Thank you very much sir... I haven't laughed at a persons stupidity and ignorance so hard in a long long time... Thank you once again...
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No going back to iOS 6 = no more Apple purchases! I'm starting a movement
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Thank you very much sir... I haven't laughed at a persons stupidity and ignorance so hard in a long long time... Thank you once again...
The GF's original IP4S from launch day was on iOS 6.1.3 and needed to be replaced. We went to Yorkdale Mall Canada on Sat and the first replacement came with iOS 7.0.2. We found some massive debris under the screen and booked another apt at Eaton Center Canada on Tues, this one came with iOS 6.1.3. Talk about lucky; she didn't want to be on iOS 7, her brief testing in the summer and over this weekend wasn't pleasant experience.
It was strange to see the Yorkdale's replacement units all upgraded to iOS 7, meanwhile all over the US everyone else is getting the final build of iOS 6 for the IP4S & IP5.
At the end of this saga, she was super happy about the second replacement and now the entire household is back on iOS 6 for good.
It was strange to see the Yorkdale's replacement units all upgraded to iOS 7, meanwhile all over the US everyone else is getting the final build of iOS 6 for the IP4S & IP5.
At the end of this saga, she was super happy about the second replacement and now the entire household is back on iOS 6 for good.
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I do like how some people just assume their view is the only one that is correct and anyone thinking different has something wrong with them. My admission to liking iOS7 has so far led to me being accused of being on acid, having no taste or liking Android. For what its worth i've never taken any drugs, never used an android device and as for having no taste i suspect i could say the same about you if you dont like it.
I knew from the early beta versions i ran of iOS7 that it would split people down the middle...big redesigns always do but what i havent done is accuse folk who dont like it of being wrong in some way...i've just respected their opinion to not like it.
That is your tipical MacRumours user here!
Definitely something wrong with you if you like what I don't
Ever since upgrade to iOS 7, my battery life went to toilet...I am absolutely want do anything to get iOS 6 back to my iPhone 4S... iOS 7 just terrible on 4S...
Let's look at what he said:
Total number of iPhones sold and upgraded to iOS7 > a hundred million, which I believe is conservative.
Macrumors and other forums members complaining about anything Apple, iPhone, iOS ... again I dunno but being generous I'd say 1,000
So ... total complaints about anything Apple is less than .001%
Yup, I would say that Apple leadership needs to get off their butts and pay attention to less than .001%. But, I'll be generous again and raise it to 10,000. So Apple really really really really (add as many reallys as needed) MUST pay attention to a vocal majority of less than .01%.
I still have hard time to understand why people so defensive on this topic. Asking Apple to given an option to people for someone here is like to insulting Apple for some reason.
Let us face it, when Apple open up ability to downgrade, it won't be like the whole world gonna downgrade at once. Given an option to people is not a bad thing, it doesn't affect you anyway.... Why would someone so against such thing?
It is like religion to me...
Let us face it, when Apple open up ability to downgrade, it won't be like the whole world gonna downgrade at once. Given an option to people is not a bad thing, it doesn't affect you anyway.... Why would someone so against such thing?
It is like religion to me...
It will affect us... If not immediately somewhere down the line... When iOS gets raped with fragmentation...
I'm sure it's the latter...
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We need to keep our priorities straight though. While fragmentation is bad, iOS7 as of version 7.0.3 is worse.
I also own an Android device and while Android is a "fragmented" platform, the user experience on that Android device is better than on iOS7 (as it is now).
You should worry about fragmentation AFTER you made sure that the most recent version is actually appealing to consumers.
"Low fragmentation" doesn't mean anything to users if they lose interest in iOS altogether.
As of now, I have no reason to buy a new iOS device if my current one breaks. THIS is the true danger for iOS at the moment. It could have far worse consequences for the iOS ecosystem than fragmentation ever could.
The problem with today's generation is patience... They want everything now and now... It's a complete overhaul... It's not perfect... No one denies it's imperfections... It needs a few iterations... Give it a little ****ing time... Android was **** till recently, for almost 4 years... (although I still find it ****)... And I'm not even bringin up fragmentation yet... But I don't go and whine incessantly on android forums and name call people who like android... That's te problem with the paid trolls on this forum...
And yes fragmentation will be a bigger problem than you can comprehend...
No it won't have has huge impact as one might think of. Majority if user will probably on the latest OS and people who wants to downgrade will either do it within the allowance period or they won't happy with it. Face it, even without ability to downgrade, there are users will refusing to upgrade. Fragmentation is not something you can prevent. By the way, user who accept downgrade will accept not able to run latest apps.
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Before it gets to "perfect" or acceptable, let people downgrade the freaking OS... Once the OS is good enough, people will upgrade...
You forget one of theist basic human tendencies - "resistance to change"... If the old is available people will stick to it... No matter how good the new is... Ios7 is not as bad as some people like you make it out to be... It has a few minor flaws... Some bugs which the majority don't suffer... It's just the minor things... Most of it is subjective... The vocal minority is just over dramatic and in my opinion a lot of spoilt brats just throwing toys out of their prams...
Given ability to downgrade is merely give people chance to go back if they don't like the new OS. I still cannot understand how this can leads to fragmentation. It is not like all the sudden everybody will downgrade.
If issue is such small thing as you claim, then Apple should feel no problem let people downgrade. Since such issue only impacting such small populations, then only tiny amount of installed base will return to older version. That won't cause lots of issue.
If suddenly everybody downgrade, then Apple better fix its OS.
Read my post again... This time carefully... And try to fathom it... I know it's a difficult task... Please try...
No matter how much you say, give option does not lead to fragmentation... Based on Apple's controlled system, fragmentation will never reach to Android level. You need worry more about feature fragmentation.
Three people will probably stay in iOS 6:
1. One with jailbreak or just does not want upgrade due to whatever the reason. You will not see these people upgrade. They are also likely to demand way to return iOS 6 if they ever upgrade, if there is no way, they won't even upgrade at all.
2. People who upgraded to iOS 7, for whatever the reason they might have, they want to return iOS 6. Some of these people returned to iOS 6 during that extremely short allowance period. Some people stuck with iOS 7 forever. They might sell their iOS 7 device and swap with iOS 6 devices. OR they get extremely annoyed went to Android.
3. You get the people who are indifferent between iOS 6 and iOS 7. No matter how much you loved iOS 7, there are signification population just don't care. So when they upgrade to iOS 7, they probably will stay with iOS 7 or they might downgrade for whatever the reason.
So when you open up the ability to downgrade, only these type of people might be downgrade. If iOS 7 is such great OS, then probably people in 3rd category won't downgrade.
By the way, even if you force everyone upgrade to current OS given their device capable running iOS 7, you still get huge number of people with older device and older OS.
If iOS 7 is really that good, then you should not worry about extremely large number of population stay in iOS 6. AND by the way, iOS 7 really isn't huge change from iOS 6. Still same old stuff from 2007 with new UI and Control Centre...
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You should probably read all the 39 pages carefully... I don't have the patience to argue this all over again... All the points in your post have been answered atleast 10 times with proper reasoning...
Also no matter how optimistic you are, this will lead to fragmentation sooner rather than later... Slowly people might demand a roll back to iOS 5 too... Saying if you allow 6 why not 5... We love 5 we hate 6 etc.
Bottom line is Apple doesn't allow roll backs so either live with it or choose another OS...
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Yes, because people pretending iOS does not have any fragmentation... I am more worry about feature fragmentation than device fragmentation... No matter what, you won't get fragmentation to Android level.
Beside, if iOS 7 is really that good, i guess there won't be thread like this and this long. You don't hear this kinds of thing with iOS 5...
Sounds like you should have paid attention during the beta or not done the upgrade. Don't blame Apple for your mistakes. Bye!
Nothing wrong with discussing why an option like that would be good
As far as fragmentation is concerned it's a fairly moot point as 1) there's no proof it will lead to it on a scale significantly larger than simply what is out there already resulting from those who can't upgrade or simply choose not to, and 2) there's no proof that it will really be some horrible or even noticeably bad thing even if the scale does appear to be larger.
So, yeah, from the consumer point of view, not much of a rational argument against it. And that pretty much then gets to the seemingly ever popular "</thread>".
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Yup, just like the typical iOS consumer who doesn't even know about a beta period and generally what a beta is. There's the "bye" for sure.
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