NFL 2021/2022

[maflynn]

Looks like Murray is maybe regretting his actrions or more importantly, it did not have the desired affect, quite the opposite.
I see he posted this "Arizona Cardinals QB Kyler Murray: 'All of this nonsense is not what I'm about'

What I find humorous is that he started that nonsense. I think he wanted the Josh Allen treatment, but the Cardnials are under no compunction to re-negotiate his contract. I know at this point they can, but they're not required too. They can commit to his 5th year, and not pay him an exorbitant salary (well not exorbitant vs. other QBs), and then they can tag him 2x and its still a bargain vs. what Josh Allen is getting. I'm not saying they ought to do that, but that's within their power. Right now as of 2022, the Cardinals franchise has all of the power, they can keep him as QB for the next 3 seasons without needing to sign him to a new contract.

I don't think most teams including the Cardinals would do that, but there's no harm in slow playing this process either.

btw, as a self-admitted boomer, I think he come off as whiney and immature, but I'm also old and crotchety

 

[satcomer]

Looks like Murray is maybe regretting his actrions or more importantly, it did not have the desired affect, quite the opposite.
I see he posted this "Arizona Cardinals QB Kyler Murray: 'All of this nonsense is not what I'm about'

What I find humorous is that he started that nonsense. I think he wanted the Josh Allen treatment, but the Cardnials are under no compunction to re-negotiate his contract. I know at this point they can, but they're not required too. They can commit to his 5th year, and not pay him an exorbitant salary (well not exorbitant vs. other QBs), and then they can tag him 2x and its still a bargain vs. what Josh Allen is getting. I'm not saying they ought to do that, but that's within their power. Right now as of 2022, the Cardinals franchise has all of the power, they can keep him as QB for the next 3 seasons without needing to sign him to a new contract.

I don't think most teams including the Cardinals would do that, but there's no harm in slow playing this process either.

btw, as a self-admitted boomer, I think he come off as whiney and immature, but I'm also old and crotchety

I’m going to rub you the wrong way, Gen X have always been the complaints of babe x and others because of their opinions!

 

[Gregg2]

Joe Burrow I'm sure you're going win at least a of couple of titles in your time.

As I mentioned above, that didn't pan out for Dan Marino. He played in one Super Bowl, in either his first or second season as the starting QB. Nothing is guaranteed. The Packers won XXXI and were already talking about a "three-peat" right before playing in XXXII, which they lost (to the Broncos). The talk of a Green Bay dynasty pretty much ended right there.

 

[pachyderm]

As I mentioned above, that didn't pan out for Dan Marino. He played in one Super Bowl, in either his first or second season as the starting QB. Nothing is guaranteed. The Packers won XXXI and were already talking about a "three-peat" right before playing in XXXII, which they lost (to the Broncos). The talk of a Green Bay dynasty pretty much ended right there.

Fair point.

I think it will turn out differently for Joe... but they've got to block better.

 

[Macky-Mac]

Fair point.

I think it will turn out differently for Joe... but they've got to block better.

Yup, they've got to block better......AND he has to stay healthy, have good receivers, running backs and various other things such as a good defense........AND he'll need to be lucky.

Hmmmm, maybe 10 or 12 years down the road they'll trade him to the Rams who will have gone thru several failed replacements for Stafford by then......and then maybe he'll get lucky

The Bengals sure made a great run at the title and deserve lots of respect. It'll be interesting to see what they do next year

 

[ucfgrad93]

Who knows if he’ll ever make it back to the Super Bowl, but I think Joe has a promising career ahead of him.

 

[44267547]

Rumor is the Eagles are targeting Jimmy Garoppolo from the 49ers. Honestly, I could easily see him playing in Philadelphia.

Which leads me to wonder, who does the 49ers fill such a major role in place of Garoppolo leaving eventually.

 

[TheIntruder]

Rodgers is a prima donna, but at least he's accomplished enough to back it up. Murray, not so much, at least yet.

Marino and the two Marks set lots of records that SB season, but they had the misfortune of facing some skinny guy named Montana in that game. The team around him wasn't too shabby either. The recent series about him is worth watching, BTW.

I think Burrow has shown he has the mettle, but the Bengals faced a deeper team in the Rams, and still came close to pulling it off. A certain level of QB play is needed, and does make life much easier, but I can think of a few past SB winners who only had serviceable QBs, so it can be done without a great one.

It's sort of amusing how the Rams won, but then everyone is talking about retiring and quitting. I don't think the great Lakers teams, or other sports dynasties had that attitude. Perhaps they see the writing on the wall, with the number of free agents, and dearth of draft picks they'll have.

The 49ers drafted their QBOTF last year, so Garoppolo and his big contract need to be moved.

 

[maflynn]

but the Bengals faced a deeper team

Where I live, the Bengals were not on tv, I did not see any game this year, but then I'm not a fan of them, so its not like I'm missing out. With that said, I learned during the SB, that the Bengals were the team with the most touchdowns outside of the 20 yard line, that is, they were not possession type team.

I'm of the opinion it will be much harder next year for them to repeat the successes, they need to have some ability for ball/time control AND they need to protect Burrows, he cannot continue to get beaten up like he was this past season.

 

[rhett7660]

Where I live, the Bengals were not on tv, I did not see any game this year, but then I'm not a fan of them, so its not like I'm missing out. With that said, I learned during the SB, that the Bengals were the team with the most touchdowns outside of the 20 yard line, that is, they were not possession type team.

I'm of the opinion it will be much harder next year for them to repeat the successes, they need to have some ability for ball/time control AND they need to protect Burrows, he cannot continue to get beaten up like he was this past season.

He was sacked and hit way to many times. If that keeps up, he will have a short career. The Bangles need to protect him better than they have been so I hope they are smart enough to see this and go after some OL personnel.

 

[ucfgrad93]

He was sacked and hit way to many times. If that keeps up, he will have a short career. The Bangles need to protect him better than they have been so I hope they are smart enough to see this and go after some OL personnel.

Agreed, they need to focus on the OL.

 

[Macky-Mac]

He was sacked and hit way to many times. If that keeps up, he will have a short career....

yup, his rookie year was cut short by injuries and during this season's playoffs he was sacked 9 times in one of the games and 7 times in the SB.......Bengals need to get him some protection

 

[Mousse]

Rumor is the Eagles are targeting Jimmy Garoppolo from the 49ers. Honestly, I could easily see him playing in Philadelphia.

Which leads me to wonder, who does the 49ers fill such a major role in place of Garoppolo leaving eventually.

They already have their guy. They drafted Trey Lance because Jimmy GQ has durability issues. Jimmy was already on the way out when the 49er's spent a bounty to move up for Trey.

 

[44267547]

They already have their guy. They drafted Trey Lance because Jimmy GQ has durability issues. Jimmy was already on the way out when the 49er's spent a bounty to move up for Trey.

Yeah, totally forgot that they have Trey Lance.

I said it before, and I know that not everybody shares my thoughts on this, I feel bad for Garoppolo. I think he has a lot of talent, and he put the 49ers in some really successful situations, but couldn’t execute when needed. I hope things work out for him.

 

[Macky-Mac]

..... I feel bad for Garoppolo. I think he has a lot of talent, and he put the 49ers in some really successful situations, but couldn’t execute when needed....

He falls into an unfortunate category of NFL quarterbacks.......talented but inconsistent. His career will go on for a while because there are always mediocre teams looking for a talented somebody to help them improve

 

[yitwail]

Yeah, totally forgot that they have Trey Lance.

I said it before, and I know that not everybody shares my thoughts on this, I feel bad for Garoppolo. I think he has a lot of talent, and he put the 49ers in some really successful situations, but couldn’t execute when needed. I hope things work out for him.

Jimmy G will be laughing all the way to the bank though, because luckily for him, there's no can't miss top QB in the draft this year, so I'd be shocked if he isn't starting somewhere this year.

 

[Fozzybadfeet]

Jimmy G will be laughing all the way to the bank though, because luckily for him, there's no can't miss top QB in the draft this year, so I'd be shocked if he isn't starting somewhere this year.

He'll be starting for a team for sure next season.

 

[maflynn]

I feel bad for Garoppolo. I think he has a lot of talent, and he put the 49ers in some really successful situations, but couldn’t execute when needed.

That's the issue for him - who could not execute? The team or him? And then add on to that, is his propensity to get injured too much. That will directly impact how will sign him, and for how much.

I do believe he's a very talented athlete capable of winning games for a team, but I don't believe he'll see Kirk Cousins, John Allen type of money.

I think the failure to execute was more on the coaching then on one particular players, the more I see how they play, the more I wonder about Kyle Shanahan

 

[yitwail]

I do believe he's a very talented athlete capable of winning games for a team, but I don't believe he'll see Kirk Cousins, John Allen type of money.

Josh (not John) Allen is on another level talent-wise than Jimmy G or Cousins. Cousins has a really shrewd agent.

 

[ucfgrad93]

Josh (not John) Allen is on another level talent-wise than Jimmy G or Cousins. Cousins has a really shrewd agent.

Agreed. Josh Allen is a much better QB than either Cousins or Garoppolo.

 

[44267547]

That's the issue for him - who could not execute? The team or him? And then add on to that, is his propensity to get injured too much. That will directly impact how will sign him, and for how much.

I do believe he's a very talented athlete capable of winning games for a team, but I don't believe he'll see Kirk Cousins, John Allen type of money.

I think the failure to execute was more on the coaching then on one particular players, the more I see how they play, the more I wonder about Kyle Shanahan

Well, how does one prevent from getting injured too much? There’s so many variables at play here. Is it his defensive line that’s covering him, that is not up to par or is it just unfortunate circumstances where he’s put in vulnerable situations where he is injured? I guess what I’m saying is, it’s not like he has bad genetics or something where he just falls and gets injured. I think it comes down to it’s such a physical support, he likely suffers injuries because he doesn’t have the proper protection from being hurried or either sacked too much.

But I agree, I think the failure is to reflect more on the coaching than it is on particular players.

I was at a restaurant earlier in the afternoon on Friday, and a tag headliner was on one of the TV at a restaurant earlier in the afternoon on Friday, and a tag headliner was on one of the TVs, should the 49ers try to accrue Aaron Rodgers when Garoppolo is traded? Now that Aaron Rodgers is no longer engaged to his fiancé and separated according to multiple sources on Wednesday, maybe he has more time now to reflect on playing football then playing family man and not being a father, given he really has nothing else to look forward to, other than retirement.

 

[Fozzybadfeet]

I don't believe any talks of either Brady or Rodgers as a possibility for the 49ers. The team gave up 3 1st round picks to move up and draft Trey Lance. With all the stories/clips being released about how enamored and impressed the Niners are about Trey, I think the Niners should just play him and get the experience to become the QB the franchise hopes he can be.

That's the issue for him - who could not execute? The team or him? And then add on to that, is his propensity to get injured too much. That will directly impact how will sign him, and for how much.

I do believe he's a very talented athlete capable of winning games for a team, but I don't believe he'll see Kirk Cousins, John Allen type of money.

I think the failure to execute was more on the coaching then on one particular players, the more I see how they play, the more I wonder about Kyle Shanahan

The issue is with unfortunately with Jimmy. IMO, he looked so free and relaxed when he joined the Niners in 2016 and led the team to win the final 5 games of the season. But for some reason, his mechanics regressed. His quick passes really looked like he was the QB learning behind Tom Brady. But over the years, we've seen that his tends to get inconsistent and can't throw the deep ball that Kyle needs in his offense. Once the opposing defenses figured that out, they had the advantage on him.

Is it injuries? I mean, you can say his knee injury in 2017 could have been avoided by simply stepping out of bounds sooner than trying to stutter step into a slide. But IDK how you blame him for a high-ankle sprain? I don't think injuries will be his 'downfall'. He played through the remainder of the season fairly well.

IMO, I think it was his inaccuracy to consistently throw the throws that he should've simply made. The throw against the Titans where he had a wide-open Juice wide open and he overthrew him and his inability to throw an accurate pass off a bootleg. I feel like he plays well when he's under pressure and he just has to let it rip.

Is it Kyle's system? I mean it could be. The moment Kyle became HC everyone has reported and talked about how there is so much to learn in his playbook. Kyle has the tendency to go super conservative with the lead. Something he's really never learned when he was the OC in Atlanta. IMO, it's something that honestly annoys me. He's supposed to be this offensive guru but there were plenty of games where his play-calling became too simple or he moved away from the plays that were working for them earlier in the game. (Stopped going to Deebo 12 minutes left in the 4th qtr in the NFC championship or using Trent Williams as a decoy lead block. Use him as a lead block and call a run to the outside). One thing is for sure, Kyle needs to get Kittle involved in the passing game more often. The guy is way too talented of a receiver to be blocking majority of the game.

I think the Niners can get a 2nd RD pick for him. A team will have to be really desperate to give up a 1st RD pick for Jimmy. But with the QB pool coming out of the draft, who knows? Maybe they get a deal similar to what the Colts traded for Carson Wentz. I also think Jimmy will have do better the rest of his career in a more 'traditional' offense.

 

[maflynn]

Well, how does one prevent from getting injured too much?

There are some people who just get injured more often then others. I don't know if its luck, or some inherent weakness in their body. I'm not knocking Jimmy G, but its clear when a player gets a reputation of oft injured they find it harder to land somewhere and/or get a large quarterback.

Just look at Tua, he was the presumed #1 pick, granted he dropped to number 5, but it was clear that his injuries in college hurt his reputation. Now as a dolphin, look how many times he got hurt.

Tua Tagovailoa injury history: A complete timeline of injuries for Dolphins QB | Sporting News

Tua Tagovailoa injury history: A timeline of injuries for Dolphins QB

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But for some reason, his mechanics regressed.

He certainly regressed, I hope he finds a team that he can again be relaxed and shows his skills. I can't blame him for not being relaxed in SF, simply because they seemed to loss faith in him rather quickly.

 

[44267547]

There are some people who just get injured more often then others. I don't know if its luck, or some inherent weakness in their body. I'm not knocking Jimmy G, but its clear when a player gets a reputation of oft injured they find it harder to land somewhere and/or get a large quarterback.

Just look at Tua, he was the presumed #1 pick, granted he dropped to number 5, but it was clear that his injuries in college hurt his reputation. Now as a dolphin, look how many times he got hurt

As an athlete myself, primarily being a weightlifter/bodybuilder for years, serious injuries are preventable with proper form and managing weight you know you’re capable of. The difference being as a football player, there are so many unknown variables when it comes to impact the player isn’t expecting, how well the player is protected from the line, degree/angle of fall, and is it a repeated injury in the same location, minor/major injury, ect. I could go on forever about this, but you get the point.

When you look at quarterbacks traditionally, I look at players like Ben Roethlisberger, who is a pretty big guy, and he’s had a career that hasn’t been riddled with injuries.

Genetics play a certain role to an extent, yes. But NFL football is played to such a physicality to an extreme, we could probably build an itemized book of players that could post nagging injuries week after week that may or may not even be reported. I don’t suspect there’s any pattern with somebody just getting ‘injured’, I truly do believe it’s just the circumstances of the situation that certain players are put in because of vulnerabilities, more than it is ‘Pre-determined.’ From my perspective, the variables are infinite, and I don’t suspect it’s just anyone specific player that has bad luck with injuries, unless it’s reinjuring the same area constantly over and over again.

 

[maflynn]

I could go on forever about this, but you get the point.

I'm not disagreeing with you but rather, I'm saying there are some players that have a reputation of being injury prone and that has hurt them (no pun intended) whether we're talking contracts or free agency. It really doesn't matter if its luck, being at the wrong place at the wrong time, or genetics. If a team thinks player A has been injured too much (there's a high likelihood they'll be injured in the future), they'll go with player B.

I do think there's something to it, and I'm an athlete as well and have had my share of injuries. You have players like Farve, Brady, and Rodgers who have been in the league for so long but have had only a few injuries, where as you have Tua and Jimmy G who haven't been playing long and both have an extensive injury list.