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Nokia Unveils First 'Lumia' Phones Based on Windows Phone 7.5

The issue I see is that these other companies still completely fail to make iconic products.

The iPhone is an iPhone. Prior to the iPhone, nothing else resembled it. And it was just one product. There wasn't an iPhone that people would say "That's not an iPhone."

Nokia has now released two Lumia phones. Do they look like other phones? Kind of, but I'll give them credit for looking different from the iPhone. The real issue they have is that the two Lumia phones don't resemble each other particularly well. People can know what one Lumia phone looks like, but then see another and say "That's not a Lumia phone."

Furthermore, the model names are horrible. What the hell does 710 or 800 have anything to do with? They have the same processor and screen, it's just a different hard drive capacity (and camera quality), neither of which have anything to do with the chosen numbers.

If Nokia had truly learned, they would have settled on just one phone and released just that, and they would have slashed the number from the product name. They would have a single Lumia and that Lumia would be unmistakably a Lumia. No Lumia would be called anything but, and nothing else would be called a Lumia.
 
samcraig said:
Again - you keep making broad remarks like this without any foundation. Your arguments are a house of cards. I'm pulling one out now. Explain to us how this phone is a failure in your eyes. Specifically.
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Why do you even bother to reply his posts? He's probably an Apple employee...
 
There you go. There are 3 good choices in mobile phone platforms. I think Nokia will provide a good alternative to people that hate Apple products and phones running Android. Android users are already use to having an ugly phone.
 
*LTD* said:
It's just sheer amusement at how flat-footed and sometimes downright stupid the competition has been. And they've had years to prepare.
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And it took Apple 16 months to give us a new design but ended up giving us exactly the same. What's your point?

Nokia used N9 design for a reason, the reason is that every single review I've read praised the design and hardware of N9. N9 was sold out in majority of stores around the world long before it launched. There is still a huge demand for N9.

Did you expect Nokia to give us fully functional 3D holographic phones with unlimited supply of power?
 
erzhik said:
And it took Apple 16 months to give us a new design but ended up giving us exactly the same. What's your point?

Did you expect Nokia to give us fully functional 3D holographic phones with unlimited supply of power?
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His response will be akin to "the iPhone design is already perfect - nothing needed to change"
 
samcraig said:
Again - you keep making broad remarks like this without any foundation. Your arguments are a house of cards. I'm pulling one out now. Explain to us how this phone is a failure in your eyes. Specifically.
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WP7 is already half-dead. The OS has had a year of public exposure and barely anyone cares about it. Changing the name on the hardware will make little, if any difference. It is late to a saturated market and offers nothing substantially more attractive than anyone else. It's just an adequate alternative.

Look for MS and Nokia (if the latter is still around) to do a "reset" of the platform or can it altogether within a year. MS zuned it, and this time they're taking an entire partner company down with them.
 
Very cool... But

What a beautiful phone! ... But no front facing camera?! C'mon Nokia!
 
samcraig said:
How come specs only matter when Apple is on top of them. Seems as though when other phones all had better specs than the iPhone 4 - "specs don't matter" and "specs don't sell the phone".
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Not having a front facing camera is a lot different than comparing processor speeds.
 
divinox said:
Nokias naming scheme for dummies:

1xx - low end.
9xx - high end.

Yeah, real hard to get, aint it?
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you live in Finland don't ya angry dude ? no surprises who you work for and I'm impressed with your loyalty to your dying employer Nokia.

You're also the only person in the world that realised 1xx - low end.
9xx - high end. No one else could give a s hit.
 
*LTD* said:
WP7 is already half-dead. The OS has had a year of public exposure and barely anyone cares about it. Changing the name on the hardware will make little, if any difference. It is late to a saturated market and offers nothing substantially more attractive than anyone else. It's just an adequate alternative.

Look for MS and Nokia (if the latter is still around) to do a "reset" of the platform or can it altogether within a year. MS zuned it, and this time they're taking an entire partner company down with them.
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So all you're presenting is your opinion and one riddled with information you're pulling out of your hindquarters. Got it. Thanks.

PhoneI said:
Not having a front facing camera is a lot different than comparing processor speeds.
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You were pointing out 1080p camera. And many phones had the front facing camera before the iPhone... so again - when do specs matter and when don't they?
 
I think that this looks like quite a nice phone, not as sure about the name though. Lumia... doesn't sound like a phone to me.

I am glad to see Windows Phone 7 on these devices, and the graphics really does float on the screen!
 
*LTD* said:
WP7 is already half-dead. The OS has had a year of public exposure and barely anyone cares about it. Changing the name on the hardware will make little, if any difference. It is late to a saturated market and offers nothing substantially more attractive than anyone else. It's just an adequate alternative.

Look for MS and Nokia (if the latter is still around) to do a "reset" of the platform or can it altogether within a year. MS zuned it, and this time they're taking an entire partner company down with them.
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I disagree. I personally won't get one as I've invested in apple, but after living with an Android I'd love to have one of these instead. Your talking out of a bubble of your world, let me guess the States? Well as Tim Cook showed on the 4S launch there is a massive market to be plundered, including the Chinese.

I disagree, I would love to see the main 2 OSs being Apple and windows and they both innovate in differing ways
 
Menopause said:
I thought I'd like the advertised turquoise color but OMG it looks like plastic crap in real life ! :eek:
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PeterQVenkman said:
You mean you were at the announcement event in person? Then I guess you're having the opposite reaction of the people who were actually there.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/26/nokia-lumia-800-hands-on/

http://thisismynext.com/2011/10/26/nokia-lumia-800-hands-on/
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Hmm, what's interesting about your post is that neither of the articles you link to have anything to say about the colour of the phone? Unless you count the Nokia rep calling it "really pretty"...

So I'm not really sure what your angle is, but I'm counting one guy here saying it looks bad and two guys at other sites having no comment. Not exactly "having the opposite reaction of the people". Just wanted to point that out since somehow you got up-voted really high and people might assume you know what you're talking about.

Me? I think the casing looks okay. Of course, I was also a big fan of the whole bright-colour-and-curved-glass look when the iPod nano did it years ago. But I'd still prefer the iPod's aluminum over Nokia's plastic.
 
*LTD* said:
WP7 is already half-dead. The OS has had a year of public exposure and barely anyone cares about it. Changing the name on the hardware will make little, if any difference. It is late to a saturated market and offers nothing substantially more attractive than anyone else. It's just an adequate alternative.

Look for MS and Nokia (if the latter is still around) to do a "reset" of the platform or can it altogether within a year. MS zuned it, and this time they're taking an entire partner company down with them.
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Gee - that must be why I consider Mango to be a viable option for me. I like riding the dead horse. :cool:

On an honest note I have to say that both - Mango and Ice Cream Sandwich - look way more tempting than the current plebeian status symbol for faking wealth called iPhone 4S.
 
something3153 said:
That wasn't what people said when the first iPad didn't have one. Then it was a sensible design decision. Now, apparently, it's unforgivable.
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And boy were people adamant that the iPad didn't need a front facing (or any) camera - as it was ridiculous to think of to be used as a camera/video conferencing under ANY circumstance. I was a staunch supporter of it having a camera and got railed for it. And that has nothing to do with competition - I just believe in having options. If the people that didn't want or couldn't see themselves using the option - that's no reason not to include it for those that do.
 
something3153 said:
That wasn't what people said when the first iPad didn't have one. Then it was a sensible design decision. Now, apparently, it's unforgivable.
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The iPad was the first viable entrant into a market Apple essentially re-created single-handedly. It was completely novel. So novel that most people didn't know what to make of it at first.

These phones from Nokia are late entrants (on the order of years, not months) into a saturated market of similar devices, many of which are being sold by firmly entrenched players.
 
Mr. Gates said:
Its on the Upper Left
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800 doesn't have a FFC, N9 does. But personally, I've never seen anyone use front facing camera on their phones, other than for person photoshoots. If you want skype, you usually use skype at home, in privacy.
 
*LTD* said:
WP7 is already half-dead. The OS has had a year of public exposure and barely anyone cares about it. Changing the name on the hardware will make little, if any difference. It is late to a saturated market and offers nothing substantially more attractive than anyone else. It's just an adequate alternative.

Look for MS and Nokia (if the latter is still around) to do a "reset" of the platform or can it altogether within a year. MS zuned it, and this time they're taking an entire partner company down with them.
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To be fair, I wouldn't say it's half dead.

Apple does make great products, but you got to admit it's all about marketing. IF apple releases s hit in a box, I guarantee you they will outsell android and everyone else because of the mind numbing retard cult that they have following.

So to state that MS had a year of public exposure and didn't become the number one OS does nothing for your argument. They are late in the game, I agree. Being this late, they won't overtake anyone for a very long time. Apple came into the market before it existed and came out with a half-ass usable phone that outed the competition (READ anything would have been better than the competition in those days) and became the standard.

I think everyone is just glad that if you take away the mindless douche-bag cult, we might have a real competitor.. AGAIN, without the douche bags that will respond with "well, apple has more G-B's and they are the best and blow away the competition". I'm sure Steve's used toilet paper will sell to this crowd as well.
 
*LTD* said:
The iPad was the first viable entrant into a market Apple essentially re-created single-handedly. It was completely novel. So novel that most people didn't know what to make of it at first.

These phones from Nokia are late entrants (on the order of years, not months) into a saturated market of similar devices, many of which are being sold by firmly entrenched players.
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Recreated single-handedly? The iPad - and it's great - I have one - is a big iPod Touch. And I don't say that as a dig. Because real estate is everything.

People didn't know what to make of it because quite frankly it was a solution for which there was really no problem. And yes - you can be somewhat productive on an iPad - but it's not a replacement device. It's a companion device that is GREAT at media consumption.

But since Steve is gone - I guess LTD can keep that reality distortion field going...
 
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