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News Flash: Apple Special Event Planned 1st Week in July
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Platform said:iPod's again..............
Well......at least apple will make money
Don't expect to see ANYTHING computer related for at least 6 months.
Maybe a speed bump. Woo hoo.
iPhone
Seems strange that Steve would have media even just to announced updated iPods and or Motorola's phone, i mean these in themselves don't qualify for a major announcement when the've been expected or known about for some time.
Maybe we are all incredibly stupid and the Motorola iTunes phone is really the long rumored "iPhone" from Apple. A long shot,..but stranger things have happened.
Seems strange that Steve would have media even just to announced updated iPods and or Motorola's phone, i mean these in themselves don't qualify for a major announcement when the've been expected or known about for some time.
Maybe we are all incredibly stupid and the Motorola iTunes phone is really the long rumored "iPhone" from Apple. A long shot,..but stranger things have happened.
coreymcl said:
You aren't the only one as long as they do it RIGHT. MS has FUBARed the Tablet PC. Search the boards for my description of why...I'm lazy tonight. Apple could make a kick *** Tablet PC as long as its a convertible. Only a handful of consumers would bite on a keyboardless slate tablet.
DAMN! Cingular gets exclusivity with motorola sometimes, that'd mean nobody else would get it, and cingular charges a fortune for internet service plus they have that lousy 2 year contract thing and their minutes pricing SUCKS.
This SUCKS. I hope at best it won't be exclusive so other companies can get it too
This SUCKS. I hope at best it won't be exclusive so other companies can get it too
tsk said:
Of course it's not that hard to recompile the software! Good development shops will do a recompile of their code every night (so compile-breakers are caught and fixed quickly and a "latest code" build is always ready)! However, while that is good news to developers, that doesn't mean that Intel/PPC binaries will be out tomorrow morning. There's a bit more involved here than just a recompile.
A few points.
1. For a developer using XCode already, using Cocoa already, and using the Altivec high-level APIs instead of low-level APIs already, it should be a quick recompile. HOWEVER, it is more likely than not that this will not be released as a "patch", but rather as a new version. Different companies may make different choices, but history shows that, generally speaking, things like this will debut in the "next" minor/major release opportunity. Doing it as a slipstream patch is a tech support nightmare.
2. For developers not using XCode/gcc (CodeWarrior still has a substantial user base! IBM's compiler has been put into use by a good number of high-end application developers because it makes significantly faster executables than gcc!), not using Cocoa, or using low-level APIs or, heaven forbid, assembly code ... well let's just say that one year may just about be enough time to make the transition internally. But, maybe not enough time to both make the transition locally AND piggyback that onto a release opportunity. I wouldn't be surprised to see a good number of Quarks out there still this time next year for that very reason.
3. Across the board, a significant hardware change means additional QA. No major development house should be shipping Intel/PPC software if they did not do a full regression test on Intel boxes as well as their traditional PPC-based QA test fleet. Mom and Pop shops are excluded from this requirement (we'll understand if something slips through there, and blame Apple instead), but the big guys and even the not-quite-little guys will need to plan for proper QA. Note that adding QA isn't something you do overnight; either you add time to your existing release plans (which may be impossible, forcing the Intel/PPC binary to debut in the "next next" release), or you add heads to the QA team to run the same tests you've been planning for in PPC-land on the Intel boxes. While the latter gets you out the door on time and allows for earlier Intel support, it is generally harder to pull than slipping release dates.
4. Fallback plan: Rosetta. Will work great for low-CPU usage applications that currently run on G3s. Anything that requires Altivec (remember how Apple has been telling you not to do that for the past five years? Yeah, you wish you'd listened!) will not run. All Classic apps (which, obviously, are even less likely to be updated for Intel than any others) might as well be put in the museum. Fortunately, the Altivec-loving apps tend to be from bigger companies in general, and they should be able to pull off an Intel transition within the year. But there are a handful of small one-man development shops that put out software that loves altivec; you'd better hope that if you have any on your Mac that the guy decides to flip the switch, recompile, debug, and support Intel, or you'll just have to learn to live without it.
FWIW, Intel Macs any time prior to 2006 would be suicidal for Apple. Period. The software just won't be there. I'm betting on an April launch of Intel Macs. Maybe the Mac Mini will be earlier, but I'd be somewhat surprised if they were announced and shipped in January at MWSF. MWSF chops the expectation of one year that Apple just gave their developers to about 6 months. And that, my friends, is just plain silly. But, still, it's possible, given the size of the show and the impact. But definitely not before then!
well if it is the iPods that get updated it, i'm all behind it. My 3G is doing great but i think a color screen, an updated UI, increased storage, and maybe even some new features (as discussed above) would give it the flare that it needs. I think its starting to die out a bit, the technology in there is over a year old at the newest.
jettredmont said:
I wouldn't however be suprised if the new Intel laptops are *announced* in January at MWSF and *shipping* a few months later. That allows Apple to give any "slackers" a little slap in the face to tell them to get moving and get the new products out.
Just to clarify, if a program runs on a G3 it will run on Rosetta, since that's what Rosetta identifies itself as. Very few programs require Altivec, but rather make use of it when it's there. Photoshop et al run on G3s remember.jettredmont said:
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JoeG4 said:DAMN! Cingular gets exclusivity with motorola sometimes, that'd mean nobody else would get it, and cingular charges a fortune for internet service plus they have that lousy 2 year contract thing and their minutes pricing SUCKS.
This SUCKS. I hope at best it won't be exclusive so other companies can get it too
What is this think with the US? You seriously can't buy any phone and use it with any operator?
I want new ipods and I want 'em now
I want new ipods, gonna get 'em somehow
I'm gonna get one, I'm gonna get one
Nobody spoils my fun
with thanks to Shane Macgowan for his lyrics for me to twist....
I want new ipods, gonna get 'em somehow
I'm gonna get one, I'm gonna get one
Nobody spoils my fun
with thanks to Shane Macgowan for his lyrics for me to twist....
and yes i realise my signature conflicts somewhat with my desire for an ipod and it's digital excellence but at least it means I'm keepin 'em alive....
Daveway said:
Yeah I like the design of the 3G more as well.
I hope the 5G ends up being a lot nicer than the 4G.
powermac666 said:
Hahaha, oh how it truly is this way with many things in life.
jayscheuerle
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kainjow said:
They need an updated look on the outside. They've taken the rounded look as far as possible, not unlike the old Ford Taurus or Toyota Celicas. A few hard geometric edges would go a long way towards giving it some class and taking them away from the look of a prop in Woody Allen's "Sleeper"..
jayscheuerle said:
I agree, and speaking of props, did anyone notice in the SNL that Will Ferral hosted a few weeks ago that in the skit where he was the weird (German?) people's son that he had a remote for the stereo and it was an iPod shuffle on the lanyard?
There should be also something completely new. It doesn't make sense to invite media to special event and tell them only things like that Suffle will get more capacity or iBook better vido card. I hope that rumors about AirPort remote control appear to be true.
jettredmont said:
well, i'm a home user.
what software do i really use:
OS X
iLife
iWork
ical, mail, adressbook, safari
isync to my palm
Photoshop Elements
MS Office 2004
salling clicker
superduper
skype
so, Photoshop and office run already on rosetta.
salling clicker is nice, but i could live without for a while.
superduper and skype are small apps that may even run as java??
if apple sells an intel mac today, usabilty is almost 100% for me. utilities will be more and more widget based and therefore no problem. so for the home user base there is no reason to delay the intel macs. it certainly won't be suicidal to bring the first intel macs early on.
my 2 cents.
andi
Yeah, but...
I have recorded with both tape and MD AND center my audio work around my Mac. For tape, I record on a Tascam DA-P1. For MD, a Sony MZ-R55. Then simply transfer that to my G4 via Pro Tools/Digi001. No problems - and tape quality is great (MD compresses a bit).
That said, I too have been longing for an iPod that would record (at least) 44.1/16 stereo audio. My Mac can handle all compression schemes later (via iTunes, Logic or any number of audio apps). I think all the pieces (electronics) are in place, would not require the iPod to expand in size (at all), and there is a legitimate market for this. Just because some don't want this feature does not mean this feature should not be included (I could care less about Party Shuffle, yet have no problem with that being an included feature set of iTunes). If anything, Apple should include this feature as it puts a more creative tool in creative hands... which is why I use a Mac in the first place.
Surreal said:
I have recorded with both tape and MD AND center my audio work around my Mac. For tape, I record on a Tascam DA-P1. For MD, a Sony MZ-R55. Then simply transfer that to my G4 via Pro Tools/Digi001. No problems - and tape quality is great (MD compresses a bit).
That said, I too have been longing for an iPod that would record (at least) 44.1/16 stereo audio. My Mac can handle all compression schemes later (via iTunes, Logic or any number of audio apps). I think all the pieces (electronics) are in place, would not require the iPod to expand in size (at all), and there is a legitimate market for this. Just because some don't want this feature does not mean this feature should not be included (I could care less about Party Shuffle, yet have no problem with that being an included feature set of iTunes). If anything, Apple should include this feature as it puts a more creative tool in creative hands... which is why I use a Mac in the first place.