one or twice every 3 days I might watch a Youtube video. I've downloaded apps but none in the last 8 days.

If I just check email, Twitter, Facebook and browse some pages... how are so many of you under the cap after a full month!? 🙁
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Get it checked out. I've never been anywhere near the cap, and have at times spent 6 hours in a day streaming Sky TV to my phone over 3G, plus lots of web, twitter, email etc.
 
wrong thread..too many, this should be merged with the other uk one!

good call nightfox - that should be a FAQ
 
NightFox said:
Because there's so many posts in here and people are clearly missing this:

It doesn't matter if you keep your existing contract - from October EVERYONE will revert to capped data. O2 have said that the free unlimited data was always a promotional offer, as reflected in their T&Cs.

In other words, after October NO-ONE on O2 is going to have unlimited data. Even if you stick with your current iPhone, you're still going to lose it.
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Can you explain this then.....

http://news.o2.co.uk/Press-Releases/O2-introduces-new-mobile-data-pricing-model-2a3.aspx

Existing customers will continue under their present terms, unlimited data usage with an Excessive Use Policy.

EDIT - i'm not trying to be flippant, i'm just confused.
 
ct2k7 said:
Peter, that is currently an issue I am investigating (data calls at 00:00 of that size). If you don't mind, would you be able to help me investigate? A PM or msn/email to me would be fine if you do.
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I'm not surprised, considering anyone smart will take O2 to small claims court when the first bill comes through and *overwhelmingly* win given the evidence in this thread that O2's billing can't be trusted.

Phazer
 
ct2k7 said:
gazzren you are correct, NightFox, that is wrong. They legally cannot change the term of the contract, unless the change benefits the other party, ie, us.
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Yes they can. It's explicitly written into the contract that O2 can change the contract with 30 days notice.

*But* any material change would make the minimum term unenforcable, so people who were still in contract would be free to cancel and leave immediately.

Phazer
 
(New user here so firstly hi to everyone!)

I have a question for Chris.

I just want to know if O2 are even slightly concerned about the amount of customers they will be losing over the recent tariff changes? The fact that you are on here must mean they want some sort of feedback?

You say that the limit on data is to make the service better for everyone but surely keeping customers is more important right now? I am almost certain O2 will lose more people to these tariff changes than they will to a slightly compromised internet speed. Surely it would make more sense to target the 3% and throttle their service without annoying the other 97% The fact that we will now be paying more money for the same service is bad enough as it is.

I would have thought that since O2 lost their iPhone exclusivity they should be doing more to keep their customers, not less.

I for one will be will be leaving O2 for another provider after many years and I know a lot of my friends are planning on doing the same.

Thanks for answering these
 
Still there Chris? Or anyone?

So will tethering still be an extra? Has this been decided by O2 yet? If it's an extra I'm definitely looking elsewhere for a better deal.

I'm currently stuck with 3.01 on my 3G so that I can use the non-jailbreak tethering hack. I gather this doesn't work with newer updates (and iOS4 I assume). I'm due an upgrade and keen to get an iPhone 4.

I rarely use 3G or even Edge, so I'm unlikely to go over the limit but I'm not paying twice for a tiny amount of (very handy) data.
 
If your on a 30 simplicity plan, your "contract" updates every 30 days, meaning when october cap comes in it'll apply to your contract. The only way to secure unlimited internet in simplicity is to sign up for 12 months before 24th of june, and then buy PAYG iPhone 4.
 
Immuir said:
I for one will be will be leaving O2 for another provider after many years and I know a lot of my friends are planning on doing the same
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Good luck finding another provider who won't be doing virtually the same thing as O2 lmao. At least O2 had the balls to come out first to say what they were doing, taking the hit from the media so all the other networks can slip out their tariffs and not get so much negative publicity.

Domo-Kun said:
If your on a 30 simplicity plan, your "contract" updates every 30 days, meaning when october cap comes in it'll apply to your contract.
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False information again 🙄
 
liketom said:
i am sorta pleased that o2 are pricing them selfs out here - here is my iphone 3g speed on o2 3g and then connected to three's mifi 3g in the same spot in my office

i'll let you work out which ones which 😉
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Dont know how accurate these tests are but in 8 tests in 5 minutes i had download speeds between 367kbps & 1274kbps.
The same readings gave upload speeds of 350kbps & 243 kbps.

is this good, bad or average?
 
On the O2 page at http://shop.o2.co.uk/tariffs/simplicity/iphone/12_months

For simplicity for iPhone which includes the unlimited web and wifi bolt on, the terms and conditions link at the bottom links to http://shop.o2.co.uk/tariffSmallPrint#PayMonthly

Which says,

Included Unlimited Wi-Fi and Web Bolt Ons for iPhone Customers only

The Unlimited Wi-Fi and Web Bolt On is included at no extra cost for customers connecting or upgrading to any iPhone tariff until further notice. O2 reserves the right to withdraw or amend this offer at any time on reasonable notice. Participating customers will receive 30 days notice via text message if changes are made to their disadvantage. Excessive usage policy applies see Data Bolt Ons terms below.
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As far as I can find the bolt on was never sold as part of the contract it was sold as a free/included bolt on, who's terms could change at any time with 30 days notice.

Btw, notice this is just for the simplicity sim only contracts I haven't looked at the standard phone contracts which could well be different - Although If you kept the current contracts with unlimited data and bought phone on payg it would be very expensive.
 
djrm said:
Good luck finding another provider who won't be doing virtually the same thing as O2 lmao. At least O2 had the balls to come out first to say what they were doing, taking the hit from the media so all the other networks can slip out their tariffs and not get so much negative publicity.
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I dont think I need luck! 5 providers in competition to offer the best service, i know i'll get better call/data plans than the ones O2 have announced
 
The Phazer said:
Yes they can. It's explicitly written into the contract that O2 can change the contract with 30 days notice.

*But* any material change would make the minimum term unenforcable, so people who were still in contract would be free to cancel and leave immediately.

Phazer
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They'd be facing with a lot of hell either way. From what I understand in contractual law, such change would be a breach of service. Just becuase they say they can change it, doesn't mean they can easily. Try this in a court of law, and it will fail.
 
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