This is common with every GPS watch that also has an internal accelerometer. Without being able to create a baseline of your running style using GPS to track actual mileage vs the movement of your wrist, the watch is guessing. Probably guessing based on height/weight based averages. So it'd be close for some people and not so close for others. Do a few outdoor runs with GPS and it should tune in to you a lot better.
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Nike+ Watch and NRC First Weekend Run Thoughts
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xDKP
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Mine was actually spot on the other day but when I started halfway to increase the speed the accuracy started to drop. It didn't account for the speed increase enough
Yep - gait changes confound the things.
While not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, an accelerometer attached to your shoe (aka a footpod) will nearly always trump an accelerometer attached to your wrist when it comes to indoor pace/distance measurements.
Night Spring
macrumors P6
I feel like i'm the only person who runs "small" distances. 5-10km. It seems like eveyrone else here in the thread runs marathons every other week.
I don't like the fact there isn't a "hand off". Start a run on the phone and then have the stats on your wrist. it's one or the other. The fonts could be bigger when you're running. But i've only tried it once. Eager to try again.
Can you run a Nike run plus an activitiy run simaltaneously on the watch?
I don't like the fact there isn't a "hand off". Start a run on the phone and then have the stats on your wrist. it's one or the other. The fonts could be bigger when you're running. But i've only tried it once. Eager to try again.
Can you run a Nike run plus an activitiy run simaltaneously on the watch?
Don't worry @Juiceboy , i run the same. Anything over 10K, and I'm toast.
There is a handoff. You can start the Nike Running app on the phone and have it shown on the wrist. That has worked for me on a few occasions. Just turn off audio on the phone so you don't hear things twice.
Not sure about the simultaneous Activity vs Nike thing
Wow! Just had to jump in here and say that is amazing! How are your knees? I am running my first 5k this weekend and I worry my previous weight has caused my knees to start making noise. I am following up with my knee doctor next week.
Probably the question I get asked most frequently, my response about my knees-"they are as knobby as they were in high school". Please know how grateful I am that I have had very few running related injuries. My advice to all runners, especially newbies is to take your time, walk, slog- that is slow jogging. Make it fun, then you will stick with it. My motto- Start off EZ, then back off.
I attribute my longevity with running to consistently running 2-3 minutes SLOWER than my 5 K race pace. Taking rest days and making my running my play. Nick
I am slow! I feel that my body doesn't understand running like it does swimming (which is much better for me but the pool ruins my skin and hair😉. Anyway, I am only doing about a 13-14 min mile so it is a low jog😉. But I am improving my fitness slowly! I run a little quicker on the treadmill. Glad you haven't had a lot of injuries! Sending good vibes that that continues for you!
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Hopefully, you meant to write "glad you haven't had a lot of injuries"🙂
Don't worry about pace. Just keep moving- gentle. Again, if you go ez it will get easier and your pace will improve if you are patient. One of the best life lessons from my 4 decades of running is patience. Well for a Type A guy, I am now a Type B+ guy.
Yes! Sorry, I meant glad you haven't had a lot of injuries! I am being patient and know it will get easier with time!🙂. Thanks!
xDKP
macrumors 68030
No worries mate - I'm also at the 5-10k stage at the moment - Have run couple of marathons in the past, but not the current state of my running.
I am thinking about a marathon next spring/summer though - One of the aspects would be to try out my AW S2 for it
Don't fret, there are plenty of 5 & 10k runners here.
I prefer the 10k race distance, with a few 5K's and the occasional half for variety. I've run a couple of full marathons and the training load was tough to fit in with work and family.
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Ha, I'm the complete reverse. I've been able to swim since I was a kid, but escaping the heat. Pool/lane swimming? Complete newbie... but I really ought to build that skill "one of these days"...
Night Spring
macrumors P6
From the watch, I doubt it. They'd both use the heart rate monitor, and it seems you can only run one app that use the heart rate monitor at a time. You can start a Nike run on your phone, and run a workout on your watch at the same time. I've done that.
AppleWarMachine
macrumors 65816
I have the Nike Edition (using NRC app) and I am having the same problem, when my fingers are sweaty or wet from running in the rain, I find it very difficult to pause and end my run. I have to tap it about a dozen times before it will respond. They should update the app/watch, so you can pause/end your run with one of the two buttons on the side of the watch.
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If you are using the Apple Workout app you can pause a run by pressing the Digital Crown and Former Friends buttons simultaneously. Then you still have to hit the end button on the screen, but at least the run is paused.
If using the NRC app, you can double tap the screen to pause a run then click the on-screen end button.
Night Spring
macrumors P6
Yes, that would be a useful feature. Let's all send feedback, hopefully Apple will listen!
http://www.apple.com/feedback/
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Didn't know about hitting both buttons at once, but isn't that the same button press for taking a screenshot, if you have that enabled?
Also, am I the only one who find it difficult to get fingers in position to push both buttons at once? For something like pausing/stopping a run, wouldn't it be better to assign it to a single button?
Dounble tap screen doesn't help with the issue of wet/sweaty fingers.
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Doesn't work so good when your hands are dripping with sweat unfortunately...
NRC needs to have a hardware button pause capability.
+1. I wish Nike had more real runners on their development team. Issues regarding sweaty fingers/ rain issues should have been readily apparent when they began initial testing. One of the reasons I like the Garmin235 is how sensible and effective the buttons are to use regardless of excessive water issues- be it Florida heat/humidity or seriously heavy rain storms/squalls.
Garmin's development team has been really Jekyll and Hyde over the years. On one hand they release the capacitive touch-bezel 405/405cx/410 that suffered from all the usual issues rain and sweat cause capacitive touch systems. On the other hand they release a rock solid watch in the 610 that pretty much just plain worked (its touch screen was resistive, so it was immune to water).
Then they release the 620 as the 610's successor, with a much poorer GPS implementation, removal of an entire feature set (cycle mode) along with other feature removals, and only produce it in gawdy colors unsuitable for semi-conservative all-day wear that the all-black 610 allowed. WTF?
The 235 is a pretty good running watch, albeit with a couple of quirks even now, long after release. It took them months to allow footpod as speed source. Auto-RHR is all over the plance and manually set RHR doesn't seem to stick in the most recent updates (though I've not explored it deeply). Smart watch capabilities are rudimentary and unidirectional, plus lately I've had issues with it maintaining connection to my phone.
Back to the Apple Watch -- it has promise, I think the hardware is there for those needing under four hours continuous operation, and it's a matter of software now. I'll use NRC until Strava or others update and potentially offer greater capabilities. I *really* like that it can directly play music to my bluetooth running headphones and I can leave my ipod nano behind.
To your point about the developers; if I had to guess, any runners on the team likely come from a running-with-a-phone perspective and simply aren't familiar with how things are different when you leave the phone behind.
Night Spring
macrumors P6
Yup, the NRC app was originally conceived for being used from the iPhone, and seems like very little thought and effort was spent on reconceiving it for running with the watch only. It makes me wonder if the Nike+ Watch was a last-minute deal. The band is great, but everything else about it feels hastily put together.
It seems to work ok for me since it is recognizing pressure on the screen in any location to pause without having to locate and push a button. I used to find it impossible to pause the Apple Workout app, but no issues with the NRC app with sweaty fingers.
Except for the microscopic size of the heart rate value .. I really like the NRC app. Really like getting the audio feedback every .25 mile thru my BT earbuds. Also like that I can get my runs to Strava from NRC with RunGap. I am sure they will improve it over time.
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Thats why auto pause is great, my apple watch loving friends! If your disgusting tired bodies are still dripping buckets of sweat, you can wait it out for a minute and your run is still paused. Then, after you've air dried, you're good to go. 😉
At least that's my way of doing it.....
At least that's my way of doing it.....
Interesting. I was having trouble with it pausing/resuming a couple days ago near the end of a run and it seemed like it was due to sweat. I will test further.
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Yes, auto pause is a great thing, I've used it for years on my Garmin watches.
Too bad it doesn't work with NRC in stand-alone mode at this time. (i.e. leaving you phone behind)
I'm hoping Nike fixes this, or Strava implements it when they release a version supporting standalone mode.
What i found is that we can pause a run with Siri.
http://support-en-us.nikeplus.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/67393/kw/pause run
Only available on Nike watch. This works also without iPhone
http://support-en-us.nikeplus.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/67393/kw/pause run
Only available on Nike watch. This works also without iPhone