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Basically my current Sony has a 8.1mp camera, it looks all rite, but to get a decent sharp image out of it, i need to make the picture 30% smaller in photoshop to increase the pixels per inch and the static.

so with a 3.2mp camera I'll have to decrease the size at least 40% to minimize the noise in the picture.

end of the day all camera phones are hopeless, great for quick snaps to remember something. so i rather a higher mp camera than a lower.

That is so wrong on so many levels.

The reason you have to decrease the size in photoshop to make the photo sharper is because the camera is using aggressive noise reduction algorithms which do a good job of removing the noise but also removes details. When you resize the photo you aren't making it any "sharper". It just apears more sharp at the per pixel level. You aren't creating any more details. They are lost forever when the camera does the noise removal.

To get a sharper photo you want less noise reduction. To be able to use less noise reduction and get a photo with an acceptable amount of noise you want a sensor that is highly sensitive to light. The easiest way to do this is with large pixels. Large pixels are physically larger and therefore able to gather more photons (light) and less noise. Large pixels also mean fewer pixels if the sensor were the same size. This is why less is more in terms of pixels.

There is, as always, a but. If you compare the camera in the current Iphone which was launched in 2007. It is already very old. Newer camera sensors have better hardware which changes the analog signal each pixel generates into a digital signal (signal amplifier) and other hardware which removes noise even before it is turned into digital data. This is why an 8mp sensor has less noise than some 3mp sensors.

If you would make two camera phone-size sensors with the same technology, one with 3mp and one with 8mp then most likely the 3mp sensor will retain more detail than the 8mp one.
 
Absolutely agree. I think most people who actually own iPhones who have commented think this too.

(yes that excludes all you people commenting who've not owned one yet :) )

I'd like to see a camera that can take pics in less than bright sunlight. I live in Manchester, UK. We get maybe 5 days of California-bright sunlight in a whole year :)

I have a Jesus Phone Mk1 and the pictures it takes are utter gash. I'm not holding my breath that Apple will ramp up on lens quality what they've held back on MP's - there is just no historical evidence to support the idea that they will.
 
I dont know why people want a more powerful cpu, the weakest link at the moment is user RAM. After springboard and the rest of the daemons are running we only have around 30MB to play with.

512MB RAM please apple. :apple:
 
I dont know why people want a more powerful cpu, the weakest link at the moment is user RAM. After springboard and the rest of the daemons are running we only have around 30MB to play with.

512MB RAM please apple. :apple:

Screw that, I want 1GB.

Hell, let's go crazy and throw in 2 GB. :D
 
While it is true megapixels aren't the only value to measure a camera quality (sensor size, dinamic range, noise, etc), 5MP is the absolute minimum.

Um... why? Because you can't take good pictures with anything less? Nonesense. I had a 3.2 MP fuji digital camera in 2002 that took great pictures (even in comparison to pictures taken with more modern cameras). Other manufacturers have made people believe they need some particular number to take a good picture, and it's just nonsense.

r.e. cameras - 3.2 Mega pixels is fine, if they bring in a good lens and some kind of focus ability. My Sharp 903SH takes amazing photos and was made in 2005.

that's a really nice picture. :)

re: the front facing camera. I would have absolutely no use for it. If they could do it while keeping it very small and unobtrusive then I guess there's no harm, but I also see extremely little upside.

More RAM and a faster processor will be the things that make the most difference to my user experience. :)
 
I'd like to see a higher res display, preferably 640 x 480, but still keep the 16.9 mil colors...
 
That is so wrong on so many levels.

The reason you have to decrease the size in photoshop to make the photo sharper is because the camera is using aggressive noise reduction algorithms which do a good job of removing the noise but also removes details. When you resize the photo you aren't making it any "sharper". It just apears more sharp at the per pixel level. You aren't creating any more details. They are lost forever when the camera does the noise removal.

To get a sharper photo you want less noise reduction. To be able to use less noise reduction and get a photo with an acceptable amount of noise you want a sensor that is highly sensitive to light. The easiest way to do this is with large pixels. Large pixels are physically larger and therefore able to gather more photons (light) and less noise. Large pixels also mean fewer pixels if the sensor were the same size. This is why less is more in terms of pixels.

There is, as always, a but. If you compare the camera in the current Iphone which was launched in 2007. It is already very old. Newer camera sensors have better hardware which changes the analog signal each pixel generates into a digital signal (signal amplifier) and other hardware which removes noise even before it is turned into digital data. This is why an 8mp sensor has less noise than some 3mp sensors.

If you would make two camera phone-size sensors with the same technology, one with 3mp and one with 8mp then most likely the 3mp sensor will retain more detail than the 8mp one.


yes i agree with you, but find me a camera that has an an awesome sensor/lens. then i will change my mind.
for now the only option is to go big to compensate for lack of quality on most if not all phones.

I rather have less MP and a better sensor, but we all know that wont happen just yet. i guess we could all hope this is true with the new iphone 09.
 
With all the new OLED-equipped toys spilling out of Japan I'm quite positive that there will be an OLED-screen in the upcoming iPhone. At least if Apple wishes to stay ahead of the crowd.
 
I find some arguments tangible and others kind of obsolete to the bigger picture that I think most if not all of us keep forgetting.
Apple has just stepped into this mobile realm 2 years gone.
They do however innovate as time progresses on and they get the hang of what they are doing.
Example:
1st MBA- Excellent product but needed a few extras, 2nd MBA fixed allot of the things the 1st MBA was short on (Bigger HDD,Better Graphics chip, DDR3 ram)... I know that they have been making laptops and desktops for sometime now, but this is just an example of a product that Apple has introduced and has improved upon.
1st iPhone was more than suffice, but the complains about lack of , for a better choice of words, took its toll.
2nd iPhone, still innovative while lacking things that people wanted changed (better Camera, Front Facing camera,more storage space)
So now here we are for round 3 of the iPhones induction into the market with it's 3rd iPhone to arise.
Do we really believe that Apple will stick a larger sized MP camera within the phone without making sure that the lens is the best that they can get for the size that they need it?
The 1st two generations of iPhones do have an excellent camera for taking photos while out and about. I have had friends with cell phones with the higher megapixel taking the same exact photo as myself , and then all the photos being printed out and my photos being more crisp and vibrant than theirs.

There is a legitimate argument that if you want to take "excellent" photos , get a Digital SLR which I already own a Nikon D3X but do not want to lug it around with me all the time.I have several other cameras as well,but when that good shot comes at the spur of a moment, I find it easier to whip out my iPhone , if its not already within arms reach or to my ear and get the shot that I could have missed because I did not have a camera strapped to my waist or on my shoulder or in my hand.....
That being said, I welcome the camera with no worries.
What the main focus should be on is the memory as well as the processor chip within the iphone.
To be honest everything else is a plus, the real ticker is the backbone of the iPhone which is the RAM as well as the processor chip.
 
Sorry that's bollocks.

The photos my 3 year old N95 (5MP) are far far better than my current iPhone ones. Yes there is a megapixel myth, but it doesn't work lower down the scale like 2 > 3.2 > 5.


You, sir, should read the article. It clearly states that the perfect area between resolution and noise is 6MP, which means it also perfectly stated the same thing you just did.
 
Buy A Camera!

The pinheads whining that it doesn't yet contain a ten giga pixel camera or a time machine transporter need to change their diaper. Relying upon the iPhone to be a Swiss Army knife in lieu of more appropriate appliances is foolishness.

I could hammer a nail with a frozen 20# turkey but for best results I choose to use a hammer. Don't buy a Bugatti (or even visit the showroom) and then complain it can't haul as much gravel a pickup.
 
LOL, so many amazing things planned for the iPhone . . . such a great platform for development, and people are getting hung up over a the camera.
 
All these threads about the camera. Sheeeeeez.

It's not an iCamera! It's a phone (granted with some bells and whistles).

I've been using my Razr *PHONE* for years and have only taken a few photos with it's 1megapixel camera...the photos, for A PHONE, aren't bad when on a computer. If Apple is going to introduce a 3.2MP camera as part of the iPhone, that's nice...not sure if **I** would ever use it enough to get rid of my wife's $159 digital camera (slimmer than the iPhone) or my sweet Sony 4MP camera from 2001 or even my new Sony DSLR.

I'm not a camera freak (yet we own numerous) but this thing is supposed to be an all-in-1 device (which is fine) and being that the case, not 1 thing is going to be super impressive. The upcoming iPhone will be a phone, camera, web surfer, iPod, and likely gaming system. Are you gonna complain that it doesn't render polygons fast enough for your game? :)

Take it easy on the camera sliver of this upcoming unit.

My big question....you ready?....here it comes....what is the darn price for it and will I ever be able to use it on Verizon or another non-AT&T network. No, I'm not talking about hacking the thing to death to make it work...I'm talking about ordering it online, showing up at my door, and ready to go on Verizon. But let's not get into the carrier discussion.

I like the iPhone for it's all-in-1 type gizmo...but I still use my PHONE as a phone.

-Eric
 
LOL, so many amazing things planned for the iPhone . . . such a great platform for development, and people are getting hung up over a the camera.

Agreed,I think this signature sums it up the best ""If Jesus Himself came back to earth and turned water to wine, half of MacRumors would say 'meh, this is red. I wanted white.'"
I think we should be raving about the features Apple is implementing and trying to import into the iPhones hardware .
I honestly think that in the next year (2010) Apple will have the knowledge base that they are currently lacking, although I think that they might be almost there with this next release.
All we can do is speculate what is real and what is fake and what is wanted and what is needed....
 
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