Granted parental controls are a nice feature, but the responsibility rests ultimately with the parents - not Apple, not wal-mart, and not Google.
The default position should never be to censor.
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NiN's Trent Reznor Speaks Out on Apple's App Store Rejection Policies
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Granted parental controls are a nice feature, but the responsibility rests ultimately with the parents - not Apple, not wal-mart, and not Google.
The default position should never be to censor.
And don't forget that the video for Only is basically a 4 minute long Apple commercial.
Lol this is an awful lot of press for a point that has been expressed many times before, and with more eloquence! Don't get me
wrong, I agree with the sentiment but I can't help feeling this is as much about jumping on a bandwagon and selling records as it is a genuine attempt
at a new and fresh contribution to an existing
debate...
wrong, I agree with the sentiment but I can't help feeling this is as much about jumping on a bandwagon and selling records as it is a genuine attempt
at a new and fresh contribution to an existing
debate...
Big freaking deal. I don't get what the hell this thing is against someone making money. Where is goddamn Iron Maiden or Metallica or Britney Spears or any other goddamn band with their remix sites, $100,000-yet-free iPhone applications, free albums, leaked tracks before albums are released, hundreds of free tickets scattered around the world for fans to find, et cetera? They have the money. Probably more money than Trent does, yet Trent's being called the selfish one because he charges for a t-shirt or a concert ticket? Woe is me!
So? Given his recent track record, it would be difficult to paint Reznor as someone trying to squeeze fans for a quick buck.
Yes, they are spammers of the App Store and bring up another issue with Apple's approval system / rules: should this kind of spamming be allowed?holy crap
They have 55 pages of apps!!!
so typical; you as a parent are responsible four your kid. not the rest of the world. why should everybody but you do the job parenting your kid?
Yeah, he sure answered that rejection like a responsible adult. Way to have professional bearing. He may push Apple products, and carry influence, but he acts like he wears a diaper.
Agreed. If your kid downloads things you have instructed them not to (and this bothers you), you have failed as a parent.
Keyboards and mice are unpluggable for a reason, and kids don't need iPhones.
This problem is easily fixed with a parental rating system for the app store. Down the road, I can see Apple implementing such a system so they can allow explicit materials. As of right now, there is no way to control what your child downloads on the app store...but as others have stated, you can limit what they download on iTunes. Stupid argument really.....apples and oranges.
Overall, I don't believe in censorship one bit. I would love to see Apple offer an Adults app section on the app store (not porn). It's the parents job to regulate what their kids are allowed to see / use.
Overall, I don't believe in censorship one bit. I would love to see Apple offer an Adults app section on the app store (not porn). It's the parents job to regulate what their kids are allowed to see / use.
They aren't "sensoring" it. MR provides links to the original, un-bleeped content right there in the main story. So MR provides both the pg-13 version of the post and the original post. Where's the censorship?
It's depressing to me how little people understand what is and is not censorship.
He did, actually. He went onto his site's forums, and to his fans, told everyone exactly how he felt about the obvious hypocrisy displayed in the rejection of his app. He didn't start a war in the streets, he spoke. He presented a good argument, regardless of his use of profanity. Grow up with the expletive superstition, already.
He was speaking to his fans on his forum.
Besides, if the issue at hand is language, why should he self censor to reply - that would imply there was something wrong with the words.
More people should watch Larry Flynt.
Do you have kids? Used to be back in the day that your neighbors and friends and the public in general would shun this type of content, but now its embraced. Protecting kids from filth is harder these days, and children are exposed to more of it than ever, which makes parenting a lot more difficult than, say, when my folks were kids. Just my opinion.
This is true, and in this day and age, many people are doing the best they can to help make parenting a little easier, keep the content away from kids, while simultaneously not preventing intellectual adults or others who want/need/should get the content from having it. Just because it's getting harder doesn't mean we should take the easy way out.
You guys sure assume a lot from a small quote. The quote I replied to said that his last album was free. I'm just pointing out that all is not charity in Reznor World.
South Park puts their episodes online for free. They also sell merch. They submitted an app that was similar in nature to this NIN app. They got rejected. Unlike Reznor, however, Parker and Stone didn't act like the world was going to come to a halt because their iPhone app wasn't approved. Here's their response:
"We first announced our iPhone App back in October, after we submitted the Application to Apple for approval. After a couple of attempts to get the application approved, we are sad to say that our app has been rejected. According to Apple, the content was 'potentially offensive.' But Apple did admit that the standards would evolve, citing that when iTunes first launched it didn't sell any music with explicit lyrics. At this point, we are sad to say, the app is dead in the water. Sorry, South Park fans."
A bit more mature, especially from a group of people who create potty mouth cartoons.
It's simple, really. Children need their parents to set boundaries and enforce them. Oh ... no ... I don't mean like how we enforce the borders between the US and Mexico. I mean - actively saying NO once in a while. 
I don't want iTunes, Wal-Mart, or any public organization censoring content because of what my child might see or hear. Can I be a parent please? I'll raise my child to understand that - yes - there are profane people in the world and there will be consequences of imitating them in my house or in my presence. I doubt any of my kids even care about NiN, but the concept applies to RAP artists, punk, and even Hollywood. If there is content not suitable for my children on display, I am the one who gets to decide - not Wal-Mart, not the MPAA, not Apple, and certainly not my child on whether they can or should view or listen to such content.
Owning an iPod or iPhone is a privilege I believe a minor child needs to earn, just as I believe staying up late to watch a movie or spending the night at a friend's house is a privilege to be earned. Just like that driver's permit and license is a privilege. If we acquiesce our roles as parents to third parties, we may as well surrender our other liberties as well. The tragic thing is, many families already have.
Instead of the PS3, how about heading to the park together and toss the ball around a little? Instead of prescribing Ritallin, how about using less sugar and let your "wild child" go play outside and be a child? How about spending some time with your child at the computer? How about getting involved with the extra-curricular things that interest your child? Why not set the example and avoid profanity, tobacco, and alcohol yourself - instead of blaming NiN and other idiots for their "bad" language and habits? How about talking about and teaching your child about sex and drugs before they school you on it? Mostly, though - how about dealing with your OWN life ... your OWN family - instead of presuming to know what's best for mine or relying on Apple, Wal-Mart, the school, or the MPAA (or worse - the government) to do it for you?
I don't want iTunes, Wal-Mart, or any public organization censoring content because of what my child might see or hear. Can I be a parent please? I'll raise my child to understand that - yes - there are profane people in the world and there will be consequences of imitating them in my house or in my presence. I doubt any of my kids even care about NiN, but the concept applies to RAP artists, punk, and even Hollywood. If there is content not suitable for my children on display, I am the one who gets to decide - not Wal-Mart, not the MPAA, not Apple, and certainly not my child on whether they can or should view or listen to such content.
Owning an iPod or iPhone is a privilege I believe a minor child needs to earn, just as I believe staying up late to watch a movie or spending the night at a friend's house is a privilege to be earned. Just like that driver's permit and license is a privilege. If we acquiesce our roles as parents to third parties, we may as well surrender our other liberties as well. The tragic thing is, many families already have.
Instead of the PS3, how about heading to the park together and toss the ball around a little? Instead of prescribing Ritallin, how about using less sugar and let your "wild child" go play outside and be a child? How about spending some time with your child at the computer? How about getting involved with the extra-curricular things that interest your child? Why not set the example and avoid profanity, tobacco, and alcohol yourself - instead of blaming NiN and other idiots for their "bad" language and habits? How about talking about and teaching your child about sex and drugs before they school you on it? Mostly, though - how about dealing with your OWN life ... your OWN family - instead of presuming to know what's best for mine or relying on Apple, Wal-Mart, the school, or the MPAA (or worse - the government) to do it for you?
Since when do guilt-ridden, overprotective parents decide what's appropriate for the rest of society? What about mature adults who want to enjoy content online without being harassed by puritanical wackjobs?
"Sorry son, no NIN iPhone apps for you, now go play some Super Columbine Massacre RPG in your room before your evening prayers."
Just because a kid might see or hear something, god forbid, that people sometimes say in the real world! Surely his young mind will be scarred for life, and before you know it he's all grown up, and this button-down, oxford-cloth psycho might just snap, and then stalk from office to office with an Armalite AR-10 carbine gas-powered semi-automatic weapon, pumping round after round into colleagues and co-workers.
"Sorry son, no NIN iPhone apps for you, now go play some Super Columbine Massacre RPG in your room before your evening prayers."
Just because a kid might see or hear something, god forbid, that people sometimes say in the real world! Surely his young mind will be scarred for life, and before you know it he's all grown up, and this button-down, oxford-cloth psycho might just snap, and then stalk from office to office with an Armalite AR-10 carbine gas-powered semi-automatic weapon, pumping round after round into colleagues and co-workers.
My post was in response to someone claiming that reznor was reacting solely to sell more records which is unlikely.
Also: stone and Parker thrive on getting content pulled in a way that reznor does not.