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They are OK, I am not so sure about iPhone fans. The only way your phone "automatically" connects to to WiFi and BT is if you keep both radios ON all the time which is not really a smart thing if you care about battery life. But NFC tags an do more than that. They can switch many phone modes. For example, thy can mute the phone for the night if you place a tag on your night stand.

Apple also has a mute switch that can do just that :p

Because not everyone is like you. Personally, I prefer to keep wifi and bluetooth off while not using it since companies and malls are now starting to track people whom are leaving wifi on.

Source? I would like to know more about this.

I have a GNEX and so far I have not found NFC useful so far. Google Wallet only works at a few stores that I do not use, I am not going to buy a 4pk for $15 when I can just toggle the settings I want with the power widget.

Maybe when NFC tags get cheaper I can see it being more useful but for the things they tout now I am fine with spending an extra minute toggling settings and opening apps the "old fashioned way".
 
Chances are when and if Apple implements NFC, they'll do it right and give us something more useful than just S-Beam and making payments at certain stores.

And probably tied to iTunes' payments :)

There are different forms of innovation. Henry Ford was an innovator, even though Daimler and Benz invented the car. Ford found a way to make it affordable.

So by making and selling affordable smartphones around the world, Samsung is like Ford.

To truly innovate, you have to the first in your field to employ new technology. Apple hasn't done this in many years. They just sit back and let others like Samsung and HTC introduce new tech and features, see what works and then add it to their iPhone a year later.

Every company does this, of course.

Some people like to point out the Samsung document detailing ways they could improve, by comparing their UI with the iPhone. E.g. after comparing the two camera apps, the suggested change was "Need to modify so that camera preview appears smoothly."

Likewise, there's no doubt that Apple looked at some things that make other phones popular and decided to implement those as well. E.g. notification shade, FB integration, panoramic photos, auto-text busy replies, browser tab sync, TBT navigation, etc.

Will they all eventually run out of features to differentiate by? What's the next big non-obvious change?
 
If Apple's implementation of NFC is anything like their implementation of Bluetooth, then it is not going to be very useful.
 
Maybe when NFC tags get cheaper I can see it being more useful but for the things they tout now I am fine with spending an extra minute toggling settings and opening apps the "old fashioned way".

10 tags for £6.50 plus delivery.

I ran out of things to do with them and I've got like 15 sitting on my desk. Been looking online for inspiration!
 
10 tags for £6.50 plus delivery.

I ran out of things to do with them and I've got like 15 sitting on my desk. Been looking online for inspiration!

I wonder if the time you've spent looking online for inspiration is longer than how long it would have taken to manually toggle a few settings...

I'm mostly being facetious though, it's a pretty cool feature.
 
I wonder if the time you've spent looking online for inspiration is longer than how long it would have taken to manually toggle a few settings...

I'm mostly being facetious though, it's a pretty cool feature.

No doubt :p Although I've already set up the ones to change my settings.

I saw one online about how you can have guests scan an NFC tag to give them access to your WiFi network. Pretty cool. They'd obviously need to be running an NFC capable Android phone though.
 
So by making and selling affordable smartphones around the world, Samsung is like Ford.


Not necessarily. Others had done it first, including Apple. Samsung is actually rather late to the game. They do have some legitimate innovations, such as finding a decent use for a stylus.
 
I think the idea of NFC is pretty cool, but I'm definitely an iPhone kind of girl, and I wouldn't switch to Android to get it. I'm excited for Apple to implement it in future devices, mostly because I trust that Apple is waiting until they have a full grasp of the technology before giving it to their customers.

Also a question about NFC in, say, a Galaxy SIII, mostly because my parents both just got them and I think it'd be cool to play around with the feature and see if they like it:

Are the tags only activated by placing your phone on top of them? Like could I stick a tag that turns off Bluetooth, turns on Wi-Fi, turns on sound near the entryway of their house and have those settings be activated without them having to touch the tag with their phone?

My dad uses his phone as a radio in the car because his broke, so he'd love it if the radio station's app would turn on automatically when he places his phone onto a certain place in his car!
 
To truly innovate, you have to the first in your field to employ new technology. Apple hasn't done this in many years. They just sit back and let others like Samsung and HTC introduce new tech and features, see what works and then add it to their iPhone a year later.

Apple does not try to innovate. The try to build the product that normal non geek people want. As there are many more of them than of us, Apple makes the most profitable phone in the industry. You do know that is the reason we sell things right?
 
I think the idea of NFC is pretty cool, but I'm definitely an iPhone kind of girl, and I wouldn't switch to Android to get it. I'm excited for Apple to implement it in future devices, mostly because I trust that Apple is waiting until they have a full grasp of the technology before giving it to their customers.

Also a question about NFC in, say, a Galaxy SIII, mostly because my parents both just got them and I think it'd be cool to play around with the feature and see if they like it:

Are the tags only activated by placing your phone on top of them? Like could I stick a tag that turns off Bluetooth, turns on Wi-Fi, turns on sound near the entryway of their house and have those settings be activated without them having to touch the tag with their phone?

My dad uses his phone as a radio in the car because his broke, so he'd love it if the radio station's app would turn on automatically when he places his phone onto a certain place in his car!

NFC works from a very short distance. You can buy NFC tags with different strengths, but it tends to work from around 2cm to 1". You don't actually have to touch the tag, you just have to hold the phone up to the tag. I keep a tag in my wallet and the tag can penetrate the wallet without me having to take it out.

As for the radio example.. you could have a tag automatically launch the radio app, yeah. You can't automatically make it play though, so hopefully the radio app he uses does that anyway!

The screen has to be on and the phone unlocked for tags to work.
 
For those who don't charge their phones overnight, people use NFC tags to mute the phone and disable auto-sync. You could do that on the iPhone too if they supported it - enable silent mode and disable push notifications so as to conserve battery life throughout the night.

Do you seriously think the typical iPhone user wants to sit around and set up near field communication tags all day? You're a geek and most of the word is not technically inclined. Hell, I have to break down most iPhone functions for my coworkers.

At this point NFC would be to complicated for the typical iPhone user. It needs to "just work" and be "magical".
 
Apple does not try to innovate. The try to build the product that normal non geek people want. As there are many more of them than of us, Apple makes the most profitable phone in the industry. You do know that is the reason we sell things right?

It's not that they don't innovate, it's that they only innovate where they feel they can solve a problem better than any existing solution. The new A6 processor is an example of innovation. Instead of using existing A9 chips or moving to A15 chips that were meant for servers, they designed their own that is both powerful AND energy efficient. They solved a problem with this design.

They don't feel NFC solves any problems.
 
Do you seriously think the typical iPhone user wants to sit around and set up near field communication tags all day? You're a geek and most of the word is not technically inclined. Hell, I have to break down most iPhone functions for my coworkers.

At this point NFC would be to complicated for the typical iPhone user. It needs to "just work" and be "magical".

Setting up an NFC tag takes 20 seconds. Anybody who finds themselves repeating certain tasks over and over on their phones can benefit from them.

It wouldn't even take all day to set up 100 tags :)
 
It's not that they don't innovate, it's that they only innovate where they feel they can solve a problem better than any existing solution. The new A6 processor is an example of innovation. Instead of using existing A9 chips or moving to A15 chips that were meant for servers, they designed their own that is both powerful AND energy efficient. They solved a problem with this design.

They don't feel NFC solves any problems.

True, I agree with that.
 
You're looking at EXAMPLES we've given, but they can do a lot more.

heh heh, but isn't it the problem? What can I do with an NFC capable phone today after I turn it on? I can think of nothing... I saw commercial from Samsung about bumping two S3 together to exchange photo. I saw a commercial about an NFC capable phone bump a NFC capable boombox and start streaming music (but I need to buy a NFC capable boombox.. is it that much better than my audio system already hook up to Apple TV?). So if I need to impress my significant others with NFC, what can I do out of the box?

good or bad, we are in a 1 year for some and 2 years for the rest of us, smart phone purchase cycle. If I want to pay money for an NFC capable phone, I want features that I can use today.. If it take a couple year to get there, my next phone will handle that.

Japan is the only place that NFC is really useful since they use it for a lot of the place for payment.. But here is US?? I am still scratching my head of what to do if I get an NFC phone..
 
I already have NFC on my credit card. I have had it for nearly a year. The number of times I have been able to use it? 0

If NFC catches on more, I'm sure Apple will implement it. Until then, visual bar codes via Passport seem a more viable and flexible alternative.
 
heh heh, but isn't it the problem? What can I do with an NFC capable phone today after I turn it on? I can think of nothing... I saw commercial from Samsung about bumping two S3 together to exchange photo. I saw a commercial about an NFC capable phone bump a NFC capable boombox and start streaming music (but I need to buy a NFC capable boombox.. is it that much better than my audio system already hook up to Apple TV?). So if I need to impress my significant others with NFC, what can I do out of the box?

good or bad, we are in a 1 year for some and 2 years for the rest of us, smart phone purchase cycle. If I want to pay money for an NFC capable phone, I want features that I can use today.. If it take a couple year to get there, my next phone will handle that.

Japan is the only place that NFC is really useful since they use it for a lot of the place for payment.. But here is US?? I am still scratching my head of what to do if I get an NFC phone..

The majority of this thread has been dedicated to what you can do with NFC tags TODAY. I'm not going to repeat it all again :p

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I already have NFC on my credit card. I have had it for nearly a year. The number of times I have been able to use it? 0

If NFC catches on more, I'm sure Apple will implement it. Until then, visual bar codes via Passport seem a more viable and flexible alternative.

NFC isn't just for payments.
 
Are you really that dumb that you turn it on and off all day? The phone makes it through the day just fine with them on. There's rarely a need to turn them off.

And you obviously haven't experienced using your phone as a grocery list in a store that has password protected wi-fi and everytime you turn your phone on to see what else you need you get this obnoxious pop up asking if you want to connect to wi-fi. No!!! yoU can't connect to any of the ones you're asking about anyways, quit asking!!!! And if I bother to turn it off, then I forget to turn it on back home where I do want it to connect for some features (like synching my phone to the computer without me having to do anything but plug it in or synching my finance program from my desktop to the mobile client).

I wish apple would either do something about it always asking if you want to connect to wi-fi or having it never connect unless you go into settings and ask (They could at least program it to only ask if it senses new connections that you didn't tell it not to connect to. When I'm in the same store and have been there for maybe 15 minutes I shouldn't have to keep telling it no). Personally, I don't need NFC to do that, all I need is for apple to let me toggle a widget even on the notification screen that lets me turn wi-fi on and off manually rather than having to go to the screen that has my settings, go into settings, go into general, turn on or off wifi. It's ridiculous (and a pet peeve if you can't tell). I'd be perfectly happy if they even just implemented that.

Honestly, I see NFC for these uses more of a stop gap for the clunky way apple lets you turn on wi-fi and blue tooth. It would work and make it less annoying, but honestly what I really think needs to happen is apple needs to realize for settings like those they need to make them much more easier accessed. They are supposed to be good when it comes to good UI. But I don't consider that good UI. That would solve a lot more problems than NFC (I'm not going to have NFC tags all over some one's store).
 
Setting up an NFC tag takes 20 seconds. Anybody who finds themselves repeating certain tasks over and over on their phones can benefit from them.

It wouldn't even take all day to set up 100 tags :)

Please. Who in their right mind wants 100 tags around their house? If you tried to place one on the Ethan Allan nightstand in an American master bedroom, you'd find that the response would not be printable in this family friendly forum. Instead I go to settings and turn on Do Not Disturb and set my phone to not provides alerts after 11PM. As it is software, I can select to allow for any one of my apps to override and I can select to allow my favorite callers to be put through. Any one who calls twice in 5 mins is treated as an emergency. I only make these settings once and then they are automatic. And I need no tags on my multi thousand $ bedroom furniture.
 
Because not everyone is like you. Personally, I prefer to keep wifi and bluetooth off while not using it since companies and malls are now starting to track people whom are leaving wifi on.

Do you even know how the iPhone works? You can connect automatically only to preselected wifi and not have it prompted to connect to any open wifi. Otherwise you could use a tinfoil hat.
 
Please. Who in their right mind wants 100 tags around their house? If you tried to place one on the Ethan Allan nightstand in most American master bedrooms you'd find that the response would not be printable in this family friendly forum. Instead I go to settings and turn on Do Not Disturb and set my phone to not provides alerts after 11PM. As it is software, I can select to allow for any one of my apps to override and I can select to allow my favorite callers to be put through. Any one who calls twice in 5 mins is treated as an emergency. I only make these settings once and then they are automatic. And I need no tags on my multi thousand $ bedroom furniture.

Then don't buy them. Form is clearly more important than function for you, that's your prerogative. Why are you in this thread? NFC is clearly not for you.
 
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