Next iPhone SE to Feature 4.7-Inch Display, 2023 Version to Have Hole Punch Full Screen Design

[SactoGuy18]

Essentially, think iPhone SE 3 to have:

1. A14 SoC with 3 GB of RAM (maybe 4 GB of RAM).
2. Qualcomm Snapdragon X65 radio modem chip.
3. New, "pouch-like" battery design for longer battery life per charge.

 

[ApplesAreSweet&Sour]

There's far more to the FaceID hardware than just the actual camera. How do these rumors expect all of that to be crammed into one narrow hole? Makes me think of those product concept mockups which have zero understanding of how the internal hardware would be arranged.

If it is possible to fit in in a singular, small hole like that then it's just too expensive to be feasible in a product right now.

Apple's Face ID is still marketleading and unique to Apple right now so there's next to no way they'd move away from it. I only see the notch getting a little bit smaller in 13 and 14.

But the notch will remain for this 3-year cycle, that is iPhones 12, 13 and 14.

 

[x-evil-x]

In a sense I just can't see Apple utilizing a hole punch design when they are a company that somewhat insists on being distinguishable from their competitors. Like, the "notch" is a significant look that is outstanding enough for one to instantly name that being an iPhone - regardless of it being good or bad in 2021.

Doing away the notch and bringing in a hole punch design, while it would be impressive to see how they combine the FaceID sensors all together and it would be more than cool if that comes true (unless they ditch this authentication method entirely), it doesn't really make sense to me when doing so would blend Apple right into the rest of the market with nothing special to identify the company's product instantly.

what phone companies are going for are full screen phones with no cutouts. No notches. Apple doesn’t care about the notch being distinguishable from the rest. Their idea of a perfect phone like the rest is a full screen phone with no cutouts or notches.
The notch and camera cutouts are a transition point to the ultimate design these companies want and that’s a full screen phone.

 

[Homme]

This is the $399 iPhone SE. Customers aren't buying SE because they want something distinguishable. Apple isn't selling SE to those who want a distinguished iPhone.

A hole punch design is a lot cheaper than a notch cut + TrueDepth. And power button Touch ID is cheaper than a Home button. These designs have been used on less expensive Android devices to reduce cost and Apple is now using the same strategy.

Random Question Jpack but can you imagine a hole punch design with FaceID tech. Would that be possible?

also Apple is only selling SE because for customers who prefer touchID they want something that used to be the best like the classic iPhone shape but with modern specs

as of Ross young hinting next Gen SE may have sub 6Ghz and not MMWave I doubt it, but then that could happen as well.

The only two things SE needs for the future are a Qualcomm modem and a bigger battery

 

[ApplesAreSweet&Sour]

I "love" how all of these "leakers" and analysts won't stop to consider that the current 2nd gen SE hasn't even been out for a full 12 months, and that the 1st gen SE came out in March 2016.

Suggesting there's a new SE in the pipeline for launch in 2022 is how you know these predictions are just fodder for the news cycle.

Late 2023 to early 2024 is the absolute earliest for a 3rd gen SE.

Apple serves the annual upgraders in regular intervals, not the SE crowd.

 

[Yr Blues]

iPhone SE is the best current phone. No notch. No hole-punch.

 

[no_idea]

It cost $29 to replace the screen on my iPhone 12 Pro Max. $130 ouch

I’m assuming you have Apple Care right to get that $29 deal? How much did that cost u? Factor that into your screen replacement price.

 

[snipr125]

Essentially, think iPhone SE 3 to have:

1. A14 SoC with 3 GB of RAM (maybe 4 GB of RAM).
2. Qualcomm Snapdragon X65 radio modem chip.
3. New, "pouch-like" battery design for longer battery life per charge.

The Iphone SE models always get the current A chip, so if this Iphone SE3 is released in 2022 as the rumour states (when the Iphone 13 is on sale), then it should get the A15 Bionic chip, but everything else you said is about right. It may also get 5G, but with a 1800 Mh battery I dont know how that would work LOL.

 

[mkoesel]

'Third generation SE' means the 2022 model. You misspoke then.

I respectfully disagree, but that's ok. We are now on the same page, and that's what's important. 👍

Apple wants to keep it cheap. Meaning the 2022 SE will look identical to the current SE.

Yes, fully agree. Next year's update (assuming it does happen) will consist of enhancements to the existing model.

By the fall of 2023, Apple can offer an iPhone Mini model at a reduced price. Most likely starting at $499. That will be the cheapest iPhone they will offer by that point in their lineup. SE will be gone by then.

It's true that, if the current life-cycle pattern holds, the iPhone XR will be discontinued in September of this year while the 11 should bow out in September 2022. That would leave the iPhone 12 or the iPhone 12 Mini, assuming they keep the latter in the lineup, as the cheapest iPhone in 2023. But will they keep successive generations of the Mini in the lineup when the new generation debuts? I certainly hope so, but we won't know for sure until the iPhone 13/12S (or whatever it's going to be called) arrives later this year.

Irrespective of all of that, we should see a new SE around 2023 (perhaps not until early 2024), and the rumors of the 6.1" screen suggest the XR/11 form factor will get the nod for that device.

I seriously doubt you will see an iPhone with thick bezels in their fall 2023 lineup. That's 2.5 years from now.

It depends on how long they intend to keep the current model (spec-bumped next year or otherwise) in the lineup. Either way, yes, once that model is gone, that'll be the end of the "Home Button" iPhones for good.

 

[now i see it]

The big horrible notch on current iPhones exists because of all the FaceID sensor garbage that's needed when the home button got axed.

Bring back the home button and the notch can be shrunk into a single dot to accommodate the selfi cam

 

[D_J]

There has never been FaceID on the "SE" models.

Plus it seems to use the design of the 12 Mini BUT with only 4.7" display.

I call this as BS on the hole-punch camera. I don't think that can be done on an LCD panel; nobody else in the industry as done it with LCD so why would Apple take a chance on this?

Google the Moto G8. It's already been done.

 

[dba415]

lol at no hole punch until 2023, apple is truly 5 years behind the competition.

 

[JPack]

Random Question Jpack but can you imagine a hole punch design with FaceID tech. Would that be possible?

also Apple is only selling SE because for customers who prefer touchID they want something that used to be the best like the classic iPhone shape but with modern specs

as of Ross young hinting next Gen SE may have sub 6Ghz and not MMWave I doubt it, but then that could happen as well.

The only two things SE needs for the future are a Qualcomm modem and a bigger battery

A hole punch design big enough to accommodate the TrueDepth camera system is a notch.

One camera is a hole punch. Two cameras is a pill cut out. TrueDepth/Face ID has multiple cameras - infrared, flood illuminator, dot projector, and RGB camera. That's a called a notch.



In other words, a hole punch design implies no Face ID.

 

[Homme]

A hole punch design big enough to accommodate the TrueDepth camera system is a notch.

One camera is a hole punch. Two cameras is a pill cut out. TrueDepth/Face ID has multiple cameras - infrared, flood illuminator, dot protector, and RGB camera. That's a called a notch.

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In other words, a hole punch design implies no Face ID.

ah, I actually did forget TrueDepth does requires multiple cameras which is why the notch is there

though I can’t imagine apple going that way though, they invested a lot on FaceID for years though there is better potential for it for an iPad like the 3rd Gen pro than the iPhone (FaceID for iPads are better than iPhones)

 

[Mr. Rod]

There's far more to the FaceID hardware than just the actual camera. How do these rumors expect all of that to be crammed into one narrow hole? Makes me think of those product concept mockups which have zero understanding of how the internal hardware would be arranged.

The SE model doesn't have FaceID.

 

[reyesmac]

Butting up the camera to the edge of the case and adding two black bands the size of the camera hole is not an option? Just put speakers there too and say you did it for the front facing stereo speakers? Whats so hard about that? Also a larger SE just makes too much sense and is too great a value for Apple to every give it away at a good price like the SE's have. They'll need a few more years of jacking up the price to get to a release date.

 

[JPack]

ah, I actually did forget TrueDepth does requires multiple cameras which is why the notch is there

though I can’t imagine apple going that way though, they invested a lot on FaceID for years though there is better potential for it for an iPad like the 3rd Gen pro than the iPhone (FaceID for iPads are better than iPhones)

Face ID is nice, but how does Apple make a $399 iPhone SE for 2022? It can't still have bezels and TrueDepth is expensive. Every Android phone today under $200 uses a full screen design.

Think about the iPad Air. It has to be affordable and full screen, hence no Face ID, but power button Touch ID.

 

[blairh]

I respectfully disagree, but that's ok. We are now on the same page, and that's what's important. 👍

Nothing to disagree about. There have been two generations of the SE. The 2022 model will be the third.

 

[JonGarrett]

In a sense I just can't see Apple utilizing a hole punch design when they are a company that somewhat insists on being distinguishable from their competitors. Like, the "notch" is a significant look that is outstanding enough for one to instantly name that being an iPhone - regardless of it being good or bad in 2021.

Doing away the notch and bringing in a hole punch design, while it would be impressive to see how they combine the FaceID sensors all together and it would be more than cool if that comes true (unless they ditch this authentication method entirely), it doesn't really make sense to me when doing so would blend Apple right into the rest of the market with nothing special to identify the company's product instantly.

You do realize that the notch isn't an apple design either?

Samsung patented the notch design in late 2015, almost 2 years before the iPhone X.

 

[jarman92]

We won't need FaceID anymore if Apple implements Touch ID on the power button like on the iPad Air or embeds Touch ID under the display.

Touch ID is just as super-secure and super-convenient as Face ID. IMO, Touch ID is more super-convenient than Face ID.

Face ID is actually significantly less secure than Touch ID. And the point still remains—Apple isn't going to abandon Face ID just so they can have a hole instead of a notch.

 

[jarman92]

Why are you assuming there will be Face ID for a $399 iPhone?

Have you seen the iPad Air?

Good point. But I find it hard to believe that Apple would have an SE with a hole and a the regular/Pro with a notch. And if the regular/Pro line never has a hole, Apple isn't going to create an entirely new display just for an SE.

 

[trip1ex]

Much better or really dramatically better battery life is probably the only thing that would attract me to a new SE in 2022 as a current SE owner.

That or a bigger screen. I'm cheap though. I didn't get an SE until ~6 months after it came out and dramatically lower price deals were to be had.

 

[Think creative]

I have the current SE, and freaking love it. If I can hold off till the hole punch one, that would be amazing and cheaper iPhones are the way to go. The only reason I might go back to the regular ones is if I get hooked on Pokemon go again... (it drains the smaller battery too quickly if I'm playing a lot).

 

[JPack]

Good point. But I find it hard to believe that Apple would have an SE with a hole and a the regular/Pro with a notch. And if the regular/Pro line never has a hole, Apple isn't going to create an entirely new display just for an SE.

Kuo already said high-end 2022 iPhones will use hole punch. So the design language isn't just for SE.

 

[russell_314]

I’m assuming you have Apple Care right to get that $29 deal? How much did that cost u? Factor that into your screen replacement price.

For me it’s actually cheaper to pay for AppleCare than not get it. If someone’s buying a phone based on the screen replacement cost I would suspect it would be for them too.