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Nintendo's New Console - Wii U

Taustin Powers said:
Will the pad's display have hd resolution?
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No. Similar res to standard 6-7" android tablet. 800x480 etc.

All the wii u pads were connected via wired connection to the wii u hardware at e3. We have yet to see hands on with a wireless connection streaming to the handset lag free.

I honestly don't think it would be possible to have more than one handset, even the tiniest modicum of lag introduced by multiple handsets would render them unplayable. Remember these are just touch screens there is no hardware / storage on the handset. The benefit of using 3DS as additional controllers is that the game could send data about the level to the 3DS and it does the computational overhead without introducing lag to the main experience.
 
MacRumorUser said:
All the wii u pads were connected via wired connection to the wii u hardware at e3. We have yet to see hands on with a wireless connection streaming to the handset lag free.
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I imagine that would be down to the amount of interference. All those wireless controllers, phones, lights... must have been an energy waves worst nightmare especially when streaming video over the air!

I'm hearing lots of mixed things about this console which just makes me want to experience one even more. My worry is how cumbersome the thing must be, but I don't find handheld consoles (even the original PSP) or the iPad to be cumbersome with games. Hmm!
 
Assuming maintaining multiple wireless connections that supply 30 fps WVGA video feeds isn't a problem, you have to tell a game developer they may have to devote a variable amount of processing power to an indeterminate number of Wii Pads. That just won't fly, because they'll have to design the game as if the maximum number is always being used, or artificially impose a limit so that their performance isn't impacted. This is all excusing the possibility that the pads have dedicated video processors, which I highly doubt given Nintendo's fondness for cheap silicon.

It just makes sense in multiple ways to only use one pad.
 
I'm 20 and I used Nintendo products until and including the Game Boy Advance SP (screen backlight!!:eek:). A few years back I bought the Wii when it was introduced as the whole concept seemed revolutionary and cool and while it wasn't all that bad, the games were awful. Ditched it and bought a PS3, with HDMI support, amazing!

I think Nintendo is becoming a child's platform, all their games are along the Mario lines, cartoonish... and since most gamers prefer the bloody xbox360 or ps3 titles I don't particularly think Nintendo is headed the right way.
 
chrmjenkins said:
This is all excusing the possibility that the pads have dedicated video processors, which I highly doubt given Nintendo's fondness for cheap silicon.

It just makes sense in multiple ways to only use one pad.
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I heard that those Pads only are really Touchscreen controllers - no dedicated Pad CPU used in the aiding the game. They are just "Touchscreen Monitors".

The Wii U is not powerful enough for both 1080p gaming and multiple pads.

This is Nintendo's next innovation. The one after that would be supporting multiple pads, especially needing to wait until those pads go down in price enough to be able to buy multiple ones... :eek:

That would be the Wii U II.... ;)

(can't put everything out at once).
 
ratzzo said:
I think Nintendo is becoming a child's platform, all their games are along the Mario lines, cartoonish... and since most gamers prefer the bloody xbox360 or ps3 titles I don't particularly think Nintendo is headed the right way.
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http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly.php
I think you'll find that most people don't care for "bloody Xbox360 or PS3 titles". 7 out of 10 in the top 10 are non-bloody games. 1 (out of technically 2) of those bloody games is on a Nintendo system too.
It also looks like Nintendo isn't headed the right way since only 7 of the top 10 are on their consoles.

Your opinion and tastes ≠ fact
 
gkarris said:
I heard that those Pads only are really Touchscreen controllers - no dedicated Pad CPU used in the aiding the game. They are just "Touchscreen Monitors".

The Wii U is not powerful enough for both 1080p gaming and multiple pads.

This is Nintendo's next innovation. The one after that would be supporting multiple pads, especially needing to wait until those pads go down in price enough to be able to buy multiple ones... :eek:

That would be the Wii U II.... ;)

(can't put everything out at once).
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I was talking console side, not on the pad's side. That would be undesirable for many reasons, chiefly battery life and weight.
 
Taustin Powers said:
Will the pad's display have hd resolution? Surely the bandwidth requirements are not comparable with 1080p streaming? And if that is indeed the limiting factor, they should rethink that design choice, maybe sacrificing some pad resolution to enable multiple pads.

As far a tech prices go, they could always start selling their hardware for a slight loss, and offset it with software revenue as well declining prices for said components in the future, also due to larger quantities being purchased.

But we're going off on tangents here, neither one of us has attended Nintendo's meetings on this or enough insider knowledge to have this discussion in such depth.

All I am saying is, if it is possible tech-wise to enable multiple pads (and I am not yet convinced that it is not), I do not understand their decision to not go all the way with this model. It strips away a lot of cool potential.
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Resolution is currently being rumoured at around 854x480. If this is correct,then yes, it's less data than 1920x1080 and could potentially be enough for two pads. That said, if there's any latency introduced by a second pad then it could kill it. There's also the fact that the WiiU base console needs WiFi to connect to the internet as well.

Nintendo sell at a loss? Not going to happen. They refused to do so for the Wii, and profited from it. Sony on the other hand lost stacks of cash off the PS3 because they used new technology (namely Cell/RSX and Blu-Ray). I doubt Nintendo could even afford to operate the console at a loss, and the 3DS also runs at a profit.

Of course this is all conjecture, but some of it is based in fact (ie: limits of technology). I do also agree that limiting to single pad heavily limits the system's potential.
 
ratzzo said:
I'm 20 and I used Nintendo products until and including the Game Boy Advance SP (screen backlight!!:eek:). A few years back I bought the Wii when it was introduced as the whole concept seemed revolutionary and cool and while it wasn't all that bad, the games were awful. Ditched it and bought a PS3, with HDMI support, amazing!

I think Nintendo is becoming a child's platform, all their games are along the Mario lines, cartoonish... and since most gamers prefer the bloody xbox360 or ps3 titles I don't particularly think Nintendo is headed the right way.
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Holy crap, the irony in your post.

So your perception of Nintendo is that they're becoming a childish platform, but then go on to talk about bloody games on other 'consoles,' talk about juvenile. :eek:

And really, you shouldn't speak for others as if you know what they prefer. I personally like variety in my games, just as I do with any form of entertainment or food for that matter.
 
JackAxe said:
Holy crap, the irony in your post.

So your perception of Nintendo is that they're becoming a childish platform, but then go on to talk about bloody games on other 'consoles,' talk about juvenile. :eek:

And really, you shouldn't speak for others as if you know what they prefer. I personally like variety in my games, just as I do with any form of entertainment or food for that matter.
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By child's system, I guess he means Nintendo's trying to appeal to a casual crowd same as their strategy for the first Wii. Unfortunately while the Wii is fun the system and its games are not palatable for more hardcore gamers' tastes and therein lies the hatred of many for the Wii. But alas, Nintendo is probably going to make a killing with this system as they did the first Wii.
 
Worf said:
By child's system, I guess he means Nintendo's trying to appeal to a casual crowd same as their strategy for the first Wii. Unfortunately while the Wii is fun the system and its games are not palatable for more hardcore gamers' tastes and therein lies the hatred of many for the Wii. But alas, Nintendo is probably going to make a killing with this system as they did the first Wii.
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So what Crowd is Sesame Street Kinect and Star Wars Kinect trying to go for?

How many Kinect games have been bloody and so called "hardcore"
 
Worf said:
By child's system, I guess he means Nintendo's trying to appeal to a casual crowd same as their strategy for the first Wii. Unfortunately while the Wii is fun the system and its games are not palatable for more hardcore gamers' tastes and therein lies the hatred of many for the Wii. But alas, Nintendo is probably going to make a killing with this system as they did the first Wii.
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I think part of the problem is defining what a 'hardcore' gamer is. To me a hardcore gamer is someone that plays a lot of games across various genres but not necessarily someone that plays a lot of similar games. I know people that are hardcore FPS players but I don't consider them hardcore gamers in a general sense because they don't stray far from first person shooters.

Nuck81 said:
So what Crowd is Sesame Street Kinect and Star Wars Kinect trying to go for?

How many Kinect games have been bloody and so called "hardcore"
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Kinect is a peripheral, not a system though. The argument could be made that the 360 already has a loyal following of 'hardcore' gamers and is now trying harder to reach out to casual gamers.


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqRvV7Guuko

Actual Wii-U in-game graphics.

During a joint Ubisoft/Nintendo round table they debuted this trailer. The game started development three months ago, and they cut this trailer using the actual in game engine.

Pretty impressive for only three months work. Gametrailers talked a little about the game during Invisible Walls.

Apparently your tv will display third person, while the tablet will be first person. Your dude is wearing a helmet cam and the tablet is that cameras view allowing you to look around independent from what you see on the TV...
 
The little creatures look like Raving Rabbids if they ate chicken after midnight...

It's made by the Raving Rabids team. If you look close in the scene with the Saw blade it looks a little "video gamey" But otherwise I think it looks pretty good. And for only three months development :eek:
 
Patrick946 said:
Nintendo tends to use "withered technology."
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Actually, the Wii was really their first time doing this. Nintendo's prior console systems were all fairly cutting edge. The N64 outperformed the Playstation, the GameCube outperformed the Playstation 2.

That said, I suspect they're going to aim for a budget price for the new system. I'm guessing $299.


I'm still really annoyed that there's no wired option right now. :/
 
GFLPraxis said:
Actually, the Wii was really their first time doing this. Nintendo's prior console systems were all fairly cutting edge. The N64 outperformed the Playstation, the GameCube outperformed the Playstation 2.
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+The NES had better graphical+sound capabilities than the Master System.
+The SNES had equivalent graphics but better sound than the Mega Drive, and later hardware accelerated Mode7.
And then in the handhelds they were the first to fully utilise touchscreens, tilt sensors, 3D displays, wired and wireless connectivity options.
The Wii had a withered CPU and GPU but pushed for motion controls - now everyone wants a slice of that pie.
 
Not to go too far off topic, but the Master System was technically more powerful than the (even then) outdated NES, but the Nintendo was a far more popular console and really did get pushed to its limits.

The SNES did have a much slower CPU than the Megadrive, but was graphically much more impressive. However, if you compare the two machines side-by-side running Super Street Fighter 2 then there really isn't that much in it, although the SNES version does look a little better and certainly brighter.

:apple:
 
Nuck81 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqRvV7Guuko

Actual Wii-U in-game graphics.

During a joint Ubisoft/Nintendo round table they debuted this trailer. The game started development three months ago, and they cut this trailer using the actual in game
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Sorry but there is not a chance that is in-game engine. You have to be smoking pot or on some serious Nintendo Koolaid to believe that this in game by any margin.
 
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MacRumorUser said:
Sorry but there is not a chance that is in-game engine. You have to be smoking pot or on some serious Nintendo Koolaid to believe that this in game by any margin.
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:rolleyes:

Riiiiight. It doesn't look like sesame street Kinect, or Star Wars Kinect, the 360 is totally hardcore, I'll give you that, but I'll guess we'll see what Wii-U can do in time.

As for now it's better to make assumptions on how much it's going to suck, and how much we hate it, and already have our mind made up when we now next to nothing about it SINCE IT WAS JUST REVEALED. That's much smarter!!

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Nuck81 said:
:rolleyes:

Riiiiight. It doesn't look like sesame street Kinect, or Star Wars Kinect, the 360 is totally hardcore, I'll give you that, but I'll guess we'll see what Wii-U can do in time.

As for now it's better to make assumptions on how much it's going to suck, and how much we hate it, and already have our mind made up when we now next to nothing about it SINCE IT WAS JUST REVEALED. That's much smarter!!
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Dude, I think you need to relax a little. :) The kind of fanboyism you seem to be referring to is pretty common on a lot of forums, but not on this one. It's not the most active forum on the net, but the few people who post here regularly are far more open-minded and brand-neutral than you are likely to find anywhere else on the web. MRU for example seems to own every system ever made on the planet and found good games to play on all of them. I have a feeling he will own a WiiU fairly close to the launch date as well.

Not every negative opinion about about a piece of hardware equals bias or fanboyism. What has been revealed about the WiiU so far simply doesn't overly impress everyone and is met with skepticism by some. Deal with it.
 
Only interested if it could be used as a multiregion 3D Blu Ray player supporting 50GB discs and with HDMI DSD.
 
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