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NiN's Trent Reznor Speaks Out on Apple's App Store Rejection Policies
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Technically, wouldn't he be using opinion to assert belief? Him asserting it doesn't make it a fact, and you can't prove with opinion anyway.
True, he might be making good points, if he had been more civil I would have definitely have looked at them. It's a matter of economy of time, I have to prioritize though who I read and value and if someone plays the agent provocateur they lose me quickly. I tried to respond to some of Trent's argments irregardless in another post.
You are right, it's more complex than I initially though. I still think however that a browser is pretty much lke a road to anywhere, where anyone can use it for any illegal/indecent purpose so apple can't control it. But a store is still a store and even if indirectly that allows access to wrong material apple should try to control it. The effective word here is "try". NIN material is known as highly offensive and controversial to a lot of people so its far more likely to offend. A browser is not as likely to offend. So that's the rationale I believe apple use.
In the final analysis if Trent dislike app store so much why doesnt he use win mobile?
But he wants his cake and to eat it too.In any case this is a controversial issue and I can see both sides, yours too, does have some validity in what they are saying, things are not black and white, but it;s important that people be civil instead of selling an attitude if they want to put their point across.
I do to, to myself and with friends, not with everyone who might not want to be offended.
Sorry, yes.. I meant that he's using an opinion to prove what he's saying and treating THAT as if it were a fact... does that make sense?
Aren't you aware that using common sense and reason on the internet is frowned upon?
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True, he might be making good points, if he had been more civil I would have definitely have looked at them. It's a matter of economy of time, I have to prioritize though who I read and value and if someone plays the agent provocateur they lose me quickly. I tried to respond to some of Trent's argments irregardless in another post.
You are right, it's more complex than I initially though. I still think however that a browser is pretty much lke a road to anywhere, where anyone can use it for any illegal/indecent purpose so apple can't control it. But a store is still a store and even if indirectly that allows access to wrong material apple should try to control it. The effective word here is "try". NIN material is known as highly offensive and controversial to a lot of people so its far more likely to offend. A browser is not as likely to offend. So that's the rationale I believe apple use.
In the final analysis if Trent dislike app store so much why doesnt he use win mobile?
In any case this is a controversial issue and I can see both sides, yours too, does have some validity in what they are saying, things are not black and white, but it;s important that people be civil instead of selling an attitude if they want to put their point across.
I do to, to myself and with friends, not with everyone who might not want to be offended.
The first amendment is not there to make sure people can talk about Mickey Mouse, it's there to protect people's ability to say things that some people will be offended by. You can't protect everyone from being offended with everything. As for your other points, well, we've reached the biggest common ground and from here, we'll just have to disagree
By the way, I'll bet if you give me a few of your favourite books, I could find profanity in one or some of them, which would make your whole point invalid...but it's not really relevant
In the final analysis if Trent dislike app store so much why doesnt he use win mobile?
This is just beating a dead horse (and you've explained why you didn't read it) but I have to start my sentence by saying that if you read the article you would see that he goes on to say the reason they made it for the iPhone is because he believes that to be the best available option, well ahead of the competition. He specifically says that WinMo "sucks balls"*
* of course this doesn't help in saying he's a smart guy, but just remember, this wasn't a press release, this wasn't an interview, it was just a post in a message board. In interviews and formal press (or even posts on the web-site) he comes across differently... look at it in the context of being posted in a message board by someone who is very passionate about what he's doing (or at least I believe he is passionate).
You must not have children, then. I try to expose my children to bits of everything and my young son has access to the iPhone and iTouch - yes, he could access objectionable content, but Apple should figure-out a way to allow or disallow users based on settings from downloading that content - like iTunes and a rating system. Arbitrary? Yes - but so what if children are exposed to vile and objectionable content on a daily basis? It is best to talk with your children and TRY to keep those things you feel objectionable out of their hands...you can only do what you as a parent can do and you cannot control everything.
As a parent you cannot ALWAYS remove temptation form a child but to make it more difficult and to speak with your child is always better than doing nothing at all. Just my opinion - talk with your children, work with your children, expose them to culture of all types and take responsibility to what your children consume - and I think Apple should make that job easier for parents by instituting a parental control lock on the app store. I cannot and will not sit by my child at all hours of the day to make sure my children to do go someplace they should not...that is why Apple included a parental control feature in OS X. Why not on the iPhone or iTouch? This would then be a moot point, right?
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Well, technically Apple's guidelines wouldn't remove it from your phone, just prevent it from being sold in the Appstore. Safari isn't sold on the Appstore ...
And those just saying words are just words, well, words aren't just words. There's context, and words can be very harmful. They don't even have to be swear words to be harmful.
LMAO ... For a change? Whatever, man. Have it your way ...
This neither states nor accomplishes much of anything.
This isn't really about trashing Apple, nor is Trent really a has-been. He's still relevant, although you may not necessarily agree, and this is more about venting frustrations with Apple's cryptic app approval process than it is with Apple itself.
He's still a vocal fan of Apple products, so this really isn't about trashing Apple.
How does "swearing" constitute "attacking the status quo"? That doesn't make sense to me. If anything, the status quo is to swear pretty freely.
As for the issue at hand being "irrelevant", I must necessarily disagree. That's the point of this entire discussion. There is a flaw in Apple's approval process. We've seen it time and time again.
Want some examples? NetShare was a big one. More recently, there's been "Baby Shaker", the Tweetie update, and this NIN app update. I'm sure there are more, but I'm sure that you get it.
He's 43, for starters, and again -- this isn't really about "trash talking."
You didn't read the original post, nor are you apparently familiar with what the actual crux of the problem is, so you're only highlighting your ignorance here.
KIDS out there, don't bite, try seeing people for what they are not what they portray. Of course a lot of you will bite and idolize this guy, until you grow up and know better, I did too, with other folk.
Your implication here is that Apple, and their approval process, can do no wrong. Is that intentional? If so, how do you not undermine this entire closing "argument"?
Also, just to be clear, there's a vast difference between idolizing someone and agreeing with them. There's a difference between idolizing someone and enjoying their music.
I enjoy the music of Nine Inch Nails and, more often than not, I find myself agreeing with Trent Reznor on a variety of subjects. That doesn't mean that I idolize him. In fact, I don't idolize him (or anyone else).
Finally, I'd argue that Trent Reznor is one of the most transparent personalities in popular music. He tends to be open and honest with his opinions and his motives, especially since escaping the deathgrip of his record contract, so I again fail to see how what you're saying actually applies to the topic at hand.
Chris, points well taken, some of them that is. Thanks for replying to what I said instead of being ironic to me.
And, in failing to actually respond to any of the points I made, you fulfilled my expectations. Thanks for that.
Bet quote I have seen on Macrumors in a long time. You are correct, and all these Fan boys who think Apple isn't just like any other company is blind. Apple needs to open there eyes and ears to the people that made them successful. It wasn't just Steve Jobs, it was us the consumers.
I am so shocked!!!
Apple has controlled its platform for 30 year (+) and people are still surprised that they do this. iTunes is THEIR product, the app store is THEIR store. They write the rules for THEIR store. They can change or interpret the rules to THEIR store as they see fit. NIN's situation is just one example, the other being SlingBox...and there are many others.
It is what it is...so deal with it.
Apple has controlled its platform for 30 year (+) and people are still surprised that they do this. iTunes is THEIR product, the app store is THEIR store. They write the rules for THEIR store. They can change or interpret the rules to THEIR store as they see fit. NIN's situation is just one example, the other being SlingBox...and there are many others.
It is what it is...so deal with it.
Am I expected to care?..
What is this! Has MacRumors nothing more relevant, nothing of merit - to report here?!.
A boy from a certain popsy group has a certain opinion of Apple - what should I care! Come on! If Cecilia Bartoli or Andreas Scholl expressed her or his opinion on Apple, iTunes and App Store policy, I bet you'd dismiss it as irrelevant. It is the perspective of a boy with neither taste nor culture on the company we all admire so much that takes your headlines! Come on, MacRumors!
It's bloody curse preposterous enough that your DeeJay Muthafukkas (or God knows what names they bear!) and girlie Bumshowoffs earns tenfold the wages of Jaroussky and Larmore, MacRumors will, rather then scoff at them, jot down a first-page article on their perspective on life. Well, that's America, isn't it!.. Disgusting
What is this! Has MacRumors nothing more relevant, nothing of merit - to report here?!.
A boy from a certain popsy group has a certain opinion of Apple - what should I care! Come on! If Cecilia Bartoli or Andreas Scholl expressed her or his opinion on Apple, iTunes and App Store policy, I bet you'd dismiss it as irrelevant. It is the perspective of a boy with neither taste nor culture on the company we all admire so much that takes your headlines! Come on, MacRumors!
It's bloody curse preposterous enough that your DeeJay Muthafukkas (or God knows what names they bear!) and girlie Bumshowoffs earns tenfold the wages of Jaroussky and Larmore, MacRumors will, rather then scoff at them, jot down a first-page article on their perspective on life. Well, that's America, isn't it!.. Disgusting
SAT Q & A for the Day
Trent Reznor speaks for the music industry
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C. Alec Baldwin represents the Film Actors Guild
While the policy may be strange, who cares what that ****** Reznor thinks.
Trent Reznor speaks for the music industry
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C. Alec Baldwin represents the Film Actors Guild
While the policy may be strange, who cares what that ****** Reznor thinks.
Apple wouldn't be where they are today if they had such a policy. Bear in mind he is one of the most vocal Apple-pushing artists in the music industry.
It's a fine point.
Apple cornered themselves by essentially publicly announcing their role as censor. So now, what they allow becomes a direct reflection on them. Unlike iTunes where they've sat quiet and allowed album content to rightly be the responsibility of the artists and studios.
Personally I think they should relinquish control of it to the people who actually use the app store. Allow any proper app, but also allow something like a community rating system to flag it (ala CraigsList) or bin the app appropriately. Or license 3rd parties to sell apps (unlikely); Apple can pick and choose whatever apps they want to appear in their store, and iph0ne-mega-p0rn.com can put up whatever they want. Why bear the additional responsibility for content if you don't have to?
Apple cornered themselves by essentially publicly announcing their role as censor. So now, what they allow becomes a direct reflection on them. Unlike iTunes where they've sat quiet and allowed album content to rightly be the responsibility of the artists and studios.
Personally I think they should relinquish control of it to the people who actually use the app store. Allow any proper app, but also allow something like a community rating system to flag it (ala CraigsList) or bin the app appropriately. Or license 3rd parties to sell apps (unlikely); Apple can pick and choose whatever apps they want to appear in their store, and iph0ne-mega-p0rn.com can put up whatever they want. Why bear the additional responsibility for content if you don't have to?
I agree, which is why I think the policy will be reversed soon. Once they take up the mantle of content filtering, they'll have to spend a lot more labor on it than I think they planned.
Of course, no one stood up for babyshaker...
even the App store isn't clean...
I think the violent and inane stuff on the App store is MUCH more damaging to kids than some bad language. How many FPS games are on the app store? How many iFart type things?
If they're going to cry foul language as the issue, then they have some 'splaining to do.
MadCow.
I think the violent and inane stuff on the App store is MUCH more damaging to kids than some bad language. How many FPS games are on the app store? How many iFart type things?
If they're going to cry foul language as the issue, then they have some 'splaining to do.
MadCow.
I personally wish, more people would act like Trent in the music industry. Maybe check out this blog post to show, what Trent really is all about.
The man has made his money, so all he wants right now is creative input from his fans. And he always was a very strong Apple promoter, like offering "The hand that feeds" as GarageBand-File for remixing.
And you know what? Check out, who's featured here first.