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No going back to iOS 6 = no more Apple purchases! I'm starting a movement
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Really? Apple or even the mainstream media reported on all the things you would lose with iOS 7 too? https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1636074/
For those of you here that seem to claim Apple can release what ever they like for iOS7 bugs and all. Wrong. They cannot, you have consumer rights that protect you and there are also laws that state a product must be 'fit for purpose'.
In the UK this is a very brief outline, it is what enables you to replace say an Xbox or PS3 when it's way out of warranty:
(for England, Wales and Northern Ireland)
When you buy goods from a trader or when goods are supplied as part of a service, you enter into a contract which is controlled by many laws including the Sale of Goods Act 1979 (as amended) and the Supply of Goods and Services Act 1982 (as amended). These laws give you certain (sometimes referred to as statutory) rights under this contract. Goods should be:
of satisfactory quality - goods should be free from defects, fit for the purpose for which they were supplied, safe and durable. Appearance and finish is also taken into account
as described - goods should correspond with any description applied to them
fit for any purpose that is made known to the seller - goods must be fit for their general purpose and any particular purpose that a consumer makes known to the trader at the time of purchase. For example if you buy a sleeping bag it must work as a sleeping bag. If you make it clear before you buy that you need it for -40 degree conditions and the trader states it will be suitable then it should be suitable
You are legally entitled to a refund, replacement or repair if goods do not conform to the contract, in other words are not of satisfactory quality, fit for purpose or as described, but which remedy should you claim?
http://www.tradingstandards.gov.uk/advice/problemswithgoods-sum9.cfm
I believe these laws cover software but in any case a brand new iPhone will have the same bugs.
In the UK this is a very brief outline, it is what enables you to replace say an Xbox or PS3 when it's way out of warranty:
(for England, Wales and Northern Ireland)
When you buy goods from a trader or when goods are supplied as part of a service, you enter into a contract which is controlled by many laws including the Sale of Goods Act 1979 (as amended) and the Supply of Goods and Services Act 1982 (as amended). These laws give you certain (sometimes referred to as statutory) rights under this contract. Goods should be:
of satisfactory quality - goods should be free from defects, fit for the purpose for which they were supplied, safe and durable. Appearance and finish is also taken into account
as described - goods should correspond with any description applied to them
fit for any purpose that is made known to the seller - goods must be fit for their general purpose and any particular purpose that a consumer makes known to the trader at the time of purchase. For example if you buy a sleeping bag it must work as a sleeping bag. If you make it clear before you buy that you need it for -40 degree conditions and the trader states it will be suitable then it should be suitable
You are legally entitled to a refund, replacement or repair if goods do not conform to the contract, in other words are not of satisfactory quality, fit for purpose or as described, but which remedy should you claim?
http://www.tradingstandards.gov.uk/advice/problemswithgoods-sum9.cfm
I believe these laws cover software but in any case a brand new iPhone will have the same bugs.
It's very clearly a device touted as much more than that. Go on the Apple website and look at all the features they tell you (will work), as those would be inclusive to the normal function of the device.
....and don't forget the quoted battery life!
Apple's advertised specs for my three month old iPhone 5 are:
WiFi browsing 10 hours
3G call time 8 hours
On iOS 6 I managed 8.5 hrs and 6 hours respectively
On iOS 7 I manage 6 hours and just under 4 hours respectively.
This is an almost new phone!
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Geez, you people are like the guys on South Park that were shocked - SHOCKED! - that anyone wouldn't read the terms of service in itunes before clicking accept. It's all your fault if you accept Apple's word for it that this is an improvement. Do you all read the changes in every single app before you update them? WOuld you be pissed if a vital feature of an app you like was removed by an update?
Normal, everyday people do not expect an OS UPGRADE to reduce their battery life to almost nothing. Even if you researched it, many people with iPhone 4's have reported no degradation in battery life, while others have reported huge changes. Who are you supposed to believe? You don't know till you've tried it, then TOO LATE you are stuck with almost no battery life.
Not liking some of the features or look of 7 is one thing, but almost completely breaking your phone and rendering it useless is something entirely different. Can you folks not see that?
Now, I have a 5 and have largely been happy with iOS 7. There are things I do not like, but mostly I like it. However, I see the OP's point completely.
Geez, you people are like the guys on South Park that were shocked - SHOCKED! - that anyone wouldn't read the terms of service in itunes before clicking accept. It's all your fault if you accept Apple's word for it that this is an improvement. Do you all read the changes in every single app before you update them? WOuld you be pissed if a vital feature of an app you like was removed by an update?
Normal, everyday people do not expect an OS UPGRADE to reduce their battery life to almost nothing. Even if you researched it, many people with iPhone 4's have reported no degradation in battery life, while others have reported huge changes. Who are you supposed to believe? You don't know till you've tried it, then TOO LATE you are stuck with almost no battery life.
Not liking some of the features or look of 7 is one thing, but almost completely breaking your phone and rendering it useless is something entirely different. Can you folks not see that?
Now, I have a 5 and have largely been happy with iOS 7. There are things I do not like, but mostly I like it. However, I see the OP's point completely.
I'm saying that if you don't like the way it looks, you don't have to install it. Done. The initial analogy was wrong.
But you get to have the install file take up a bunch of room on your device no matter what and be pestered to upgrade as you visit settings or do various other things. So can you not upgrade and not have it take up space on your device and bug you? Yeah, not so much.
If I interpreted the customer service rep correctly, the battery was already a bit messed up, and iOS 7 kind of pushed it over the edge so to speak. iOS 6 might be gentler to batteries in general, I don't know.
Look, I was saying that his analogy was wrong initially that he will be upgraded no matter what. That was wrong, ad I tried to. Correct it. Not sure why you're trying to take it further here.
Really no point explaining... These people are exactly what is wrong with society today...
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I am a relatively new Apple customer. After having an Android phone for years, I decided to move to Iphone last December. I purchased an Iphone 5 and it's been a bumpy ride since. Out of the box, my new Iphone 5 would not connect to App Store. After dealing with this for days, I went back into the store of my local carrier and they replaced the phone. A few weeks later, my carrier finally got 4gLTE service in my area. I went in again to get a SIM card as directed. I was in the store for 4 hours while they tried to activate the SIM card and phone to accept 4g LTE. They finally gave up and replaced the phone and all was good. I had no problems with the 3rd Iphone 5. I updated to IOS 7 and lo and behold, my Iphone 5 crashed. Not immediately, but a few days into the new installation of IOS 7. The phone completely glitched out. I tried resetting, but nothing worked. The phone would not respond to anything. I would set it down and about 5 minutes later it would finally respond and work for about 30 seconds, then become locked up again. Then it started just resetting on it's own. It would sit there, then reset, showing the apple icon and home screen would pop up again, yet nothing would respond. I took the phone in the next day, (started happening late at night), and the rep tried several things and finally just said I'd need a replacement. I have not had a very good experience with Apple so far. I don't know if my carrier has just got a batch of wiggy iphones or if it's just an issue with software. I'm not familiar with any of the technical aspects of these operating systems. I refuse to install the new IOS 7 on this replacement phone because I don't want to have the aggravation. Before the other phone completely locked up, I noticed an immediate degradation of battery life. My phone simply lost battery within just 3 hours whereas before IOS 7, it would last for hours. This is with barely any use of the phone. I read articles on how to work around this and actually changed some settings as per the instructions, but the battery still depleted at a much higher rate. From reading forum after forum to see if anyone else had had this issue, I realize that many of you are very passionate about Apple and actually can get quite ugly if there are any people having legitimate issues. I am not trying to troll, just sharing my experience so far with Apple. Despite the problems I have had, I love the iphone and am glad I switched. I do not plan to go back to Android, I just got my daughter an iphone 4s the same day I went in to see about the problem with my Iphone 5. I am wondering if it will be a good idea to wait for quite awhile before I update both of these phones, maybe give them time to work out the bugs? I never had an issue with the previous IOS (6.14?). I had significantly better battery life than I've ever seen with Android. I was really happy with the performance of my phone on IOS 6.14. Some of you know your way around all this, so what is your opinion on what possibly went wrong? I'm thinking it was the update, but I really don't know enough about all this to make an educated analysis of what possibly went wrong. I downloaded the IOS 7 from Wifi, did not go through itunes. I'm trying to find out what I can do to prevent this again in the event I decide to install the IOS 7. It's downloaded and in my settings waiting to be installed, but I'm very leary of going down that road again. As of now, the battery life on this new phone is excellent running IOS 6.14.
I have some serious problems with this article;
I'm a three year user of iOS and have been using an Android for over a week while I wait for my new 5S to arrive. I couldn't agree with this statement less. iOS 7 in no way whatsoever looks like Android!
Are you kidding me???? It's the exact same functionality as before! Open the camera app and switch to video!
I really feel like this is likely caused by pre-existing hardware conditions that iOS 7 just worsens due to some of the added graphical elements and features like auto app updates. It's not great but to say iOS 7 is solely responsible for your battery drain is inaccurate in my estimation because in the three months of testing on my old iPhone 5, I had little to no battery issues.
I'm sorry, but that's a BS argument. It's natural for one to need some time to figure out new features. That's not a flaw of iOS 7, that's a reality of human learning. I'm still trying to figure out certain features and navigations inside Android. Does that alone make it a POS OS? No! (You can interchange any OS or software in the world in that statement.)
I will say that I do agree with the last complaint. I've repeated it several times before;
Apple should absolutely provide users the option to downgrade to iOS 6, whether it be because they hate the design, have problems with bugs or battery life or it makes them sick. And this is again, coming from someone who likes it a lot and has very little complaints with it.
I'm a three year user of iOS and have been using an Android for over a week while I wait for my new 5S to arrive. I couldn't agree with this statement less. iOS 7 in no way whatsoever looks like Android!
Are you kidding me???? It's the exact same functionality as before! Open the camera app and switch to video!
I really feel like this is likely caused by pre-existing hardware conditions that iOS 7 just worsens due to some of the added graphical elements and features like auto app updates. It's not great but to say iOS 7 is solely responsible for your battery drain is inaccurate in my estimation because in the three months of testing on my old iPhone 5, I had little to no battery issues.
I'm sorry, but that's a BS argument. It's natural for one to need some time to figure out new features. That's not a flaw of iOS 7, that's a reality of human learning. I'm still trying to figure out certain features and navigations inside Android. Does that alone make it a POS OS? No! (You can interchange any OS or software in the world in that statement.)
I will say that I do agree with the last complaint. I've repeated it several times before;
Apple should absolutely provide users the option to downgrade to iOS 6, whether it be because they hate the design, have problems with bugs or battery life or it makes them sick. And this is again, coming from someone who likes it a lot and has very little complaints with it.
I don't have a problem with ios7 per se, or with people liking it. I think the "apple controlled drone" is aimed at people who are unable to see that it isn't an unreasonable request to want to choose for themselves what OS is run on a device they own.
To be honest, it's an issue that's bigger than Apple. The Sony Playstation update that lost people the use of Linux is part of the same problem. The shift to new devices, rather than computers in the classic sense has given these grabby companies a chance to remove what has previously been allowed. For some reason people are ok with a company dictating how you use the devices you've bought. No way would that fly with computers, imagine buying a laptop where Apple or Microsoft prevented you from reinstalling an older OS, there'd be an outrage. Or if Adobe prevented anyone reinstalling CS6 they want everyone to run CC.
While it is true that there were "3 months of betas" this forum was flooded by Apple apologists who pounced on anyone and everyone who raised issues regarding performance, icon appearance, etc. of the beta code of iOS 7. "That's why they call it BETA you stupid troll!" was the virtually universal response to all concerns raised regarding iOS 7 betas.
So given that climate, how can you now say, "how could you be possibly surprised?" when every concern raised was dismissed as inappropriate because of the beta nature of the code?
I completely get what you're saying and agree that I'd be pissed in those situations. I guess I'm just lucky that I,
A) Am technically inclined and took the time and effort to get my hands on the beta to "try before I buy", so to speak.
B) Have a predisposition to like change.
C) Haven't experienced any of the glitches others report, and
D) Don't suffer medical conditions like vertigo.
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That's not completely true. I read lots of people pointing out and sharing bugs and glitches without being flamed. Sure there were some that were slammed and some were called out because they were either being unrealistic or silly about their complaints but I've read plenty conversations regarding issues, faults, ect.
Saying that "every concern raised was dismissed as inappropriate because of the beta nature of the code?" Is simply not true.
No, you aren't... You've formulated an opinion based on logic and taste. Liking iOS 7 is great, and I'm happy for anyone who does! I like many of the aspects of it, for sure.
The music app and lag do it for me. Battery life is much better since I did the Reset All Settings, but even yesterday it hung at 20% for about half an hour, then showed 12% for 5 minutes, then shut down. It's just not as usable as it was before. I had no music for half my workout, which reduced my concentration.
Absolutely. Any glitch was dismissed with "that will be fixed before iOS7 goes on general release"
Again, not true. There were lots of posts that read along the lines of "Hopefully this gets fixed before GM" followed by "this still exists in GM, WTF?!" With plenty of people agreeing.
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What iDevice are you running? I just ran my battery on my iPad 2 below 20% yesterday and didn't have that problem.
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