Including the HDMI port was a mistake. They‘ve forced the very few Pros who actually need this port to carry a dongle. Now the majority of pros will suffer by losing another TB port and having to look at this thick, clunky monstrosity. And if you’re going to bring back the HDMI port, give us the latest! Truly, this beast of a machine is intended for Pros who could care less about design.
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Not that it bothers me, but I did notice that the display seems to have those shadows on the edges with the mini LED display like my iPad pro. I remember everyone freaking out about it with the iPad pro. It doesn't bother me but I bet some people with freak out lol. You can tell around the 5 minute mark.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Ports didn't require "thicker." Look at prior generation MBpros with those ports and they don't look as relatively thick. We seem to be trying to "blame" the perception of thickness on port resurrection but Apple's past MBpros with those same ports show that they aren't the cause.
Part of this is simply an illusion. Compare actual measurements and if one is thick, the other is too... perhaps using different "makeup" to better hide it.
Your 2013 MBPR is larger… and only slightly lighter
2013 15” MacBook Pro Retina
Height: 1.8 cm
Width: 35.89 cm
Depth: 24.71 cm
Weight: 2.02 kg
2021 16” MacBook Pro
Height 1.68 cm
Width: 35.57 cm
Depth: 24.81 cm
Weight (M1 Pro): 2.1 kg
Weight (M1 Max): 2.2 kg
Check the specs
The lack of taper at the sides appears to be confusing people - but will help with thermals
I really think we are forgetting how the taper on the 2019 makes the MBP LOOK thinner than it is.
I would rather left off HDMI and SD Card as I’ve now adjusted to their dongle theory and I like it. I barely need them, but had a dongle if I do. I’d rather have a bit thinner and lack those ports.
Yeah, just invest the money you would have to fork over for these monstrosities. It’s thick, clunky and ugly.
I’m gonna go out on a limb here and bet you weren’t about to shell out for the 16” pro anyway, or even the 14”, and it’s specifically and deliberately targeted at professional users that need both a big screen and a *lot* of raw power that isn’t you. This is a performance workstation, for what you want they have the air, which is very svelt, as I’m sure will be the air redesign next year. This machine is a mobile workstation, and it’s still thinner than any equivalent in performance that I can think of. I just requested and got approved a nearly maxxed out 14” for my next work laptop because I want a bit of a smaller footprint (I have a 2016 15” now and have wished the whole time for a smaller laptop with that power) but my coworkers in general are going to gobble these new 16s up. Especially those with the last gen 2019 16” machines, the thinness plus the heat meant if you were really pegging the CPU those machines can overheat, and at the very least sound like they’re taking off, a bit of a chunkier machine means way better cooling is available.
One option is to wait until next year and hope the rumors of an M2 MBP are real. These MPro/Max 14/16 laptops are thick, clunky and ugly. I bet the extra weight will be very noticeable. Also on the 14, it has inferior battery life to the current M1 13.
I'm sort of laughing at some of these posts. I want a laptop that has ports and more power.
Apple: ok, we'll do that. We need add a few mm though.
People complaining: you made it thick and ugly! I'm going back to Intel!
Apple: ok, we'll do that. We need add a few mm though.
People complaining: you made it thick and ugly! I'm going back to Intel!
It does look chunkier in pictures. However, in actuality, the new 16" M1 Pro/Max MBP is only five one-hundredths of an inch thicker. I'd like to see one in person before declaring them as ugly. The build quality gets better every year. It might be a stunner in person or grow on you over time.
You are 100% correct. I’m not a pro but I will probably buy the 16” specifically for its screen size. I still think it’s clunky, thick and ugly.
Monterey now has the option to keep the menu bar on in full screen, although I found I had to switch full screen off and on for each app to get it to take effect. It works on external displays too
HDMI needed for presentations in work settings. Its definitely needed. Thats why 2.1 probably wasnt included. You dont need 4k 120 for a powerpoint presentation
HDMI has standardized as the de facto port for projectors and tv’s used for presenting since 2016. I can show up at any establishment and present with my 2015 or my windows laptop and know I can connect. There’s no forgetting to bring a dongle to the presentation or forgetting to take a dongle after presenting. It’s also way easier to get my hands on an hdmi cable no matter how rural the location than it is to get my hands on a specific dongle. I just need to bring my laptop, charger, mouse, and myself. No dongles required.
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Wait, what? 0.66" vs 0.64" (16" MBP). Literally 3% thicker. You will not notice it.
If you’re a Pro, then you now have what you begged for. Useless ports! Thicker chassis! Power in exchange for mediocre battery life! When the thinner, beautiful, more efficient M2’s come next year, let us consumers and “prosumers” enjoy
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
User TheLuggage seemed to convincingly address this (wrong?) perception of "losing a TB port" to resurrect some other kinds of ports well in this post: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-up-to-250-mb-s-updated.2318421/post-30485247 I can't know that that is absolutely true but it seems pretty convincing to me about this topic.
I'm definitely in the camp of being thrilled that HDMI is back INSIDE. It's hard to lose/misplace that HDMI port and I have much greater faith than an Apple HDMI jack built in is going to "just work" when needed than some non-Apple-branded hub HDMI jack. Anyone who uses their MBpros for travel and must do presentations for clients will likely have a regular need for an HDMI connection. Trusting- and having to also carry- a hub for that commonplace need is solved by getting it back INSIDE.
Apple Silicon is the most "Steve Jobs" innovation since Tim took over:
-not buying Beats
-not the Apple Watch
Steve hated relying on the chip companies and their lazy shipping schedules and production problems and thermal requirements. For Tim to ditch Windows compatibility and tell the developers to re-write all the software (For the third time in 20 years) is remarkable. As a mac user, the apple silicon stuff excites me.
-not buying Beats
-not the Apple Watch
Steve hated relying on the chip companies and their lazy shipping schedules and production problems and thermal requirements. For Tim to ditch Windows compatibility and tell the developers to re-write all the software (For the third time in 20 years) is remarkable. As a mac user, the apple silicon stuff excites me.
Jesus, if some of the comments in this thread are not supposed to be a joke, some people really just buy the most expensive computer they can despite never actually needing the power involved, I guess? I cannot believe how many people here are complaining about a laptop designed for pro use cases being large enough to have a high-performance mode, additional ports, and a vastly better battery life.
The MacBook Air is thataway. Why are you complaining about a product that is clearly not designed for you?
The MacBook Air is thataway. Why are you complaining about a product that is clearly not designed for you?
Apple carefully and intentionally forced the very few Pros who actually use HDMI to purchase dongles. Now they’ve put it back instead of an additional TB port and because the damn HDMI port is so large, they made this device thicker…
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
I'm a pro and welcome back those useful ports... certainly more useful than TB4/USB4 for direct connection general utility (sans hub). Battery life will likely only be mediocre when doing very intensive tasks on battery. For most things pros do on laptops, MAX power won't be in play, so battery life should be impressive/competent.
But yes, when the Air arrives, it may in fact be thinner and you should enjoy it if that's what matters to you. It's good when people can get what they need by choosing the config/tool that best fits their needs. I'm glad you will get what you want in those upcoming Macs.
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