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What about...
...the TiBook? Its specs are starting to look a bit 'dated'... Will we get a similarly quiet revamp here as well? Anyone heard anything about the Apollo chips lately? I presume the new Pmacs are not Apollos...
...the TiBook? Its specs are starting to look a bit 'dated'... Will we get a similarly quiet revamp here as well? Anyone heard anything about the Apollo chips lately? I presume the new Pmacs are not Apollos...
Great Deal on a slightly used Dual Proc 800! 
...man...the Dual 1gig is sweet...and me with an Apple Store just down the road....(the pressure increases)
Oh well - who am I to resist
Any one interested in a great deal on a Dual Proc 800?
Priced to move fast!! (faster than my wife will want
Sorry for the plug - but I can't help it
trofkahr@hotmail.com
...man...the Dual 1gig is sweet...and me with an Apple Store just down the road....(the pressure increases)
Oh well - who am I to resist
Any one interested in a great deal on a Dual Proc 800?
Priced to move fast!! (faster than my wife will want
Sorry for the plug - but I can't help it
trofkahr@hotmail.com
O.k., let me compare the prices for Macs and similar PCs (here in Switzerland):
Mac:
PM 800 (fast) = $ 1599
PC = $ 1560
Athlon XP Palmino, 1.53 GHz, cooling system
256 MB 266MHz RAM, Motherboard, fire-wire card, 40 GB IBM (7200) harddisc, cd-burner, ethernet, soundcard, ATI Radeon 7500, Win XP, floppy, keyboard, mouse, modem
System konfigured ($ 150)
Mac:
PM 933 (faster) = $ 2299
PC = $ 2135
Athlon XP Palmino, 1.53 GHz, cooling system
256 MB 266MHz RAM, Motherboard, fire-wire card, 60 GB IBM (7200) harddisc, dvd-burner, ethernet, soundcard, GeForce 3Ti 500, Win XP, floppy, keyboard, mouse, modem
System konfigured ($ 150)
Well done Apple, these are very fair prices!
Mac:
PM 800 (fast) = $ 1599
PC = $ 1560
Athlon XP Palmino, 1.53 GHz, cooling system
256 MB 266MHz RAM, Motherboard, fire-wire card, 40 GB IBM (7200) harddisc, cd-burner, ethernet, soundcard, ATI Radeon 7500, Win XP, floppy, keyboard, mouse, modem
System konfigured ($ 150)
Mac:
PM 933 (faster) = $ 2299
PC = $ 2135
Athlon XP Palmino, 1.53 GHz, cooling system
256 MB 266MHz RAM, Motherboard, fire-wire card, 60 GB IBM (7200) harddisc, dvd-burner, ethernet, soundcard, GeForce 3Ti 500, Win XP, floppy, keyboard, mouse, modem
System konfigured ($ 150)
Well done Apple, these are very fair prices!
L
littlejim
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And maybe some folk won't be quite so quick to slag off Mac User UK Magazine for being spot on with the predictions (if a few days out)?
LittleJim
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Tinky Winky, Dipsy, La La, XP
Re: What about...
it probably won't get anything major until the G5 releases....
we may see something small....remember that band kid with the 1 Ghz PowerBook?
patience is a virtue...
it probably won't get anything major until the G5 releases....
we may see something small....remember that band kid with the 1 Ghz PowerBook?
patience is a virtue...
terrific
Totally sold on this lot.
And I think the price points are pretty competitive too.
It's odd how pathetic the 56K modem looks, tacked on at the end of the list!
It should probably now be built without a modem, but I guess it's there for the fax software, as 99% of power users are NOT going to be dialing up to the internet through an internal modem!
Since when has Apple been so realistic and generous with the RAM, all good signs.
And even if the G5s are only four/five months away, it plugs the gap nicely.
No complaints here.
Totally sold on this lot.
And I think the price points are pretty competitive too.
It's odd how pathetic the 56K modem looks, tacked on at the end of the list!
It should probably now be built without a modem, but I guess it's there for the fax software, as 99% of power users are NOT going to be dialing up to the internet through an internal modem!
Since when has Apple been so realistic and generous with the RAM, all good signs.
And even if the G5s are only four/five months away, it plugs the gap nicely.
No complaints here.
servers too
Notice too the new servers in the apple store
$2799 - 933Mhz 256k L2 cache & 2MB L3 cache - 256 MB SDRAM (PC-133) - 80GB Ultra ATA @ 7200 RPM - CDRW
$3299 - Dual 1Ghz G4 - same cache - 512 MB SDRAM - 80G - CDRW
$4549 - Dual 1Ghz G4 - same cache - 1GB SDRAM - 72GB Ultra 160 SCSI (10000 RPM) - CDRW
... Available in February
Notice too the new servers in the apple store
$2799 - 933Mhz 256k L2 cache & 2MB L3 cache - 256 MB SDRAM (PC-133) - 80GB Ultra ATA @ 7200 RPM - CDRW
$3299 - Dual 1Ghz G4 - same cache - 512 MB SDRAM - 80G - CDRW
$4549 - Dual 1Ghz G4 - same cache - 1GB SDRAM - 72GB Ultra 160 SCSI (10000 RPM) - CDRW
... Available in February
Re: Well, don't you naysayers look stupid now.
They are comparing it to a 2ghz P4 which seems fair. How much does one of those cost from a full service supplier similar to Apple, like IBM or Compaq?
Rocketman
They are comparing it to a 2ghz P4 which seems fair. How much does one of those cost from a full service supplier similar to Apple, like IBM or Compaq?
Rocketman
oh and
I've guess you people have seen Apple's own Photoshop tests.
In case there are any doubting Thomases out there:
the dual 1GHz is 72% faster than a 2GHz P4 and even the 800GHz is 26%, signigicantly, faster!
And better value!
Whooppee!
And a shipping time on the 933 of 5 days at the Apple Store!
I've guess you people have seen Apple's own Photoshop tests.
In case there are any doubting Thomases out there:
the dual 1GHz is 72% faster than a 2GHz P4 and even the 800GHz is 26%, signigicantly, faster!
And better value!
Whooppee!
And a shipping time on the 933 of 5 days at the Apple Store!
DDR SDRAM!
Not only is the new GF4MX card DDR, but also on the architecture page, it does a nice job of explaining the L3 cache on the two hi-end's feature up to 500Mhz DDR SDRAM at speeds up to 4 gigabytes per second (GBps) on a dedicated bus to the processors. (for each processor).
Nice how it goes on to say (unlike Pentium 4-based systems, which don't have a L3 cache)
get me if i'm wrong, but this is the first i've heard of the powermacs to feature DDR PC133 memory.. rather than just the pc133 SDRAM ..
.. also, I thought the SD in SDRAM meant 'single datarate'.. but it does in fact say "Double Data Rate (DDR) SDRAM running at a data rate of up to 500Mhz."
So the 800 doesn't have DDR SDRAM????
Not only is the new GF4MX card DDR, but also on the architecture page, it does a nice job of explaining the L3 cache on the two hi-end's feature up to 500Mhz DDR SDRAM at speeds up to 4 gigabytes per second (GBps) on a dedicated bus to the processors. (for each processor).
Nice how it goes on to say (unlike Pentium 4-based systems, which don't have a L3 cache)
get me if i'm wrong, but this is the first i've heard of the powermacs to feature DDR PC133 memory.. rather than just the pc133 SDRAM ..
.. also, I thought the SD in SDRAM meant 'single datarate'.. but it does in fact say "Double Data Rate (DDR) SDRAM running at a data rate of up to 500Mhz."
So the 800 doesn't have DDR SDRAM????
Re: terrific
At Applestore removing the modem is a $29 downgrade.
RAM is far cheaper if mail ordered. They are making a comfortable premium. My friend at Micron complains they now include 0.5gb memory modules in cereal boxes
After G5, look for rack mounted, multiprocessor (6-12) servers for mid-size server and render farms.
Rocketman
At Applestore removing the modem is a $29 downgrade.
RAM is far cheaper if mail ordered. They are making a comfortable premium. My friend at Micron complains they now include 0.5gb memory modules in cereal boxes
After G5, look for rack mounted, multiprocessor (6-12) servers for mid-size server and render farms.
Rocketman
cache
Okay.. i see now.. the DDR is on the graphics card AND the L3 cache (2MB) .. but not the main RAM.
so you are partially correct falleron.. i guess it sounded better than it really is.. but hey these systems kick a$$! I wish I could spend the dough.
Okay.. i see now.. the DDR is on the graphics card AND the L3 cache (2MB) .. but not the main RAM.
so you are partially correct falleron.. i guess it sounded better than it really is.. but hey these systems kick a$$! I wish I could spend the dough.
configure
I would think that Apple would sell more if they allowed more 'bto' options as they once did.
I do think that Dell does do as well as they do because partly all of the tons of ways you can configure your system.. Desktop OR laptop.. It is quite impressive...
I just think that Apple should leave room for more configurations even though it may cause a bit more delay in the ordering processes up to delivery...
I would think that Apple would sell more if they allowed more 'bto' options as they once did.
I do think that Dell does do as well as they do because partly all of the tons of ways you can configure your system.. Desktop OR laptop.. It is quite impressive...
I just think that Apple should leave room for more configurations even though it may cause a bit more delay in the ordering processes up to delivery...
Tempting
The dual 1Ghz is very tempting, but the lack of DDR main RAM will keep my money waiting for a while longer.
(Well, at least untll I actually use one at the Apple store or CompUSA and my wallet accidentally falls out of my pocket and my credit card just happens to slide through the register swiper! )
The dual 1Ghz is very tempting, but the lack of DDR main RAM will keep my money waiting for a while longer.
(Well, at least untll I actually use one at the Apple store or CompUSA and my wallet accidentally falls out of my pocket and my credit card just happens to slide through the register swiper!
)Yeah - mine (credit card) falls out of my pocket a lot these days...(dangit) - and when it does - it always lands in the darn credit card swiper.
Oh yeah - to all those that have asked - the DP800 I'm selling *does* have the SuperDrive in it.
(I now return you to your regularly scheduled broadcasting)
Oh yeah - to all those that have asked - the DP800 I'm selling *does* have the SuperDrive in it.
(I now return you to your regularly scheduled broadcasting)
L
littlejim
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Re: Re: terrific
At Applestore UK, removing the modem saves 20GBP, but adds 3-5 days on delivery time!
I've just placed my order! These are GREAT prices - must be the lowest top range prices from Apple for a good many years - 300GBP cheaper than yesterdays top model.
OK - there may be G5 in six months time ... but that will get overtaken soon after. And instead of waiting - I'll have had a good few months of superfast computing!
Now ... what use can I put the G3/400 to?
LittleJim
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Tinky Winky, Dipsy, La La, XP
At Applestore UK, removing the modem saves 20GBP, but adds 3-5 days on delivery time!
I've just placed my order! These are GREAT prices - must be the lowest top range prices from Apple for a good many years - 300GBP cheaper than yesterdays top model.
OK - there may be G5 in six months time ... but that will get overtaken soon after. And instead of waiting - I'll have had a good few months of superfast computing!
Now ... what use can I put the G3/400 to?
LittleJim
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Tinky Winky, Dipsy, La La, XP
Man, those are impressive specs.. I remember when Apple's newest computers had 32 megs of ram... *coughcough*my iMac... Apple has done well, they know what we want... Kick ass! Anyone who complains about this can buy an athlon and a bag of lemons to suck on...
yay apple!
yay apple!
You could...
LittleJim:
"Now ... what use can I put the G3/400 to?"
Got a rooftop? If so dedicate it to the cause! www.consume.net
LittleJim:
"Now ... what use can I put the G3/400 to?"
Got a rooftop? If so dedicate it to the cause! www.consume.net
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GeForce4 ?????
BLOODY BULL****!
Im an owner of the Geforce 3 OEM from Apple BTO. I bought it with the first Superdrive 733 MHz 1MBL3 Cache G4 Mac.
After 6 !!!!!!!!!! months, Apple released OS 9.2.1 and it was the first time the Geforce 3 showed me only a slightly performance boost (5 fps more in quake) - before it was just like a geforce 2 mx, only with 64 MB Ram. In OS 9.2.2 it only supports 640x480. What a joke. Apple knows this problem of some geforce 3 card revisions and told me to wait until March of 2002 - for maybe new nvidia drivers.
Now Im working in OS X. The Apple-Website says: "...with full native support for the superfast NVIDIA GeForce 3 card allowing applications to take maximum advantage of advanced 3D applications" WHAT A JOKE!!!
Buy a good new game and test the Geforce 3! None, I repeat none of the special features like Full Screen Antialising, etc. are supported by the Open GL Drivers form Apple. The card is nothing more than a geforce 2 mx with 64 MB DDR Ram.
Nobody needs a geforce 4 if there are still no drivers for the geforce 3!!!!!!!!
Dont buy it. Its crap.
This is my opinion.
BLOODY BULL****!
Im an owner of the Geforce 3 OEM from Apple BTO. I bought it with the first Superdrive 733 MHz 1MBL3 Cache G4 Mac.
After 6 !!!!!!!!!! months, Apple released OS 9.2.1 and it was the first time the Geforce 3 showed me only a slightly performance boost (5 fps more in quake) - before it was just like a geforce 2 mx, only with 64 MB Ram. In OS 9.2.2 it only supports 640x480. What a joke. Apple knows this problem of some geforce 3 card revisions and told me to wait until March of 2002 - for maybe new nvidia drivers.
Now Im working in OS X. The Apple-Website says: "...with full native support for the superfast NVIDIA GeForce 3 card allowing applications to take maximum advantage of advanced 3D applications" WHAT A JOKE!!!
Buy a good new game and test the Geforce 3! None, I repeat none of the special features like Full Screen Antialising, etc. are supported by the Open GL Drivers form Apple. The card is nothing more than a geforce 2 mx with 64 MB DDR Ram.
Nobody needs a geforce 4 if there are still no drivers for the geforce 3!!!!!!!!
Dont buy it. Its crap.
This is my opinion.
YAY
I am so excited G Force 4 will make all PC people go ah I want that. This is a great break through for Apple. Now we can claim the realm of the ghz, of course we already have! This is great way to go Apple!
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700mhz snow
100mhz performa
Not all who wander are lost.
I am so excited G Force 4 will make all PC people go ah I want that. This is a great break through for Apple. Now we can claim the realm of the ghz, of course we already have! This is great way to go Apple!
_____________________
700mhz snow
100mhz performa
Not all who wander are lost.
Re: dual 1ghz?
Yes, Dualley Quicksilvers sound like a jet engine. Not all that loud ambient but distinctly present in a quiet space. A bit louder than the original iMac. There are 3 fans in that case. A baffled or cork lined CPU cabinet might be a good idea.
Yes, Dualley Quicksilvers sound like a jet engine. Not all that loud ambient but distinctly present in a quiet space. A bit louder than the original iMac. There are 3 fans in that case. A baffled or cork lined CPU cabinet might be a good idea.