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Except for those who use an Apple wireless keyboard or mouse.

And those who connect their iPhones with their car stereos, hands free systems and bluetooth speakers or headphones. :rolleyes:

Didn't wireless-USB just finish it's long development process? Apple could switch to that. Though, they should be sure they're properly licensing it, first.
 
Didn't wireless-USB just finish it's long development process? Apple could switch to that. Though, they should be sure they're properly licensing it, first.

And that license will have Nokia's name written all over it.

From the facts shown this is something where it looks like Nokia are in the right and Apple are in the wrong. If Apple REALLY think and can, more importantly prove, that the 10 infringements Nokia have brought up are not essential to the Mac, iTouch and iPhone then kudos to their law and research and dev department.

But I don't think they can get out of this one
 
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Maybe Apple doesn't want to pay 3 times what everyone else is paying.

Saying it multiple times doesn't make it true. Nokia asked for 3 times what was asked the previous year. At no point do Apple say that that was 3 times what 'everyone else' was paying.

Apple didn't think the F/RAND terms in Spring 2008 were fair and neither did they think paying 3 times that amount was fair either. At this point we've no idea if what they were asked to pay is what 'everyone else' pays.
 
Heads up, fellows.

This is not just another countersuit. It's a complaint with the ITC.

The ITC can and does pretty much make up their own patent rulings.

Just a few years ago, Broadcom went to the ITC with its patents, and the ITC forbid imports to the USA of any Qualcomm based phones manufactured overseas.

That effectively meant that supplies of all CDMA phones would dry up quickly to nothing, rendering Verizon and Sprint helpless. Verizon had to negotiate their own hundreds of millions of dollars of royalty payments, just to free up their phone supply.

This is a very clever move. There is the potential of banning all Apple products manufactured overseas, from entering the USA.

Hey, thanks for ruining a great discussion thread of fanboi cries and troll posts with your insightful and informative post.
 
Interestingly, none of those things were created by Apple.

Nor was the iPhone a "revolution". It was an evolution.

Other groups were working on touchscreen multi-media devices with virtual keyboards (Nokia, in fact, released 2 such devices before the iPhone, with an up-front statement that it would evolve into a phone). Nokia even had a previous touch-screen phone, pre-dating the iPhone by _years_.

"Visual Voicemail" was already an available product (Apple even got sued for it).

Pinch to Zoom was an existing part of Multi-Touch demos from the company that actually developed Multi-Touch (which wasn't Apple).

What Apple did, just like with the Macintosh and iPod, was accurately judge the necessary EXISTING features, properly package them, and successfully market that package of features.

The iPhone is an evolution of existing market features and even existing market trends. Not a revolution.

Fine, if so.. Why did Steve Jobs claim it a revolutionary device that would change the industry? As it sure did and most agree.
Where were these Nokia phones, and multi-touch, and pinch-and-zoom?
Where's and why wasn't this "lawsuit" mostly talked about?
Where is this Apple failure at?
Where is the evidence?!& proof.
Or did you just read another one of those lousy web blogs where it claims Apple copy-catted technology?
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yeah. And without Apple we would still have mobiles like those from Nokia just a few years ago. I think Nokia has got what they deserve.

Pioneers ... maybe. They were good a long time ago, but meanwhile using their mobiles is a neverending source of frustration and despair.


Wow. Where will all this end up?
I tink that one of the pioneers of modern telecommunication want what they deserve. (Cue cries of "Nokia fanboy")

Without Nokia (and the others involved in the development of gsm technology), you wouldn't have an iPhone.
 
Remember, all glory is fleeting. Something, somewhere, will derail the Apple train, and you don't want to be trapped on it with your first class ticket.
 
Remember, all glory is fleeting. Something, somewhere, will derail the Apple train, and you don't want to be trapped on it with your first class ticket.

The same could be said for Nokia - a company which has seen its profits derail for most of the year, and decided that now, it wants a healthier slice of the Apple pie.
 
The same could be said for Nokia - a company which has seen its profits derail for most of the year, and decided that now, it wants a healthier slice of the Apple pie.

You really do sound like a brainless fanboy

Isn't clear to you that this isn't about money, Nokia could have set a price per iPhone to charge Apple, instead they said they will let the courts decide the amount to be paid. Nokia still operate at a 20+ BILLION revenue in comparison to Apple, who are in a lot more markets than Nokia

If you can't see thefacts of this discussion you shouldn't even be involved
 
Nokia is still the largest mobile phone manufacturer by a huge margin. It's larger than the 2nd and 3rd together. It hasn't lost market share.

Apple needs to pay for the essential patents they're using in iphone. There're is just no way around it. It gets all the time more strange that they didn't pay up in the beginning.

To get some other facts straight, Nokia did approach Apple already in 2007 when first iphone was launched, offering them the same fair and non-discriminating terms everyone else in the industry uses.

I really doubt that you know the exact details of the talks between Apple and Nokia if you're not an Apple attorney.
 
The same could be said for Nokia - a company which has seen its profits derail for most of the year, and decided that now, it wants a healthier slice of the Apple pie.

Certainly, the same can be said. But Apple will become a cropper in the same way eventually.
 
Saying it multiple times doesn't make it true. Nokia asked for 3 times what was asked the previous year. At no point do Apple say that that was 3 times what 'everyone else' was paying.

However, they did say that the initial offer from nokia was in excess of what everyone else was paying under the F/RAND deal:

Article 82. Nokia demanded a royalty three times as much as the royalty proposed prior sping, which was itself in excess of a F/RAND rate
 
You really do sound like a brainless fanboy

Isn't clear to you that this isn't about money, Nokia could have set a price per iPhone to charge Apple, instead they said they will let the courts decide the amount to be paid. Nokia still operate at a 20+ BILLION revenue in comparison to Apple, who are in a lot more markets than Nokia

If you can't see thefacts of this discussion you shouldn't even be involved

The only one brainless here is you.

Did you mean to state: "Isn't it clear to you that this isn't about money?"

If not, then WTF else would it be about?

Nokia Wants A Piece of Apple's Pie

Nokia's profits were down 90% in Q1 and down 66% in Q2 - this seemed rather significant to them, as did their dismal projections.

Before you go spouting off like a brainless fairy, do a little research, and use some common sense.
 
I have patents of every single letter, Nokia infringe my patents by "virtually all" words they say.
 
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