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No going back to iOS 6 = no more Apple purchases! I'm starting a movement

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The reason this massive thread exists and thrives is because there is no longer someone at Apple that demands perfection. Most humans suck, even very smart ones, and someone needs to be there to demand that perfection.

iOS 7 is half baked, but is not bad, and will only improve. However the ship is not in the shape it was under the command of Mr. Steve Jobs. Current CEO is soft and possibly should replaced. Ive seems too comfortable.
 
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doug in albq said:
The reason this massive thread exists and thrives is because there is no longer someone at Apple that demands perfection. Most humans suck, even very smart ones, and someone needs to be there to demand that perfection.

iOS 7 is half baked, but is not bad, and will only improve. However the ship is not in the shape it was under the command of Mr. Steve Jobs. Current CEO is soft and possibly should replaced. Ive seems too comfortable.
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Steve Jobs also let many unperfected product out. For example: the first OS X is pretty buggy, they had to offer a free upgrade to existing OS X user to Mac OS X 10.1. Not mentioning mobile me and things happened to iPhone 4....
 
C DM said:
Nothing wrong with discussing why an option like that would be good

As far as fragmentation is concerned it's a fairly moot point as 1) there's no proof it will lead to it on a scale significantly larger than simply what is out there already resulting from those who can't upgrade or simply choose not to, and 2) there's no proof that it will really be some horrible or even noticeably bad thing even if the scale does appear to be larger.

So, yeah, from the consumer point of view, not much of a rational argument against it. And that pretty much then gets to the seemingly ever popular "</thread>".

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Yup, just like the typical iOS consumer who doesn't even know about a beta period and generally what a beta is. There's the "bye" for sure.
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Fragmentation isn't a moot point... Like I have no proof to say fragmentation will be large likewise you have no proof fragmentation will not be a problem... It's my business assumption that it's a spiral hole and things will only get worse on that slippery slope... And guess what... Seems Apple management has a similar point of view...

And about the "/thread" why didn't you post a similar comment when your partner "globalist" did the same thing above my post...? That's because you guys have no rationale and have double standards for everything... No wonder this dumb thread is 40 pages long...

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doug in albq said:
The reason this massive thread exists and thrives is because there is no longer someone at Apple that demands perfection. Most humans suck, even very smart ones, and someone needs to be there to demand that perfection.

iOS 7 is half baked, but is not bad, and will only improve. However the ship is not in the shape it was under the command of Mr. Steve Jobs. Current CEO is soft and possibly should replaced. Ive seems too comfortable.
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And then there's this guy... *facepalm*
 
Im sick of seeing this thread at the top of the iOS 7 page!

edit: Dammit my comment just contributed to this threads success.
 
j4zb4 said:
Fragmentation isn't a moot point... Like I have no proof to say fragmentation will be large likewise you have no proof fragmentation will not be a problem... It's my business assumption that it's a spiral hole and things will only get worse on that slippery slope... And guess what... Seems Apple management has a similar point of view...

And about the "/thread" why didn't you post a similar comment when your partner "globalist" did the same thing above my post...? That's because you guys have no rationale and have double standards for everything... No wonder this dumb thread is 40 pages long...

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Let see, under what condition will case iOS fragmented:

1) There is large number of population choose to downgrade to earlier version of iOS.

Yes, if opening the hole, there will be people jumping the ship. If you were correct that majority of people like iOS 7, then you should not have to worry about large spike of people dropping iOS 7.

2) There are large number of people stay with iOS 6.

According to Apple, 64% of people upgraded and the number likely grower a lot after that. So majority of iOS user upgrade to iOS 7.

And last point, fragmentation exists in iOS eco system. It is there even if you trying to ignore it. And by the time goes by as iPhone 4, iPad 2, iPad 3 (maybe) and iPad Mini (maybe) gets kicked out from upgrade list, fragmentation will only increase no matter what. Even if you force everybody on boat, there will be many people left behind.

To total avoid fragmentation, you need force everybody buy device that capable running latest OS. Let me ask you how likely can this happen?

Apple managements make decision from more than one perspectives. Yes, protect iOS from fragmentation maybe one of the reason, but there might more from business perspective. Force people stay inside current OS can certain give a outsider impression of people loving the current OS and high adoption rate can also attract more developers and make good image about its OS.
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doug in albq said:
The reason this massive thread exists and thrives is because there is no longer someone at Apple that demands perfection. Most humans suck, even very smart ones, and someone needs to be there to demand that perfection.

iOS 7 is half baked, but is not bad, and will only improve. However the ship is not in the shape it was under the command of Mr. Steve Jobs. Current CEO is soft and possibly should replaced. Ive seems too comfortable.
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Tim Cook the "poom poom" needs to look at this everyday and realize he needs to MAN UP!
 

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tmanto02 said:
Im sick of seeing this thread at the top of the iOS 7 page!

edit: Dammit my comment just contributed to this threads success.
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Well, if Apple allowed users to go back to iOS6 you wouldn't see it anymore. It being on top only proves how disappointed users are with iOS7.

j4zb4 said:
Fragmentation isn't a moot point... Like I have no proof to say fragmentation will be large likewise you have no proof fragmentation will not be a problem... It's my business assumption that it's a spiral hole and things will only get worse on that slippery slope... And guess what... Seems Apple management has a similar point of view...
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I'd like to bring up Android as an example how a fragmented platform can make people happy.
 
me7 said:
Well, if Apple allowed users to go back to iOS6 you wouldn't see it anymore. It being on top only proves how disappointed users are with iOS7.



I'd like to bring up Android as an example how a fragmented platform can make people happy.
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Android is being fragmented not entirely because user can downgrade as they wish, it is more because there are tons of different phones from manufactures. Manufacture won't have time and resource to update every single phone out there, that is the problem. Luckily, Google is placing their entire core app on their Play Store, that made things better at least.

How given controlled Apple product, you will never seen fragmentation on Android level not even in Windows Phone level even user able to downgrade.
 
I don't think there's anything we can do.

The blame goes to people like on CNET, calling iOS 'boring' and 'outdated', they are the one's who pushed Apple to change it - and change it dramatically.

It's down to a matter of preference, and while a lot of people say they don't like it, a lot more people do like it.

And there are enough people who DO like it to keep Apple's sales high. So sadly, I don't think they'll change it back.

However, hang in there, because they will continue to tweak and adjust things over the next few months.
 
My opinion is if someone spends money to buy a device, they ought to be able to use it along with the original software they bought it with, if that's what they choose to do so. This goes doubly so for people with older devices, for whom updated software may not work as well. Apple can encourage upgrades as it has done so, and make it clear older versions of the software will no longer be supported and is no longer where the action is, and make it a bit of a chore to get the older version, but the older shouldn't just vanish, in my opinion. I suspect if they did that, only a few people who had a strong preference would fail to upgrade.

As for myself, I didn't like the look of ios 7 when I saw articles about it, and so I haven't upgraded my Ipad mini. Who knows, perhaps if I tried it out for a couple weeks I would discover I loved it. I would try it out, except I can't do that without irrecoverably committing myself to the new os. So I'll wait until I have a compelling reason to upgrade.
 
The calendar and music apps don't need tweaks, the need to be changed from the ground up. What we have right now are perfect examples of bad software development with no consideration for usability.

The current music app makes me feel cheated. I paid 400€ for a 64GB iPod touch with a software that is capable of managing a large music collection. A few months later an update appears that cripples my device's core functionality. The new music app is totally unsuited for collections larger than a few dozen albums. I don't see the point of staying quiet and waiting a few months because Apple might fix it.

There is a piece of software that works perfectly fine. It's called iOS 6.1.3. It would cost Apple nothing to make it available to me. The only sensible thing would be to re-enable signing of iOS6 installations until they are able to provide a music app in iOS7 that is practical.

I paid for the functionality that they removed in iOS7. Why do people forget that in this discussion all the time?
 
appbite said:
Go and do the survey with apple store staff....you will know who is in majority.
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Or you won't. They won't be able to tell you how many folks 'a lot' is or how many folks walked in and didn't ask that question.

And you don't know how many folks there are in total that have an iOS device capable of iOS 7, are using it, like it or don't.

And without those kinds of solid numbers you can't say majority or not.
 
j4zb4 said:
Fragmentation isn't a moot point... Like I have no proof to say fragmentation will be large likewise you have no proof fragmentation will not be a problem... It's my business assumption that it's a spiral hole and things will only get worse on that slippery slope... And guess what... Seems Apple management has a similar point of view...

And about the "/thread" why didn't you post a similar comment when your partner "globalist" did the same thing above my post...? That's because you guys have no rationale and have double standards for everything... No wonder this dumb thread is 40 pages long...

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And then there's this guy... *facepalm*
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And there's no proof of what Apple is thinking and that something like fragmentation is behind anything related to this or anything at all. All continued assumptions that really don't make a case for much.

And to further prove all that, the whole thing about "</thread>" is one of the bigger assumptions...and couldn't be more wrong. All of which brings even more meaning to "</thread>" in this case.
 
appbite said:
Stop pretending and understand the ground reality.
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Seems to me you are the one that is pretending. Pretending that anecdotes are the same as scientifically sound data.

Or even that you are an authority on taste. Or good design. Just because you don't like the visual UI of iOS 7 proves nothing. About you or anyone else.
 
Let's all of us step back and take a deep breath before anyone writes anything that can be perceived as harsh and/or intolerant.

If this keeps up someone is going to resort to name calling and then this thread will begin to become worthless.
 
C DM said:
And there's no proof of what Apple is thinking and that something like fragmentation is behind anything related to this or anything at all. All continued assumptions that really don't make a case for much.

And to further prove all that, the whole thing about "</thread>" is one of the bigger assumptions...and couldn't be more wrong. All of which brings even more meaning to "</thread>" in this case.
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Yea so those who don't agree with you can't post that... But it's ok for people who agree with you to post it... Interesting... Proves your shallowness... Anyways I'm done... Yet again...
 
I do think people bring up a legitimate issue when they address the possibility of fragmentation. One of the reasons I love my Ipad mini is there is such excellent software available for it, and one of the reasons it there is such excellent software available for it is it's easier for developers to write software for a single cohesive platform.

Having said, that, I'd offer three counterarguments.

1. I don't think that allowing users who wish to to re-install ios 6 would contribute that much to fragmentation. I don't think that many users would take advantage of it. After all it would be a chore. One has to wipe one's machine, and re-install everything from scratch. Furthermore, Apple could add additional hoops if it wished, such as a big button one had to press acknowledging that this was an obsolete version of the software, that it was no longer supported, that developers were no longer developing for it, and that Apple felt you would really be happier with their shiny new operating system.

I called up my brother after ios 7 came out and asked if he'd upgraded his iphone, and he didn't know. It turned out he had, he just care enough to notice. I suspect most users wouldn't bother to go to the trouble of installing the old os; it would likely be limited to people who had issues with older hardware or software, or who had very strong opinions about design aesthetics. And if I'm wrong, and a sizeable number of people did choose to stick with ios 6, that might be a sign there are issues Apple ought to address in ios 7.

2. While some people would re-install ios 6 given the opportunity, that would be mitigated by people who would upgrade, once they were confident it wasn't an irrevocable decision. Personally, I would install ios 7 today on my ipad, if I knew I could try it out for a couple weeks and revert back if I really didn't care for it.

3. While there might be costs to additional fragmentation, those costs would primarily be born by those who made the choice not to upgrade. Obviously, someone electing to use the older ios can't expect to get the new features of the new software, and can't expect developers to develop or upgrade software for what is now a minority platform. Presumably those people who make the decision not to upgrade have decided it is worth this cost.
 
j4zb4 said:
Yea so those who don't agree with you can't post that... But it's ok for people who agree with you to post it... Interesting... Proves your shallowness... Anyways I'm done... Yet again...
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I'm not even sure what you are talking about, so I guess it's good that it's done.
 
RickTaylor said:
I do think people bring up a legitimate issue when they address the possibility of fragmentation. One of the reasons I love my Ipad mini is there is such excellent software available for it, and one of the reasons it there is such excellent software available for it is it's easier for developers to write software for a single cohesive platform.

Having said, that, I'd offer three counterarguments.

1. I don't think that allowing users who wish to to re-install ios 6 would contribute that much to fragmentation. I don't think that many users would take advantage of it. After all it would be a chore. One has to wipe one's machine, and re-install everything from scratch. Furthermore, Apple could add additional hoops if it wished, such as a big button one had to press acknowledging that this was an obsolete version of the software, that it was no longer supported, that developers were no longer developing for it, and that Apple felt you would really be happier with their shiny new operating system.

I called up my brother after ios 7 came out and asked if he'd upgraded his iphone, and he didn't know. It turned out he had, he just care enough to notice. I suspect most users wouldn't bother to go to the trouble of installing the old os; it would likely be limited to people who had issues with older hardware or software, or who had very strong opinions about design aesthetics. And if I'm wrong, and a sizeable number of people did choose to stick with ios 6, that might be a sign there are issues Apple ought to address in ios 7.

2. While some people would re-install ios 6 given the opportunity, that would be mitigated by people who would upgrade, once they were confident it wasn't an irrevocable decision. Personally, I would install ios 7 today on my ipad, if I knew I could try it out for a couple weeks and revert back if I really didn't care for it.

3. While there might be costs to additional fragmentation, those costs would primarily be born by those who made the choice not to upgrade. Obviously, someone electing to use the older ios can't expect to get the new features of the new software, and can't expect developers to develop or upgrade software for what is now a minority platform. Presumably those people who make the decision not to upgrade have decided it is worth this cost.
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You know what... I have a good idea... Apple should allow users to re-install iOS 6 after the window... But at a cost of 20-30$... Hehe... It'll automatically stop people from going back and will stop the whiners too...
 
j4zb4 said:
You know what... I have a good idea... Apple should allow users to re-install iOS 6 after the window... But at a cost of 20-30$... Hehe... It'll automatically stop people from going back and will stop the whiners too...
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I have a better idea. I'll pay you 50$ if you stop coming back to this thread to whine about the iOS7 whiners. :D
 
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