Nokia Unveils First 'Lumia' Phones Based on Windows Phone 7.5

[shompa]

Was it not mentioned in Steve's jobs book that ALL apple products are built in China in factories whose conditions are so bad people commit suicide to be noticed. And Apple did the right thing!! They installed nets! Problem solved.

And of course, Jobs was never about money, that's why he chose China! No cost savings there, just enriches everyone's lives!

1) The chinese people working in the factories makes more money then the average chinese. They are not forced to work there more then I am forced to work at a ****** job.
2) Apple did not install net. You are just silly
3) Apple have NOTHING with FoxConn to do beside order assembly of parts there. Its FoxConns job to take care of its employes, not Steves. This is just lefty thinking like its US fault that people starve in Somalia.
4) In the same FoxConn factory Dell, HP and other companies assembles their products. Why did you not write "dell put up safety nets". No. You did not write that since you hate Apple and believe everything is Apples fault.

In the book Steve told Obama that he wants to have factories in the US. The problem where bureaucracy, permits and union. I may not agree with everything, but that are the reasons why plants are not open in the US. Face it, or continue to ship jobs outside US. Today Apple can't technically open factories in the US, how much they would like it.
Look at the huge data centre they built. They could have built it outside the US. They chose the US since it was possible to get permits and personal working there.
High skilled factory workers is almost impossible to get in the US. Thats why Obama started to educate 40K each year for these jobs, making it possible in the feature for American companies to open factories in the US.

So. Either live in your dream world hating Apple or step out and have critical thinking. I only wrote that Nokia have own factories, but the insane CEO does not use them. Instead he buys HTC phones and rebrands them with MSFT software. And that is called a break thru?

You also have selective memory.
Apple pays 24.7% tax in the US. Thats great for US.
Google pays 22%
MSFT 7%

Apple creates over 40K good jobs in the US.
But you hate Apple/US so much that you want everything to move out of US.

"Apple users are stupid. They pay to much for overpriced products. They are all soccer moms who believe the commercial. Apple tracks all iPhone users with GPS and store the data. iPhone4 antenna does not work."
I have heard it all. Every single statement above is factual wrong.

I want Nokia to succeed. I worked there and they payed me good.
Nokia will NEVER succeed with their insane CEO.

 

[gkarris]

How come we here in the USA get the uglier of the two phones?



Who's getting it? T-Mobile?

LOL....

 

[Renzatic]

So again, you change the conversation to sales instead of discussions on the technology. That's your go-to when you get cornered on any point of technicality. You also omitted the Economist line about MS/ Nokia being able to take over RIM's marketshare. That's not surprising, of course.

LTD is the king of circular arguments. Trying to have an honest discussion with him is an absolute exercise in futility.

You could probably assume that he's been using Macs since the days when Apple was floundering. Back then, if you were to bring up the fact that all these various computer companies sell 100x more Windows branded PCs than Macs, he'd probably pull the old "quality before quantity" argument. You know the spiel. "Just because they sell more, doesn't make them better. The idiots can have their more popular platform. I prefer using a computer that Just Works".

But now that Apple is the current darling of the tech industry, then it becomes SO VERY OBVIOUS that consumers prefer the quality only Apple can provide, and the fact that some other company isn't doing quite so well is proof positive that it's a subpar product.

Basically, the guy doesn't have an original thought in his head. He'll start off with "well, Steve said X, so Y can't be true", taking it as gospel truth, without thinking about WHY, then hit one of his many variations of the above stated sales BS if you back him into a corner. He really doesn't offer anything to a conversation besides getting people riled up.

If you value your sanity, it's best to just ignore LTD. You can't win an argument against someone like that, because they're not really thinking, they're just sprouting off at the mouth.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Having switched some of what I do back to Windows I can tell you that W7 has some advantages over Mac. Sure, Windows is more of a pain to set up and maintain than Mac but it's a fine OS.

The nicest thing about using W7 is the desktop. Red X box to close, CTRL instead of CMD, the End key, Save As, no stupid autosave, and especially no spinning beach ball. Excel and Word also work nicer on Windows.

Yes, I still like my Mac apps but I'd rather do a lot on W7 rather than on Lion.

Just got W7 at work. I was rather excited to be ditching the XP at last, but boy am I finding it hard work. I will agree it looks quite pretty, but the user interface is unintuitive and overburdened with too many incomprehensible options.

Office 2010 is a train-wreck of an interface, many often used options are buried and over-complexified.

 

[aloshka]

1) The chinese people working in the factories makes more money then the average chinese. They are not forced to work there more then I am forced to work at a ****** job.
2) Apple did not install net. You are just silly
3) Apple have NOTHING with FoxConn to do beside order assembly of parts there. Its FoxConns job to take care of its employes, not Steves. This is just lefty thinking like its US fault that people starve in Somalia.
4) In the same FoxConn factory Dell, HP and other companies assembles their products. Why did you not write "dell put up safety nets". No. You did not write that since you hate Apple and believe everything is Apples fault.

In the book Steve told Obama that he wants to have factories in the US. The problem where bureaucracy, permits and union. I may not agree with everything, but that are the reasons why plants are not open in the US. Face it, or continue to ship jobs outside US. Today Apple can't technically open factories in the US, how much they would like it.
Look at the huge data centre they built. They could have built it outside the US. They chose the US since it was possible to get permits and personal working there.
High skilled factory workers is almost impossible to get in the US. Thats why Obama started to educate 40K each year for these jobs, making it possible in the feature for American companies to open factories in the US.

So. Either live in your dream world hating Apple or step out and have critical thinking. I only wrote that Nokia have own factories, but the insane CEO does not use them. Instead he buys HTC phones and rebrands them with MSFT software. And that is called a break thru?

You also have selective memory.
Apple pays 24.7% tax in the US. Thats great for US.
Google pays 22%
MSFT 7%

Apple creates over 40K good jobs in the US.
But you hate Apple/US so much that you want everything to move out of US.

"Apple users are stupid. They pay to much for overpriced products. They are all soccer moms who believe the commercial. Apple tracks all iPhone users with GPS and store the data. iPhone4 antenna does not work."
I have heard it all. Every single statement above is factual wrong.

I want Nokia to succeed. I worked there and they payed me good.
Nokia will NEVER succeed with their insane CEO.

Unfortunately you are right. I think I just went off on that person because they make it sound like apple was building things in the US and everyone else Korea..

 

[mrunix]

Rf

Nokia and SonyEricsson both now exactly what RF is, Apple sadly don't.

Now they are bragging about iPhone4s is the first phone with two antennas, what a pathetic design and two bragg about that it really shows the knowledge of the Apple audience

Why did Apple not redesign the antenna fully and bought the electronics from /// then iPhone 4s would have been a great PHONE.

I have replaced my iPhone on warrenty still calls are cut and reception is terrible and the RF people at /// is making yokes of the RF design.

 

[Chocolatemilty]

I've waiting for this phone simply because I want Nokia to succeed. I feel their design for the Lumia 800 is superb and I want Nokia to compete in the marketplace. Third-party real-world testing will have to be conducted and I do hope it's durable. C'mon y'all, let's face it - as much as we love the iPhone, we know damn well it's not as durable as other phones with comparable specs. Its build qualify in terms of fit and finish is top-notch, but this glass on the 4/4S and the cracked housings with the 3G/3GS can't be denied. The iPhone isn't perfect and there's room for competition so companies continue to innovate. If this holds up in that regard, it will compete as well.

With that said, I cannot comprehend why Nokia would take out the FFC that was present in the N9. It cannot be Microsoft mandates, of course, with the Titan and Radar out there and Focus S and Focus Flash from Samsung forthcoming. I can see lowering the resolution & screen size with Microsoft's head-scratching requirement of 800x480, but the omission of a FFC with Skype forthcoming from Microsoft...I just don't get it. How ca a flagship device compete well going into 2012 with just 16GB storage, no microsd option, no FFC, and lowered screen resolution?

I absolutely love the ESPN hub, Nokia Drive, and Nokia Music, though. We'll see how this competes when it actually comes to the US, whenever that is.

 

[Renzatic]

Just got W7 at work. I was rather excited to be ditching the XP at last, but boy am I finding it hard work. I will agree it looks quite pretty, but the user interface is unintuitive and overburdened with too many incomprehensible options.

How so? Basically all you have to do is take your most used programs and pin them to the taskbar. If you want to find a specific file, then hit the windows key, and start typing. If you want to keep a folder handy, then go to that folder and hit "include in library" at the top of the window. There's 95% of your W7 usage right there.

 

[looking4anotebo]

1) The chinese people working in the factories makes more money then the average chinese. They are not forced to work there more then I am forced to work at a ****** job.
.

I'm not going to bother with the rest of your diatribe, but 1) is nonsense.

China has an enormous population of poor rural people. They tend to migrate to cities to try and escape poverty. Their freedom of choice isn't quite the same as yours. Their opportunities aren't the same. They are essentially viewed as second-class citizens. So yes, they don't have to work there but that doesn't begin to justify the working conditions.

 

[vanzantapple]

Awesome!!!

iphone still looks good but as far as looks go, it's no MacBook Pro or Mac Pro. It needs a redesign soon.

 

[ciociosan]

i look at the windows phone 7 shots i've seen, and all i can think about are the o.a.p. size icons. what's the point of having a x.x" screen if you're using it all for huge blue squares? but i'm sure i'm missing something.

 

[AppleScruff1]

It looks like the fear of Microsoft is really hitting hard in this thread. Why are so many worried about the Windows phones? Are you afraid that it will be successful?

 

[boss.king]

i look at the windows phone 7 shots i've seen, and all i can think about are the o.a.p. size icons. what's the point of having a x.x" screen if you're using it all for huge blue squares? but i'm sure i'm missing something.

The tiles are just one piece of the UI, the big screen comes in handy in every other aspect of the phone (apps, lists, photos, etc).

 

[apolloa]

Think it's time for some of you lot to have a history lesson. Nokia and Microsoft have BOTH been making mobile phones and operating systems for YEARS and I mean YEARS before Apple.
The original iPhone was pathetic next to other devices from Nokia and other manufactures on the market when it was launched, in fact, for the cost of it in the UK it was kinda seen as a joke seeing as it lacked even 3G. Something that the UK market had enjoyed for a few years already. The interface made you love it, but I refused to buy one as it's specs sheet was pathetic.
The US market's history with mobile phones is a joke, plain and simple joke. When you look at the devices and the history of the rest of the world, America lagged seriously for years, you thought the Motorola Razr was cutting edge when the rest of us had 3G video calling phones with touch screen smart phone interfaces from different manufacturers.
Nokia had a massive share hold in the rest of the world it could afford to ignore America. As could the rest, and on the flip side Motorola was in effect left behind in the European market, hence it lost it's share.
The new Nokia phone also looks NOTHING like a Nano, please stop talking FUD as it is just sad.

America only seemed to have woken up to what a smart phone could actually do because Apple sold one in the country. It has helped massively to bring the country bang up to date as has Google. No denying that. But some of the people on here really should realise Apple is not the centre of the mobile phone market but America has sped ahead with data speed networks like LTE now.

Nokia knows all too well how to create a phone more durable then an iPhone, they also have a massively recognisable name, they have every reason to succeed with this new phone, I know several people that have ditched the iPhone for Windows mobiles and haven't complained at all. I won't as I like the iOS system, and have too many apps now. But I can see why people do leave.

Everyones entitled to their own opinions but some of the comments yet again are just so blindly biased it's shocking. Hence my post about facts.
Other facts are Nokia didn't really make touch screen phones until the iPhone, but Nokia has been making cameras capable of thrashing the iPhones for several years, it even made a phone with optical zoom once, that was a smart phone too. That's innovation.

Microsofts mobile phone OS had a HUGE fan following before, it had a lot of applications, developers supporting it, the same with Symbian which Nokia co developed with Sony Ericsson and Psion. They have more then enough experience to make this device work and sell as they were doing it long before Apple. They both dropped the ball with Apple though and lost out, but this new phone has more then enough going for it to succeed, I even know people who changed to Windows Mobile for the Xbox Live integration! Apple can't do that.

Yes Apple and iPhone are very iconic, but sorry to break the news Nokia is also an extremely well known world wide brand.

Apple just does what Apple does, takes other devices and try's to make them better, something that works, Jobs states that. But don't think that translates into Apple invented the square rounded shape, it's rather naive to do so and you look stupid.

As for Apple factories in the US, another piece of history, Apple used to have it's devices and computers made in Ireland and America, but I guess they wanted more profit, cheaper labour and assembly costs to help save the business I.E. cut costs, so they did what every other company does, moves business to outsourced partners in country's willing to give you massive tax breaks and does decent enough quality and charge you peanuts for it. Don't like it? Than I'm sorry to wake you to the capitalist world.

It's not going to move back to America any time soon as America can't possibly compete on cost to China or Korean plants.

 

[SkippyThorson]

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Innovate where? The 800 takes cues from many other phones, and to me looks like an old iPod Nano with a big screen.
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I agree completely. What I'm shocked about in this thread is the amount of Negative votes on posts that don't favor these phones, compared to the number of positive votes for the posts that love them.

I'm all for competition, but really... What's with all the hate against pro-Apple posts? Since when is this the Nokia Fan Club? It's been this way for 16 pages now.

 

[something3153]

I agree completely. What I'm shocked about in this thread is the amount of Negative votes on posts that don't favor these phones, compared to the number of positive votes for the posts that love them.

I'm all for competition, but really... What's with all the hate against pro-Apple posts? Since when is this the Nokia Fan Club? It's been this way for 16 pages now.

Since when is this the Apple Fan Club? The title is "MacRumors" and the subtext is "news and rumors you care about". I care about technology news, and this site frequently has interested news about Apple, which is part of that. However, I am not a fan of Apple, Microsoft, or Google, nor am I a fan of Intel, AMD, nVidia, or ARM. I like what works best, for me, now. Nowhere does this site claim to be a fan site.

 

[IamZoso]

Surprised Nokia is still going. Not heard of them since 07

They're still making 'crappy products'

 

[Savor]

I think Nokia needs to open their eyes and try to cater to the U.S. market. Many diehard Nokians have been saying this for years since the N73/N95 days. But American carriers are some of the greediest in the world. Outside the U.S., you rarely hear complaints about prices or services from carriers. Most phones are cheaper than ours subsidized. The Galaxy S II is offered FREE with contract in European carriers now and that was released six months ago. Add the rigorous testing process from American carriers which delays releases even longer. But for a company that has been #1 in volume sales since 1998, Nokia never really tried to cater to American audiences. The last good phone where you could get it with a subsidized price was the E71 if I recall. The others, you had to get them unlocked. All Nokia does is throw us a bone with a one of their cheaper phones. They took years to catch up into the flip phone race and again with touchscreens and having a modern-looking OS.

Since Nokia helped developed GSM and 3G, if the Lumia 800 ever arrives in the States, it will go to either AT&T or T-Mobile. Nokia hasn't made a CDMA phone for years and WP7 arrived on GSM carriers first last year. This phone would look nice in the AT&T lineup considering Verizon seems to be getting all the best phones as of late.

 

[SkippyThorson]

Since when is this the Apple Fan Club? The title is "MacRumors" and the subtext is "news and rumors you care about". I care about technology news, and this site frequently has interested news about Apple, which is part of that. However, I am not a fan of Apple, Microsoft, or Google, nor am I a fan of Intel, AMD, nVidia, or ARM. I like what works best, for me, now. Nowhere does this site claim to be a fan site.

Well, I suppose that was worded incorrectly, or you took it wrong. Whichever the case, let me followup. I don't expect it to be a fan-site or hate-site against any person, company, or product. I'm just voicing my interest in why the negative to positive votes on posts is so biased against Apple in this particular thread.

I'm used to reading a long lists of agreeing, yet debating posts. There's a lot of dislike flying here, is all. I'm totally with you on the last part with the 'news you care about' tagline, because I do like seeing where all of technology is going, not just Apple. Again though, just used to sifting through posts and posts by Apple 'fans'.

 

[KnightWRX]

I agree completely. What I'm shocked about in this thread is the amount of Negative votes on posts that don't favor these phones, compared to the number of positive votes for the posts that love them.

Because this thread is not about Apple, so all the "pro-Apple" stuff is just off-topic and needless. This is about a Nokia phone.

And frankly the "iPod Nano" stuff needs to stop, the Lumia 800 is obviously a N9 which is an evolution of the N8 :

Stop cherry picking a single angle.

 

[boss.king]

I think Nokia needs to open their eyes and try to cater to the U.S. market. Many diehard Nokians have been saying this for years since the N73/N95 days. But American carriers are some of the greediest in the world. Outside the U.S., you rarely hear complaints about prices or services from carriers. Most phones are cheaper than ours subsidized. The Galaxy S II is offered FREE with contract now and that was released sxc months ago. Add the rigorous testing process from American carriers which delays releases even longer. But for a company that has been #1 in volume sales since 1998, Nokia never really tried to cater to American audiences. The last good phone where you could get it with a subsidized price was the E71 if I recall. The others, you had to get them unlocked. All Nokia does is throw us a bone with a one of their cheaper phones. They took years to catch up into the flip phone race and again with touchscreens and having a modern-looking OS.

Since Nokia helped developed GSM and 3G, if the Lumia 800 ever arrives in the States, it will go to either AT&T or T-Mobile. Nokia hasn't made a CDMA phone for years and WP7 arrived on GSM carriers first last year. This phone would look nice in the AT&T lineup considering Verizon seems to be getting all the best phones as of late.

I think they announced yesterday that LTE and CDMA (read: US) phones were coming later in the year. It is smart of them to focus outside of the US for now though, as that's where they sell the most (I think I read somewhere that Russia is the top WP7 consumer in the world).

 

[apolloa]

Frankly this one video put's an end to any comments stating Windows OS on the phone is not 'smooth'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqelWtAuZ9Q&feature=feedu

 

[Eso]

- only 16GB storage
- no front facing camera
- only 720p video

Pretty much sums it up. I'm not very impressed with the screen either. Other than that, the hardware looks fantastic. I think that it looks great and seems to have a very high quality construction and materials.

 

[mrmarts]

I have been using apple products since the debut of the iPhone 3G in australia and i got to say the new windows interface looks hideous i need windows for my iMac but I'am still confused whether to wait for windows 8 since it uses this hideous design or get windows 7 although the nokia is a nice candy bar phone it would be nice to have an OLED screen on a iPhone i can always dream

 

[840quadra]

Ok, many nanos flying around here. I can't remember the nano ever being curved in two directions though, which, unless i am mistaken, is the case with N9/800.

Well the Nano glass curves along with the device, as well as down in all four sides to blend in with the Aluminum.

Regardless, I really not sure why you are picking nits here, I simply was responding to a statement you made. Like I said previously, Apple doesn't own the title of being first with curved glass anyway so it's an irrelevant argument to begin with.