No going back to iOS 6 = no more Apple purchases! I'm starting a movement

[Rodster]

I was lucky enough to revert back in time, I don't hate ios7 it just looks childish.

Probably why so many here like it.

Conclusion: apple as we knew it died with SJ. Time to move on.

It's not so much that it looks childish. The problem for me regarding iOS 7 just looking at sceenshots is that the UI lacks cohesion. Some parts look OK, some look not so good and other areas look bad.

We are seeing a new Apple these days. Before it was Apple forging ahead and having others copy them. Now it's Apple following trends others have set.

 

[coops19]

Nobody forced you to upgrade. They didn't tell you that you MUST accept the new system.

So, what is life in "I'm entitled to everything"land like, anyway? Disappointing?

Gee I thought I owned my iphone and I had paid for it....**** I must have been mistaken that my iphone would be run by apple and not allow me to have it set up the way I previously had it. Bad me.

 

[nikicampos]

Nevertheless, people still have the option years later to downgrade from iOS4 to 3 if they so choose to. We should also have the same option to downgrade from 7 to 6 imao. Performance can be subjective from user to user (phone to phone) as well.

Well, that's your opinion, but the only opinion that matters is Apple's, and they say you can't go back to iOS 6.

So, this is really simple, you can't tell a company what to do, if you don't like it, take your business else where, If you are right many will follow and then a company might listen.

 

[nikicampos]

Gee I thought I owned my iphone and I had paid for it....**** I must have been mistaken that my iphone would be run by apple and not allow me to have it set up the way I previously had it. Bad me.

Actually you do own the phone, but not the software, thats's why people need to read the license agreement before clicking "agree".

The software is subject to updates and once you click "agree" if Apple wants, you can't go back.

 

[Mac.User]

i think the serious altering of the product is in a positive direction.

I have heard more people that I know that are huge Apple fans completely hate iOS7 then I remember hearing people (in person, most the hate I heard was reviewers or forums) hate on Vista.

I don't know anyone that likes it yet.

-3 so-workers hates it on their phones.
-Brother hates it on his tablet and is not planning to update his phone. Hes been an Apple fan since before he even got his first Mac (G4 PowerBook when he was 15), and is debating geting an Android instead of the new iPhone simply due to iOS7.
-I hate it on my iPod.
-Friend hates it on his Phone.
-Clients I work with don't like it.
-Father hates it on his iPad, he thought he was just getting fixes, not a whole new UI, and told my mother not to do it on hers.

They find it slow, laggy, cumbersome, and crash prone.

 

[dsa1971]

So the phone is unusable for you now? The software is sooooooo different that it functions in such a way that you can't use your phone anymore? No? Move on with your life. It's a new design. You knew that before upgrading. The rest is a few tweaks here and there. Some new features. Stop being dramatic

 

[apolloa]

Wow, we live in a world where people believe an upgrade to iOS7 makes your device waterproof and yet people on here slam someone who simply, dislikes iOS7

I think some of you people have no idea at all what the average iOS device owner is like.

 

[iZac]

I assume that one is able to download an IPSW of iOS 6.1.3 for the iPhone 4? And if you're not techy enough, you could most likely get an Genius bar beast to downgrade it for you? citing poor performance.

If so, this topic is rather pointless.

I do however sympathise with the posters discontent with the performance of iOS 7 on the iPhone 4, a few friends have also complained about the slow and laggy behaviour.

Apples slightly forceful approach to upgrades can be seen as unifying or anti consumer, but it's the way they've always been.

A silly case in point: I still use quicktime 7 pro because it's better than quicktime X. I don't set the forums alight about it though.

 

[globalist]

I assume that one is able to download an IPSW of iOS 6.1.3 for the iPhone 4? And if you're not techy enough, you could most likely get an Genius bar beast to downgrade it for you? citing poor performance.

If so, this topic is rather pointless.

It's not possible even for a "Genius bar beast", so this topic is fully legit.

Apples slightly forceful approach to upgrades can be seen as unifying or anti consumer, but it's the way they've always been.

Doesn't mean we have to like it forever, especially if the upgrades are turning out to be more and more incremental, arbitray and marketing-driven each year.

A silly case in point: I still use quicktime 7 pro because it's better than quicktime X. I don't set the forums alight about it though.

If you were stuck on QT X like many users here are stuck on iOS7 you'd maybe grasp the point better.

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Don't waste your time, the mods on MR are unapologetically biased. They will allow people to belittle and denigrate users with legitamate complaints and concerns, but will remove posts that call these *******s out.

Little do these abusive Apple loyalists know, they are only cheapening the brand by arrogantly shouting down arguments and announcing that whatever turd Apple releases is flawless.

This post will probably be deleted by the mods, but whatever.

Actually, I was pleasantly surprised the mods deleted his posts and even gave him a time-out, upon my (and maybe others' too) request.

 

[UBS28]

The ability to read and learn more about the software you are installing before you blindly go for it is key. You say there was no warning. The keynote was back in June and Apple's website has had images and videos of it available to view since then.

Did the keynote say that performance and battery issues will happen if he upgrades? I think not.

And I don't think the OP is going to read every Beta how the new iOS is performing.

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It was well documented online, in the news and on Apple's own website that iOS7 was different, plus the notes within the update described it as a change over iOS6. Keep at it, it'll probably grow on you...

Did Apple website state iOS7 will not be lag free on iPads?

 

[bobright]

Or why even close it to begin with is what I'm wondering

Thank the jailbreak community for that.

 

[adildacoolset]

Right...let's go paint your car fluorescent green purple and pink overnight ... You just have to live with it, no need catering to your likes and dislikes.... Oh, and sorry it won't start, the battery is drained

Right... We'll give you 3 months notice before we paint it. Even then, you'll have an option of whether you want it or not. In the meantime, you could have checked all the other cars to see if you like it.

 

[Anonymous Freak]

Gee I thought I owned my iphone and I had paid for it....**** I must have been mistaken that my iphone would be run by apple and not allow me to have it set up the way I previously had it. Bad me.

You're right, you own the hardware. And you have every right to *NOT CLICK UPDATE*. You have every right to use it in its current condition as long as you want, within the confines of the license agreement. (Which also does not guarantee that iCloud will be around forever, nor that Siri will continue to work forever, etc, etc, etc.)

 

[apolloa]

I assume that one is able to download an IPSW of iOS 6.1.3 for the iPhone 4? And if you're not techy enough, you could most likely get an Genius bar beast to downgrade it for you? citing poor performance.

If so, this topic is rather pointless.

I do however sympathise with the posters discontent with the performance of iOS 7 on the iPhone 4, a few friends have also complained about the slow and laggy behaviour.

Apples slightly forceful approach to upgrades can be seen as unifying or anti consumer, but it's the way they've always been.

A silly case in point: I still use quicktime 7 pro because it's better than quicktime X. I don't set the forums alight about it though.

I don't think the Apple servers will authenticate your iOS device if you downgrade to iOS 6 so no you cannot downgrade anymore.
All you can do is try and demand a device with iOS 6 on it.

 

[John T]

Unfortunately, you're totally missing one of the main points of this thread.

If you bought a 5s or 5c, you are paying the $500 for this new hardware and the new IOS 7. And you have 30 days to return it for a refund to Apple.

Everyone's missing the point!

Mine was the fact that, to date, I haven't seen any reports of users returning their 5s and 5c purchases because they didn't like the OS!

 

[hafr]

Everyone's missing the point!

Mine was the fact that, to date, I haven't seen any reports of users returning their 5s and 5c purchases because they didn't like the OS!

Considering the complaints people have with iOS 7 can pretty much be boiled down to one thing; that their phone has changed from what it was before, it's pretty silly to think that this would apply to those who have purchased the 5C or the 5S...

 

[Serelus]

While I agree with the majority of what people are saying about "Having to do reseach" and being informed by Apple.

I do think that the period for reversing back should be extended.

Honestly, if my girlfriend and I got a slower phone and worse battery life( WHICH doesn't come included in the description of the update), i'd want to reverse back as well... It's a fair complaint imo.

 

[Miguel Cunha]

Yes, but at the same time...

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Not it does not require user input.

Before I knew, it was already downloading.
Today,my iPhone doesn't boot at all.
iTunes sais it's in recovery mode and that I have to restore it... to the latest iOS (7.0.2), right.

Coincidence?... No.

A good product/service does not make you headaches.
And from what I read in these foruns, it already happened to other users.
iOS procedures like this, make user experience unstable dangerous and not to be trusted.

If in the future, this kind of thing happens to Mac OS, than Apple products will no longer fit my needs.

 

[Altis]

Right... We'll give you 3 months notice before we paint it. Even then, you'll have an option of whether you want it or not. In the meantime, you could have checked all the other cars to see if you like it.

If you aren't in to the apple fanatic community, you'd have had no idea. A very select few people were running iOS 7 prior to the release, and even in the GM people wrote off every flaw as "it's a beta".

To use your example, you wouldn't see any cars painted 3 months prior. If you did, and didn't like it, you would've been told to wait for the final version. Then you would've been told to try it or your complaints are meaningless. And if you didn't want to, you'd be constantly reminded to paint it every day. And when you finally did let it get painted, and find that it really ruins aspects of it, you have no recourse, no option to revert, and a bunch of people defending the company with worthless statements about how it's just a phone, go elsewhere, etc.

I guess that's what happens when there are no valid rebuttals based on logic.

 

[nikicampos]

Not it does not require user input.

Before I knew, it was already downloading.
Today,my iPhone doesn't boot at all.
iTunes sais it's in recovery mode and that I have to restore it... to the latest iOS (7.0.2), right.

Coincidence?... No.

A good product/service does not make you headaches.
And from what I read in these foruns, it already happened to other users.
iOS procedures like this, make user experience unstable dangerous and not to be trusted.

If in the future, this kind of thing happens to Mac OS, than Apple products will no longer fit my needs.

Yes yes yes, Apple is the worst company ever and iPhone is the worst product ever and iOS 7 is the worst software ever... BOO HOO!!!!

You can buy what ever you want, no one forces you to buy Apple products, yes, Apple changed, every company has to change in order to keep selling, if you don't like the way Apple changed, well, unlike some people on this forum said (that Apple takes away your freedom) this is a free world, there are plenty of options out there.

 

[sunking101]

If you aren't in to the apple fanatic community, you'd have had no idea. A very select few people were running iOS 7 prior to the release, and even in the GM people wrote off every flaw as "it's a beta".

To use your example, you wouldn't see any cars painted 3 months prior. If you did, and didn't like it, you would've been told to wait for the final version. Then you would've been told to try it or your complaints are meaningless. And if you didn't want to, you'd be constantly reminded to paint it every day. And when you finally did let it get painted, and find that it really ruins aspects of it, you have no recourse, no option to revert, and a bunch of people defending the company with worthless statements about how it's just a phone, go elsewhere, etc.

I guess that's what happens when there are no valid rebuttals based on logic.

You nailed it there and I'm in total agreement. There is nothing more to add

 

[nikicampos]

If you aren't in to the apple fanatic community, you'd have had no idea. A very select few people were running iOS 7 prior to the release, and even in the GM people wrote off every flaw as "it's a beta".

To use your example, you wouldn't see any cars painted 3 months prior. If you did, and didn't like it, you would've been told to wait for the final version. Then you would've been told to try it or your complaints are meaningless. And if you didn't want to, you'd be constantly reminded to paint it every day. And when you finally did let it get painted, and find that it really ruins aspects of it, you have no recourse, no option to revert, and a bunch of people defending the company with worthless statements about how it's just a phone, go elsewhere, etc.

I guess that's what happens when there are no valid rebuttals based on logic.

iOS 7 is not a car, no one is painting it, iOS 7 is software, it belongs to Apple, you are only buying the device, not the software, once you buy an iPhone and click "agree" on the EULA, you are accepting Apple terms, which dictates that you are agreeing to any changes and updates that Apple makes, and that includes the ability to not go back to iOS 6.

You are free to buy a different phone and different software, you could sell your iPhone, and since it's an Apple product, it has one of the best after market resale value.

 

[sunking101]

iOS 7 is not a car, no one is painting it, iOS 7 is software, it belongs to Apple, you are only buying the device, not the software, once you buy an iPhone and click "agree" on the EULA, you are accepting Apple terms, which dictates that you are agreeing to any changes and updates that Apple makes, and that includes the ability to not go back to iOS 6.

You are free to buy a different phone and different software, you could sell your iPhone, and since it's an Apple product, it has one of the best after market resale value.

How can I sell a device which now has only 60% of the stated battery life? My three month old iPhone 5 has been ruined by Apple and until/unless they fix this problem my phone remains unsaleable.

Besides this of course, why should I have to lose money by selling an expensive three month old product which worked perfectly well before Apple sabotaged it?

 

[Altis]

iOS 7 is not a car, no one is painting it, iOS 7 is software, it belongs to Apple, you are only buying the device, not the software, once you buy an iPhone and click "agree" on the EULA, you are accepting Apple terms, which dictates that you are agreeing to any changes and updates that Apple makes, and that includes the ability to not go back to iOS 6.

You are free to buy a different phone and different software, you could sell your iPhone, and since it's an Apple product, it has one of the best after market resale value.

Of course it isn't a car, did you not notice I was using the previous posters analogy?

Of course you can switch phones, but that costs money, and some people just bought theirs not long ago

Lots of people don't care about the hardware, they bought the iPhone for iOS exclusively. That's the only reason the bought the hardware, and then Apple forces a new version that clearly isn't ready.

Tell me this, what really is the huge issue with allowing people to switch back if it doesn't work within the first couple weeks? Fragmentation is invalid as many still run iOS 6 anyways.

Saying you can buy a new phone is basically admitting there's no defendable reason.

 

[Giuly]

Don't get me wrong, but you intend to start a movement to basically stop innovation because you can't see thin lines. That sounds like a terrific idea.

Seriously though:

These lines are even smaller than in reality, and even if you can't see them, you can still clearly distinguish the UI elements.