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No MacWorld SF Keynote Broadcast?
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I agree. If you were planning on buying a mac after macorldd will it really affect your decision if the there is a broadcast of the keynote or not?artifex said:A couple hundred thousand, probably.
Does it matter? As long as the headless mac comes out, I won't care if I get the news on /. or even an email from Apple, I'll just want an order link and some assurance of delivery this quarter, while I can still get my student discount.
I think Steve should host SNL. Who's with me here! They could have Coldplay or the Black Eyed Peas as a musical guest.
Zaty said:
Maybe Apple shoud simply state it on their 'QuickTime What's On' page.
"Sorry folks, the live webcasts were fun but far too expensive".
I bet everyone would stop argueing then.
MacsRgr8 said:
Yah, but think of the multitude of people who tune in for them! It's not like they're spending a lot of money for a small audience or something!
MacsRgr8 said:
Only there's no concrete proof they'er too expensive. Considering they were doing webcasts all the way back when they were just getting out of the red and their stock was at $11 a share in 99-00, now they have closing in on six BILLION in the black and a stock that just recently hit a high of $69 NOW they say it's too expensive?!? That's some exquisite BS quite frankly.
It's really about jobs and his fragile ego and wanting to razzamatazz people without fear of it being in front of millions. It's stupid, he has this rabid loyal following and treats them like garbage.
~Shard~ said:
I bet only us Apple/Mac/Jobs die hard fans tune in.
The press will be at The Moscone Center, and the webcast will surely be avialable the next day. So who is he missing out?
Basically Apple is spending alot of money on entertaining the fans, really.
Don't get me wrong: I love watching the keynote, and am pretty disappointed I can't watch it live... especially as it is at a very convenient time for me (6 pm.... lovely with a pizza and coke
)But if it does cost alot of money and Apple sees no profit in the live webcast, I understand it.
leave before he beats you again!
That sounds like the very definition of an abusive relationship....
My take is that they realize that Quicktime isn't up to the task, so rather than suffer another embarrassing webcast they've dropped the idea.
On the other hand, dropping the satellite feeds to the stores and other people with dishes is probably The Ego® at work. Satellite time is really quite cheap these days....
Photorun said:
That sounds like the very definition of an abusive relationship....
Photorun said:
My take is that they realize that Quicktime isn't up to the task, so rather than suffer another embarrassing webcast they've dropped the idea.
On the other hand, dropping the satellite feeds to the stores and other people with dishes is probably The Ego® at work. Satellite time is really quite cheap these days....
Photorun said:
True... no proof.
But have you seen the last couple of live webcasts? They were having bandwidth problems big time (at least over here in Europe). I bet, now especially with the headless iMac rumors, the demand will be at least doubled.. maybe at the most even ten-fold.
It could also be that it would suffer major technical difficulties, and if Apple were to guarantee the bandwidth it would cost a huge sum of money.
MacsRgr8 said:
Yah, but there are a lot of us die hard fans! To summarize a discussion I was involved in regarding this very point, have you ever visited a Mac IRC channel during a live webcast? Here's an example:
Ted: here it comes...
MacBoy: that wasn't so cool
iluvsteve: it's not small enough
lickable: i'm in love
gregmac: steve is hot
G6: what's happening now?!?!?
doug-eMac: OMGOMGOMGOMG
nickname: one more thing!
AppleDave: One more thing!!!
hax0r: he said "one more thing"
macdude: knew it! one more thing!
steveiloveyou: ONE MORE THING
iPaul: i bet it's the apple tv!
G6: i can't see the stream ;_;
yoda: onew moer thigns!!!!!
iluvsteve: one more thingg
BondiTed: there's one more thing!!1
MACSSUCK: YOU GUYS SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!
iDude: ha!
cindyjobs: one more thing!!!!
steve_: it's the icar!!!
mosesjones: one more thing!
applerules: better be a cheaper ipod!
freeipod: one more thing!
G6: i want to see!1
3macs: one more!!
i want steve: one more thing!!
penis: he said one mroe thing! ...
And this banter continues on for about 90 minutes with a hundred or so people repeating every line out of Steve's mouth.
And the scary thing is, some of the Mac forums are much worse.
MacsRgr8 said:I bet only us Apple/Mac/Jobs die hard fans tune in.
But if it does cost alot of money and Apple sees no profit in the live webcast, I understand it.
Considering Jobs said during a 2002 keynote there was over a MILLION people logged in watching the keynote webcast, are you saying that a million customers tuning in is small potatoes? That's a lot of die hard fans. And with the prebuzz and expectations and curiousity I bet this will be the highest amount yet.
And no profit?!? You obviously don't work in advertising or any company that does anything to be in front of their loyal, repeat LOYAL customers! How many companies would kill for one million people to see their product in an instant, let alone have people tune in, many many (over a dozen of my friends) taking off work et. al. to see an event, AN EVENT! It's the superbowl of the Apple world, now imagine if the Superbowl decided, you know what? We don't want a viewing audience, we only want the people who pay to come to the stadium to see it... I mean... huh?!?
The profit, getting back to this, comes in people who get excited watching it live... LIVE, and will crank open the credit cards because part of Steve's razzamatazz IS effectively getting people worked up, no different than the people on HSN that do their deal. Buy now basically. Of the various people who belong to my MUG and I know throughout the campus I work at and the ad industry I used to work at, it's live or nothing. Who wants to watch a taped program? Honestly think about this, everything Apple will announce will be all over rumor sites and of course Apple's home page? So where's the excitement of Jobs rehashing things taped that you know? Unless you're the type that likes to have people tell you the synopsis and ending of a movie with every detail THEN go see the movie... I'm sorry MacsRgr8 but you're clearly misguided, feel flamed here if you must, I respect your opinion but from every marketing and business angle it's like Apple is flushing away revenue, buzz, and common sense too.
And as an old advertisting guy this is pure lunacy for Apple to shelf what, come on, be real, doesn't cost that much to broadcast (seriously dude, seriously, it doesn't) in terms then of immediate buzz and purchasing that puppy pays for itself. How do I know? The Apple Store has locked up on a few occassions right after a couple past streamed keynotes. This time it won't.
The reality isn't it's about money, it's about Jobs fragile ego, the leaks, and the fact Jobs is doing his "I'm taking my ball and going home" waaah waaah crybaby routine. Behavior he's done in the past in other things, he's a brilliant genius and sadly many of those are totally out of step with the real world.
Holding my breath
Let's see now ...
This is a rumor site, therefore nothing is positive until there are actual results.
Let's wait and see what happens:
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Checklist: (circle the Yes or No if it gets announced, or not)
Steve's KeyNote "live" at the local Apple Store: Yes / No
$500 Performa G4 "headless" desktop: Yes / No
G5 Laptop: Yes / No
iPod phone: Yes / No
iLife '05: Yes / No
MS Office equivalent: Yes / No
Ultra Top Secret software that nobody could have expected: Yes / No
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My guess: Yes (Steve loves the limelight), No (not gonna happen), No (too hot), Yes (I told you so), Yes (..d'uh), Yes (but it's just ClarisWorks/AppleWorks with another new name), Yes (Tiger).
Let's see now ...
This is a rumor site, therefore nothing is positive until there are actual results.
Let's wait and see what happens:
=-=
Checklist: (circle the Yes or No if it gets announced, or not)
Steve's KeyNote "live" at the local Apple Store: Yes / No
$500 Performa G4 "headless" desktop: Yes / No
G5 Laptop: Yes / No
iPod phone: Yes / No
iLife '05: Yes / No
MS Office equivalent: Yes / No
Ultra Top Secret software that nobody could have expected: Yes / No
=-=
My guess: Yes (Steve loves the limelight), No (not gonna happen), No (too hot), Yes (I told you so), Yes (..d'uh), Yes (but it's just ClarisWorks/AppleWorks with another new name), Yes (Tiger).
MacsRgr8 said:
I wrote Apple myself as a stockholder and said if it's so expensive make it a pay-per-view webcast, other outlets do this with other media (besides porn that is). I'm sure they wont write back but, my gut tells me, even if they listened and opened a dialogue with me, they WOULDN'T no matter how many subscribers because this isn't about the money, it's about Jobs himself.
~Shard~ said:Yah, but there are a lot of us die hard fans! To summarize a discussion I was involved in regarding this very point, have you ever visited a Mac IRC channel during a live webcast? Here's an example:
And the scary thing is, some of the Mac forums are much worse.
You bet! I always tune into the MacRumorsIRC at these live Apple events to get the info asap!
My point is that there is no money-making in entertaining the allready Mac-enthousiasts. It's fun to do, and Apple should always do it as long as the costs are reasonable.
If Apple were to expect at least twice the bandwidth demand (maybe far, far more) than last year's keynote (tnx to the headless iMac rumor), then costs made to ensure the this demand could be astronomically high....
Photorun said:
Don't worry.. been here to long to feel flamed over difference of opinions.
I understand what you're saying.
I feel (can't prove it) that the costs for making this live webcast decently viewable for everyone, could outweigh the profits made by getting people all worked up.
Most of us here get worked up just by an updated Apple homepage.
How many of those 1 million were not a Mac fanatic? Do you think that if that webcast wasn't live it would have hurt sales?
Also, the huge WWDC (intro G5) was also not a live webcast. I think Apple sees less impact from such an event than you do.
But, you can be absolutely right. I am just defending Apple's decision here.
MacsRgr8 said:
By "logical explanation" I referred to the following part:
"Sources further cite post-event streams and authorized product pages and press releases as more favorable avenues of news distribution for Apple -- eliminating the chaos and potential misinterpretations of news reported through Mac websites from realtime feeds."
What if Apple announces a new product and that product has a feature that is crucial for the success of the product in question. Now, let's say that feature could easily be misunderstood or misinterpreted by some members of the press watching the keynote. That lack of understanding could lead to bad press which Apple wants to avoid for obvious reason. Sorry, I know, I'm bit vague but it's an attempt to explain why Apple might want to spread the news through press releases and special events for the press rather than real time streams. As much as I would love to watch the keynote live, if that's the reason why it's not going to happen I totally understand Apple's decision. As for the costs of a live webcast, it certainly is true that Apple doesn't lose anything because everyone who buys a new product will do so regardless if the announcement was shown life or not. OTH, those who say a life webcast would give something back to Apple's loyal customers without whom Apple wouldn't have billions in the bank are certainly right, too. But at the end of day, Apple is nothing but a company that first and foremost wants to make as much money as possible. So, either way, we have to get used to the fact that the time of live streams is over. Sad but true.
JJTiger1 said:Let's see now ...
This is a rumor site, therefore nothing is positive until there are actual results.
Let's wait and see what happens:
=-=
Checklist: (circle the Yes or No if it gets announced, or not)
Steve's KeyNote "live" at the local Apple Store: Yes / No
$500 Performa G4 "headless" desktop: Yes / No
G5 Laptop: Yes / No
iPod phone: Yes / No
iLife '05: Yes / No
MS Office equivalent: Yes / No
Ultra Top Secret software that nobody could have expected: Yes / No
=-=
My guess: Yes (Steve loves the limelight), No (not gonna happen), No (too hot), Yes (I told you so), Yes (..d'uh), Yes (but it's just ClarisWorks/AppleWorks with another new name), Yes (Tiger).
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JJTiger1 said:
Steve's KeyNote "live" at the local Apple Store: Yes, going to be cautiously optimistic. It will just take time to accept the the change as mentioned by others. Who's knows feedback to Apple might change the mind of Steve.
$500 Performa G4 "headless" desktop: Yes, but don't think that will be the name. It will be something that we haven't though of yet.
G5 Laptop: Not, but a G4 update is very possible.
iPod phone: Yes, some sort of announcement will come from Motorola
iLife '05: Yes, possible, but may not arrive till Tiger.
MS Office equivalent: Yes, why not anything is possible.
Ultra Top Secret software that nobody could have expected: Yes, but it won't be Tiger. Steve always has a surprise in store.
wdlove said:
That announcement has already come. Please see: Motorola Previews iTunes Phone. I seriously doubt Steve will mention this other than in passing.
Ok, no broadcast.
So where are the best places to hang out to get stuff live or just after the keynote - with plenty of detail?
So where are the best places to hang out to get stuff live or just after the keynote - with plenty of detail?