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Battery life would be adversly affected by the fact that the display would require more electricity to drive it (fact of life: low res. screens use less power than same size higher res. screens), but it would also require a rather powerful graphics processor to display fluid images at the proposed resolution. Unless you are cool with Apple adding a much larger battery.

And before you go slagging off someone for makeing an alternative to your oversimplified analysis, what do you think makes more sense - cost marginally increasing in a linear fashion (as you propose) or exponentially (as suggested by others)? Because it it were the former, then why do we not see a slew of proposed tablets from other manufacturers with "Retina" displays?

This is why Apple would simply use the multi-core version of the PowerVR currently inside the iPad, it is a product that the makers of the chip has ready for production in devices right now.

Something having more pixels does not mean it takes up more power. If there is more areas for a light diode to emit through then yes that would take up much more power. Why don't others do it though? I'm not sure why is it that the company I work for is the only company that knows how to bend chrome at a 30 degree angle? Why doesn't everyone do it? There is a such thing as trade secrets.

For someone who can't figure out why a higher resolution display with a beefed up GPU doesn't affect battery usage you're suddenly an authority on everything, aren't you? iSuppli is a guesstimate, they know very little about actual costs. And your thinking that Apple's costs are plummeting is similarly unfounded. The dollar has been dropping since the summer so supplier costs are up, or, at best, flat. Foxconn also raised prices in October.

The bottom line is your methodology of pro-rating a guesstimate of the iPhone's screen pricing to make assumptions about iPad pricing is deeply flawed.

Everything you say about me is incredibly true however, instead of believing that technology halts a year ago, I know that as has always been the case this isn't true, and Apple will if they haven't already find a cost effective way to make a "Retina Display" or at the very least trick people into thinking it is one.

326 pixels per inch would be an incredible feat wouldn't it ib? However if you took it down to around 250 ppi (right around where the human eye is just able to see the actual pixels) and still slap a Retina Display label on it people would still eat it up. Also have to consider other tablets out there are (or are) going to be doing 1080P video at 3' less space than the iPad. How the hell are they doing that? With magic and Steve Jobs tears?
 
Ok no this is no rumor just an idea collection I'm starting. Submit any ideas you think would make it into any future iPad releases.

Ok so here is my idea:

Bigger and better. I would like to have a 13" touchpad at my disposal. I just find that it is too small for my kind of multitasking. it would be the ultimate tool. but for this i would prefer to have a mac OS rather than the small iOS systems. i wanna macbook on a touchscreen in simple terms. It would in fact be possible. it may not be as portable, but it would be great just the same.

Just a personal thinking. 13" is too big I think. 10" is the best and ****ing stupid 7" pads.
 
This is why Apple would simply use the multi-core version of the PowerVR currently inside the iPad, it is a product that the makers of the chip has ready for production in devices right now.
Do you have the power specs for the multi-core PowerVR parts vs the single core? multi-core isn't a free lunch, a dual core or a quad core vs a single core means exactly what it says, namely two or four times the number of cores which relates to twice or quadruple the number of transistors on the die. In fact it's usually more than double or quadruple because as the core count goes up the ancillary logic to handle bus arbitration and other coordination issues usually gets more complex. More transistors equals more switching current when active and more leakage current when inactive so typically the power consumption goes up. Often the hike in power consumption isn't linear with the number of cores because going multicore is usually done at the same time as rolling out a new process and/or geometry (e.g. 45nm to 32nm or smaller, HKMG, etc) but typically this improvement in fabrication does not fully offset the increased transistor count, especially in the first generation devices.

If Apple go to what they would likely declare as retina for the iPad by an exact quadrupling of the pixel count then that would imply a fourfold increase in the GPU performance, i.e. going to a quad core PowerVR for instance. I don't see that coming in at the same power profile as the current single core part, at least not for a year or two. If you have data that says otherwise then I'd be interested in seeing a link because I couldn't find power info on the multicore PowerVR stuff.

Something having more pixels does not mean it takes up more power. If there is more areas for a light diode to emit through then yes that would take up much more power.
This has also occured to me. I'm not an expert on displays but it did also seem to me that (excluding OLED) the big power drain is the backlighting and that should be proportional to the screen area and not the number of pixels. Like I say, I'm not an expert, but I tentatively agree with you on the above. All the points being made about the extra power needed to drive the substantially more powerful CPU and GPU needed to drive those extra pixels are still a big issue though I think.

As far as actually manufacturing a 9.7" screen with 4 times the pixel density, and with a total of over 5 times as many pixels as the iPhone 4 display, that isn't trivial. You do realise that in order to achieve the same yield as Apple are currently getting on the iPhone 4 display it's not a case of using a similar process and just scaling it up because if they did that then the current failure rate wouldn't be 5 times what it is with the iPhone, it would be the current iPhone failure rate raised to the 5th power. If the yield on the current iPhone is X (where X is between 0 and 1 with 0 being every single screen off the production line being a reject and 1 being no rejects at all coming off the line) then the same process scaled up to an iPad retina display would have a yield of X^5 (approximately, it's more like 5.12 to 2 d.p.).

I just don't think the technology is there yet, either in having that much CPU/GPU power within the same current draw, or being able to lay down that many pixels into a single panel with a low enough reject rate to make it economically viable. Ultimately we can argue this constantly until the day when Apple launch an iPad with a significantly higher ppi display, and in my view that day will definitely come, the only issue is when; I don't think that it's going to happen in 2011.

- Julian
 
hey, im hearing a lot of hate comments over here. bad.

and to gratui, i think i did say that would only happen by like the 5th release of the ipad. and it would never have a retina for that. they will probably just double up the ppi rate. even that is very very iffy. i'd say only about 1.5 for the next 10 inch.

the 7 inch pads are for people who don't want an iphone sized screen and don't want to be carrying around a damn ipad all day. it fits in your pocket (if you have cargoes), but isnt too small to give you a headache staring at all the tiny little dots all day.

for the next ten years, ipod, iphone, and ipad will slowly turn into the same product. and it will just be called the iMedia. at 4, 7, 10, and 12 inches.
 
Just bought a 64gb WiFi ipad on Black Friday and before that I was test driving the Samsung Galaxy tab which is 7".

Personally, I think the 10" is the perfect size. I see what people are saying that the iPad is a little heavy. It is and if Apple can make it lighter I'll definitely upgrade.

7" is nice and portable but it's an awkward size. Good for ereaders but browsing the web, typing etc. it's just too small in my opinion. Back in the old days of netbooks (remember those?) they started out at 7" too but as the netbook market matured, people were going for 10" instead as that was the perfect size.
 
If apple pulls a 3GS and only mildly improves specs (same processor, basically same screen, double the ram, slightly better battery, etc...) I think they would HAVE to lower the price.

And this makes sense to me because they are really going to make big bucks through the app store and advertising, and being able to sell iAd space to companies. If they can push out a few extra million iPads because they drop the price $50 bucks (and if they are only marginally increasing specs, this should be easy without cutting profit margins since manufacturing costs will have dropped over the year since release of the iPad 1) they could make more money in the long run.

Apple really wants to get as many iOS devices out there into consumers hands, preferably with front facing cameras to support their facetime format (another thing that needs lots of users to be successful). If they can turn to advertising agencies and give them a staggering figure of the number if iOS users, they can much more easily sell add space and make tons of cash.


If they keep the same price, I would expect at LEAST the following, and I think the list is reasonable.

1) 512 megs of ram.
2) Same screen, maybe slightly sharper colours or some minor improvement.
3) Front facing camera for face time (this is more for apple than for us, because they want to push their facetime format).
4) Better CPU and GPU. It may just be a slight improvement to a single core A9 based chip. A quad core GPU and dual core A9 obviously would be awesome but I don't see it happening from apple (although the blackberry tablet is touting a dual core...)
5) Slightly bigger battery, slightly lighter case.
6) 32 gig base size would be nice, but I could see them going for 16 gigs again.
 
SJ point blank said there would NEVER be a 7' iPad, so it's not happening.

As i said...10 years from now. it will be the connection between phone and tablet. and it will be under 0.1 inches thick as will be most of them. and the hard drive space will no longer be a factor as wifi networking will surpass anything we can imagine and it will connect to a twenty terabyte home storage facility connecting wirelessly to any machine be it Apple or anything else. i see the future...

anyway aside from the guru from the future, realistically for iPad2.0 i believe nothing more than a slight specs upgrade. maybe more ram, battery will stay the same, stereo speakers, screen might be a little better but not much, that facetime camera in the back will be hidden within the central Apple icon. and apple will be a huge d*** again and not allow us to export pictures and movies onto a usb device as usual.

As for an iPad 3, i do believe by then they will release a 12". it will still not be a computer, but a media hub like thing to connect ipods and iphones and sync music, photos, and the whatnot. it will be like a backup for your data. and a super ultra fast internet browsing machine.
 
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Borrow design elements from the iPhone 4 and put the iPad on a diet.

OUTSIDE
- Sharpen the corners up a bit, they make the iPad look a bit 'fat' so curvy.
- The glass is HEAVY, ultra-thin glass panels will reduce weight substantially.
- Bring the bezel down which will bring the weight and size down too.
- The aluminum border is too thick, make it thickness of the iPhone 4.
- Bring LiquidMetal in for the casing for an ultra light metallic glass.

INSIDE
- ARM Cortex-A9 CPU
- 512MB RAM
- 128GB SSD
- FaceTime camera
- Better battery life

I think these upgrades are feasable. As much as I'd like to see it I don't think Retina Display is ready for iPad 2, but that's where we are heading. I also think Apple should decide what the future of the home button is across their iOS devices, it's coming to a point where it is affecting design (takes up too much space).
 
indeed... but they have functions for it as in the switching apps feature. it could be resolved by making it a soft touch button instead?
 
To all these people wanting it thinner, with thinner glass etc etc.

One thing you must remember.

The iPad is quite a heavy device, and people will pick it up using one hand by just one corner of the device.

You don't want to get to the point where someone picks it up from a corner, and the glass cracks due to the strain.

They can't make it too thin and weak.
 
indeed... but they have functions for it as in the switching apps feature. it could be resolved by making it a soft touch button instead?

It could possibly be replaced by a multi-fingered gesture (e.g. three-finger swipe to the left). But considering there needs to be a bezel anyway, I think the Home button will remain a fixture.
 
If I was apple, I would cut the price on 16GB wi-fi model down to 399 dollars to just say iPad starts at 399 dollars.

iPad 2 will start off with 499 and so forth.
No price change and most of upgrades will be camera, Ram, processor and camera.
 
SJ point blank said there would NEVER be a 7' iPad, so it's not happening.

I came here to post this.

Great. Either you guys have short memories or you just don't know Steve Job's history of not telling the truth. Steve Jobs also was quote in saying that videos would never come to the iPod and also said that a popular e-reader would fail "because people don't read anymore" (but here he is now, selling books through iTunes for a device that is great for reading books).

http://www.engadget.com/2004/04/29/steve-jobs-says-it-again-no-video-ipod/

http://gizmodo.com/345502/steve-jobs-people-dont-read-anymore-android-is-going-down
 
Great. Either you guys have short memories or you just don't know Steve Job's history of not telling the truth. Steve Jobs also was quote in saying that videos would never come to the iPod and also said that a popular e-reader would fail "because people don't read anymore" (but here he is now, selling books through iTunes for a device that is great for reading books).

http://www.engadget.com/2004/04/29/steve-jobs-says-it-again-no-video-ipod/

http://gizmodo.com/345502/steve-jobs-people-dont-read-anymore-android-is-going-down

Jobs is as guilty as anyone in that he can't actually see into the future (and he's prone to hyperbolic speech). If there's a way to make a 7" tablet a viable and useful tool at some point in the future you will see Apple doing it (assuming that tablets are where technology ends up in a few years). What you won't see is a 7" iPad in 2011.

Your take of Jobs "not telling the truth", however, is way off base. He was talking about the state of affairs with the technology he was aware of when he was making the statements.
 
Jobs is as guilty as anyone in that he can't actually see into the future (and he's prone to hyperbolic speech). If there's a way to make a 7" tablet a viable and useful tool at some point in the future you will see Apple doing it (assuming that tablets are where technology ends up in a few years). What you won't see is a 7" iPad in 2011.

Your take of Jobs "not telling the truth", however, is way off base. He was talking about the state of affairs with the technology he was aware of when he was making the statements.

Thats being a little too generous. Either he was speaking out of ignorance when he made the comment about the kindle, or he lied.
 
Apple can just add only camera and they will still sell millions of iPad.

I don't expect huge improvement over 1st generation. It took 3 years for iPhone to get better display from the original. Apple doesn't usually change themselves at all. I doubt apple will be focusing too much on adding too many improvements. I expect Retina Display or some sort of OLED display on iPad in iPad 3 or even 4. In iPad 2, the face time will be the big picture.
 
Thats being a little too generous. Either he was speaking out of ignorance when he made the comment about the kindle, or he lied.

Lied about what? His opinion? This is what he said:

“It doesn’t matter how good or bad the product is, the fact is that people don’t read anymore,” he said. “Forty percent of the people in the U.S. read one book or less last year. The whole conception is flawed at the top because people don’t read anymore.”

He was expressing his opinion on why a unitasking e-reader would fail. In retrospect, sales of several million Kindles is obviously not a failure. But saying Jobs "lied" is pretty harsh when he didn't say "I will never sell a tablet with e-reader functionality." There's just no way to read anything more into his comments than mis-reading the market. When he saw that a market was viable he entered it (but notably not with a uni-tasker).

As for "speaking out of ignorance", it's easy to laugh at his mis-read in retrospect, but nobody could predict the Kindle's impact back then.
 
Lied about what? His opinion? This is what he said:

“It doesn’t matter how good or bad the product is, the fact is that people don’t read anymore,” he said. “Forty percent of the people in the U.S. read one book or less last year. The whole conception is flawed at the top because people don’t read anymore.”

He was expressing his opinion on why a unitasking e-reader would fail. In retrospect, sales of several million Kindles is obviously not a failure. But saying Jobs "lied" is pretty harsh when he didn't say "I will never sell a tablet with e-reader functionality." There's just no way to read anything more into his comments than mis-reading the market. When he saw that a market was viable he entered it (but notably not with a uni-tasker).

As for "speaking out of ignorance", it's easy to laugh at his mis-read in retrospect, but nobody could predict the Kindle's impact back then.


I am one of those people ._. I do read just not books.
 
well e-readers like iBooks might get people back into reading. it's mainly because no one wants to carry the book around with them along with the rest of their stuff, but now you combine a bookstore and a computer and you're good to go! I read maybe three or four a year, but now im expecting more reading now that iOS4 can do the multitasking features.
 
As i said...10 years from now. it will be the connection between phone and tablet. and it will be under 0.1 inches thick as will be most of them. and the hard drive space will no longer be a factor as wifi networking will surpass anything we can imagine and it will connect to a twenty terabyte home storage facility connecting wirelessly to any machine be it Apple or anything else. i see the future...

anyway aside from the guru from the future, realistically for iPad2.0 i believe nothing more than a slight specs upgrade. maybe more ram, battery will stay the same, stereo speakers, screen might be a little better but not much, that facetime camera in the back will be hidden within the central Apple icon. and apple will be a huge d*** again and not allow us to export pictures and movies onto a usb device as usual.

As for an iPad 3, i do believe by then they will release a 12". it will still not be a computer, but a media hub like thing to connect ipods and iphones and sync music, photos, and the whatnot. it will be like a backup for your data. and a super ultra fast internet browsing machine.

The word "will" used 14 times. You seem fairly certain of things.
 
hence why i used the word guru. srry i write fiction so i like to make things sound a little mysterious at times ;)
 
"Retina display" is 80% marketing and 20% actual technology as is evident in the difference in the displays on iPhone and iPod touch. Obviously you have no idea what you're talking about. Do some more research.

I don't care what percent of what it is, it looks AMAZING next to any previous generation products. I hadn't the slightest problem with the older screens and now that I have Retina I can ALWAYS tell the difference between the two and would never go back.


We can't see "issues" with Full HD right now but in 3 years when they introduce some "HyperHD" we will be in the same situation.
 
aw, but its so close! oh we... maybe by 2012 before we all die. jk thats complete BS.
It's not, the world is going to end in 2012 -- that's when Windows 8 comes out, it can't be helped.

On topic:

I'm really hoping Apple is able to pull together a retina display for the iPad -- a 2048x1536 resolution (264 PPI).
 
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