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Nokia Unveils First 'Lumia' Phones Based on Windows Phone 7.5
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I always had Nokia phones before iPhone turned up. They were a great company until they started making way too many models with wacko designs. This turquoise one looks quite promising in the ad, but the photo a few post earlier it look cheap and nasty. The white one in the add looks like a ten-year out-of-date brick.
I do like the look of the Windows software though - if nothing else they aren't cloning iOS. But I agree also that it looks cluttered and messy. However over time it may be OK.
I think though this will be a huge flop like that iPod copy MS were pushing a few years ago...
I do like the look of the Windows software though - if nothing else they aren't cloning iOS. But I agree also that it looks cluttered and messy. However over time it may be OK.
I think though this will be a huge flop like that iPod copy MS were pushing a few years ago...
is the nano tapered? does the nano have curved glass, to fit with the overall curvature of the device? if no, then what? Apple not only has exclusive rights to "Square within square with rounded corner", but also "rounded square, within square"
Jesus F. Christ.
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Its funny. When Android outperform the iPhone, spec wise, all we hear is: Specs doesn't matter. When someone else does the same, then its fail...
MR logic at its best.
It doesn't look like you are reading many of the responses in this thread. Most is bickering, little is about people being interested in actually buying these products.
Yes the 4th and 5th generation Nano had curved glass to match the curvature of the device. Regardless, I wouldn't say that Apple Owns that design in the end.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qce5wju66s
If that isn't good enough for you, well, you really need to look beyond a phone camera to begin with...
Sorry but your post makes no sense. I'll try to ignore the fact that "roadmaps" is corporate buzzword babble like synergy and that no regular consumer would be caught dead talking about. Tell me, where in the roadmap from MSFT was the discontinuation of Zune hardware well in advance of it actually happening? Where in their road map did they mention that the Zune would not support playsforsure prior to it being announced? Where in their "roadmap" did they warn people a year in advance that they would be dropping "playsforsure" support?
Roadmaps is a meaningless buzzword used by executives to justify sticking with a high priced vendor that cannot guarantee what the future holds even with a "roadmap".
As for you being disappointed the Apple did not create rumoured products? Boo hoo. Get real. The iPhone 4S is faster gfx-wise than any other phone out there and it is more than twice as fast for generic CPU instructions than the iPhone 4. What more do you want? Do you expect them to change case designs every year?
Except Ballmer and co. are still running MS. Not quite an awe-inspiring recipe for change.
Does MS have a Steve Jobs-type figure ready to swoop in and re-invent the brand and their business? Sometimes that's what it takes. I don't see any visionary at MS. Do you?
Yes. But the signs for it aren't very encouraging. Anything can happen. But if nothing fundamental changes at MS (and nothing has, by the looks of it) it'll probably be more of the same.
With what we'e seen today from MS and Nokia, it's getting harder and harder to notice. Apparently, this is defined as a radical change at MS. LOL
Of course. It's called "Market Realities." Something MS and a few others in the same boat have yet to wake up to.
Absolutely. They've earned it. I'm also passionate about seeing things clearly. A lot of that clarity involves acknowledging an Apple-dominated market reality in one way or another - whether in terms of ideas, products, mindshare etc. There's no point in denying it, and more importantly, there's no point in pretending it has no effect. The effect is palpable and far-reaching, for the industry at large and consumers alike. Apple sneezes, and everyone else reaches for a Kleenex.
MS has, is, and judging from what we're seeing, will, perform way below expectations, way below what their R&D and mass of human capital suggests is possible. And in light of Ballmer's track record, his attitude, beliefs about tech and the people he chooses to surround himself with, what's going to change? And when? And why should anything change at all, given that the very Board that Ballmer is responsible to appears wholly complicit in his "strategy"?
I don't work for Apple.
And yes, I'm quite biased. I'm biased against ****, and the companies that think it's perfectly fine to mass-produce it, and then either laugh about it or act completely incredulous when a) consumers end up not wanting it, or b) someone else comes along and proves it to them.
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You know you're talking about the company that turned a frigging ring tone into an icon, right? I mean, i guess you're an American, and thus your ignorance is somewhat excused, but please, educate yourself.
As for Lumia, my guess is that its their way of differentiating their WP line from their Symbian line. With their number system going from 1xx (low-end) to 9xx (high-end), and WP to extend chassis there is bound to be some overlap. Lumia vs. Asha (or whatever it was) fixes that.
And yeah, that explains the numbers too. They're easy to understand, once you bother to take the "I'm a bitch"-hat off and stop complaining
P.S.
Settle for one phone? Yeah. Brilliant. Someone make this guy CEO of Nokia STAT. Jesus.
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Market is anything but saturated. Stop trolling.
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Amen.
I understand some people trying to defend Apple or whatever to justify your purchases. They make great products and have a great ecosystem in place. But aren't people sick of iPhones already? Without Android, many manufacturers will create different OSes and none of them would be great at it since they are better with hardware. Android is what glues them. An iOS monopoly would bore me to tears. So many ways to simplify it for NOVICE users that it omits standard features that others had for years. Apple didn't even add a front camera until the 4th gen. Microsoft is doing this right now without expandable memory or front camera.
Without Android or WP7, I would be bored as hell with all phones out there. It would be iPhone or nothing. I need choices. And even iOS after more than four years has looked archaic, jailbroken or not. My iPhone 4 is in mint condition but the home button is acting up where I need to press it hard or a couple times for it to work. Probably need to vacuum off the dust, but I hate that iOS relies so much on that home button. Palm's webOS had a better implementation on how to back out from apps and then closed them by swiping up.
I mention this home button nonsense because my Nexus One is known to have a faulty power button after repeated presses. But since I got one brand new last week, I use a "No Lock" app and "Screen Off" app that I haven't touched the power button in a week. And when I clean up the screen, I can still use the trackball to navigate it to avoid my OCD. Options. Android may not be as stable or polished as either WP7 and iOS, but it gives me more options like putting more doors in a house.
The point for all this is to have more options or we will be left with stagnant and sometimes archaic technology like what iOS' GUI is starting to look like. Less roads and freeways to get to work if the fundamental rule is only one way.
Or could it be that these Apple fans have looked at the competitor and decided its missing features that they use and enjoy on their iPhones? Nah, it must be the "Apple reality distortion field".
No, Sweden. And no, i don't work for Nokia. I work for a Swedish university. As for Nokia, i haven't owned a Nokia device since god knows. Nokia 3210. Must be over ten years by now...
I've said the same thing a few times in this thread. Funny huh?
If it's so hard to notice and they are irrelevant companies - why so passionate about defending Apple or kicking these companies while they are "down" (in your eyes). What's the point? They must be relevant enough to cause you such woes. Especially since you're so biased against ******.
And on that note - just because someone else's ecosystem, products, etc don't appeal to you doesn't make them crap. Just because STEVE thought they were crap doesn't mean they are crap.
Microsoft seems to be doing ok. Same with Nokia. Maybe they don't have the #s they used to. Maybe they will succeed with some products and fail with others. You aren't the arbiter of the past, present and future. Neither was Steve.
Steve made plenty of misteps. He was also fortunate (as well as smart) that things aligned for him. Not that he didn't work hard - he did. But at any turn they could have been radically different. And almost were.
And for every name you call Ballmer and spew hatred (and I have no desire to defend Ballmer anyway) you could easily criticize Jobs for. Neither one is someone I'd personally want to be FRIENDS with based on how they behave. Genius or not.
Intel has a roadmap, showing when various Sandy Bridge processors will be released, when Ivy Bridge will be released, and so forth. I realize this is a foreign concept to you, but "roadmap" certainly has a meaning. The fact that you don't understand it doesn't change that. It's certainly no more a buzzword than "ecosystem", but that one makes Apple sound better, so it's loved here.
I'm also not sure why you think I was disappointed that the 4S lacked features (though I would have liked a bigger screen). If you read my comment, you'd see I was frustrated by not knowing when it would be updated, and I wasn't willing to but something that was going to be outdated shortly. If Apple had said, early this year "we'll be releasing the next iPhone in October" I'd have been ok with that. Instead, June rolled around... and went by without a peep. As a consumer, I had no idea when the iPhone was going to be updated. That's what a roadmap prevents.
Why does everyone judge a CELL PHONE by how many games or apps it can run? I don't care that the iPhone has 500,000 apps it can run...I own about 6. My friends own about 10-15 on average. Games? Um...sure, who doesn't mind a game every now and then while on the subway or as a passenger in a car. But it's still on a small 4.5" diagonal display.
No doubt games will get better on tiny devices like cell phones...but a vast majority of us can care less about games...except for the somewhat simplistic ones like Solitaire and Angry Birds. To each his own, of course...but I just think the iPhone has so much more to offer than bazillions of apps and bazillions of games.
I think iPad 3 will be the real game machine from Apple...when the resolution is higher, the CPU is faster, and possibly stereo speakers.
My comment was about people believing that Apple invents everything because they aren't aware of what other companies are doing. You're addressing what people buy. You aren't even responding to what I said.
The rumors where always that Nokia had 10 designers on each technician.
LM Ericsson had 10 technician on each designer.
Back early 1990 LM Ericsson where the largest cell phone maker in the world. They where 3-4 years ahead of everyone.
The self confidence inside Ericsson was enormous.
In a desperate move Nokia gave every single Ericsson employee there I worked an offer: Jump to Nokia and get 30% more salary. Massive brain drain. Nokias first design phone: the Banana phone in Matrix was released.
Ericsson laughed. They hired ex Microsoft Rolf Skoglund as IT strategist. Within 4 years with him Ericsson went from 250+ SEK down to 3 SEK in share price. 99% share drop thanks to stupid Microsoft.
Now Nokia made the same mistake. Hired a Microsoft CEO that is insane. Nokia gets a billion from MSFT that they have to repay with each telephone they make.
Both Nokia and Ericsson have a special place in my heart since I worked at both places. Both places where killed by maniac leaders that believe that Microsoft cares for anybody but them self.
Rip Nokia.
Who cares what people claim Apple did and did not invent. This thread is about the merits of Nokia's new Windows Phone. Don't know why you felt the need to campaign against Apple fans here.
The is hilarious. Anyone who doesn't recognise that Nokia make outstanding hardware regardless of the OS is not worth listening to. WP7(.5) is also an amazing OS, widely regarded as being smoother than iOS on last years hardware.
How come it was never about specs before, but now when the iPhone has something better than the competition then specs are something that can't be ignored?
The bottom line is that the Lumina 800 is going to be a great device regardless of people buying it or not.
I love my iPhone, but I try to give all platforms an equal chance.
How come it was never about specs before, but now when the iPhone has something better than the competition then specs are something that can't be ignored?
The bottom line is that the Lumina 800 is going to be a great device regardless of people buying it or not.
I love my iPhone, but I try to give all platforms an equal chance.
Oh. See, when someone says something, I react to what they say. It's called a conversation. You might want to give it a try at some point.
Or in different terms....Anybody that doesn't agree with your opinion is simply not worth listening to.
I have a Samsung focus. It is neither smoother or better than iOS.
Ok, many nanos flying around here. I can't remember the nano ever being curved in two directions though, which, unless i am mistaken, is the case with N9/800.
Ah, thats what you were trying to do. I thought you came to the Macrumors message board to complain about Apple fans (which of course you did).