I appreciate the originality and attempt at innovation, but I just don't like the designs of those phones. They look hideous to me.
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Nokia Unveils First 'Lumia' Phones Based on Windows Phone 7.5
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I do wonder if that would work sometimes... but doubtful as the market is over saturated and even if something good comes out, it will still be struck down because it's not "iPhone" enough. Yet has to appear not to copy the iPhone.
You don't seem to understand what's at stake here for MS and Nokia.
It isn't just about "choice." I can weld an iPod onto an old phone and call it "choice." Just bringing something into existence for the sake of it isn't enough. It can also be incredibly wasteful. And too many choices (with little differentiation) can easily cause confusion.
Yes, consumers have more choice now. And?? So what? What are those choices exactly? What are their chances in this market based on what they bring (and don't) to the table?
How about the fact that WP7 has been available in the market for a year now and it's gone almost unnoticed? Or rather, consumers noticed it and they didn't care to buy.
How about the Metro UI as a choice? It has existed and has been available to consumers since 2006, and in a bigger way since October 2010. Consumers didn't and don't care about it (so far) enough to generate any kind of appreciable return for MS. What will change this time around?
MS is basing WP7 on an interface that is a total market failure, and which currently is doing absolutely nothing to help pitifully low WP7 sales.
Anything and everything Zune and Zune-related (e.g., Metro) has not translated into anything meaningful for MS - either in terms of share or in terms of profit.
Yes, choice exists. But so does analysis. Because it might very well be that in a year this "choice" will no longer exist or will still be in the basement. Then you'll be left confused, wondering wtf happened.
As you said - that is your world.
But you said - who would go for 720 when there is 1080 now. Fact is - plenty of people. Especially people buying their first smart phone. Or where cost is a factor. Or carrier is determining what phones they have access to.
My point was - many Mac enthusiasts here only care about specs when Apple is tied or in the lead. When Apple was 720 while many other phones were 1080 - the argument is that specs don't sell phones. It's a contradiction. And I was pointing it out.
Thanks for including this MacRumors. I'm not a huge fan of the Microsoft mobile world but it's nice to be informed nonetheless. The long awaited official entry of Nokia's new lineup is considered serious news in many tech circles. I'm not sure why some folks would rather be willingly ignorant of anything but Apple and Android products. I guess they can simply avoid this article. Or whine endlessly.
well thank goodness we have you here to set us all straight. I for one look at the Nokia as a big step backwards.
I really like he high-end Lumia 800. It minimalistic and beautiful but I am unsure about Windows Phone 7.5. I hope it sells well.
Copy.
1. The one on the left looks like a long iPod nano.
2. The damn box looks almost the same as previous iPhone boxes.
1. The one on the left looks like a long iPod nano.
2. The damn box looks almost the same as previous iPhone boxes.
I really like the way the phones look and could use an upgrade from my Samsung Focus, too bad Nokia never seems to sell anything in the U.S. other than feature phones 
This is macrumors dude, we visit this site to learn about apple products, not nokia or windows.
As readers we have the right to "whine" about what we read after all.
Maybe you should actually USE an Android phone for a while before making that obviously mis- or uninformed call.
That being said, a lot of people who use the latest Windows Mobile platform claim that they really like it - it supposedly is very fast (also known as "snappy") and very user friendly. And for programmers it has the advantage of having C# and .NET at its core - and not Objective-C and its zillion brackets...
As a first offering, it's not bad. In terms of hardware, the Lumia 800 is essentially the N9 which if I remember correctly was well received.
What I'm still not too sure about, is why Nokia went with Windows mobile. The original OS the used on N9 (I forget the name), was meant to be pretty cool. With other Android manufacturers overlaying their own skins/GUIs on the vanilla interface, couldn't Nokia have done the same thing?
That isn't necessarily a criticism against Windows Mobile, it just would have seemed like a less risky option for Nokia.
Also all I'm saying is that I hope Microsoft have some pretty special stuff coming in terms of 3rd party support, they're late to the party and have a long way to go before they catch up with iOS and Android...
What I'm still not too sure about, is why Nokia went with Windows mobile. The original OS the used on N9 (I forget the name), was meant to be pretty cool. With other Android manufacturers overlaying their own skins/GUIs on the vanilla interface, couldn't Nokia have done the same thing?
That isn't necessarily a criticism against Windows Mobile, it just would have seemed like a less risky option for Nokia.
Also all I'm saying is that I hope Microsoft have some pretty special stuff coming in terms of 3rd party support, they're late to the party and have a long way to go before they catch up with iOS and Android...
You could have just said you don't like Microsoft. Or perhaps you just like to type, in that case: pardon me.
Nokia need to focus
I total agree that Nokia need to make a single, great phone. I think Apple has proven that you can be very successful with a single great phone in a single color.
A new phone with no "wow" features is .... not going to wow anyone. These phones have a single core processor, No Bluetooth 4.0 (Bluetooth Low Energy) support, no 1080p video, no Flash support etc.
Nokia need to do something well. Blow us away and you will get a loyal base back.
I total agree that Nokia need to make a single, great phone. I think Apple has proven that you can be very successful with a single great phone in a single color.
A new phone with no "wow" features is .... not going to wow anyone. These phones have a single core processor, No Bluetooth 4.0 (Bluetooth Low Energy) support, no 1080p video, no Flash support etc.
Nokia need to do something well. Blow us away and you will get a loyal base back.
Even if it looks like an old Nano, it is (AFIK) the first Smartphone to use that design aesthetic, and to some, pulls it off well. It doesn't look like any previous or current iPhone, and looks different enough when compared to Android phones out on the market today. They pulled off something quite unique when you consider how limited your choices can be when designing something that is primarily a black sheet of glass.
Using a similar complaint, I would say, In some ways the iPhone 4 looks like a black 1st generation Nano with a large screen. To me, this is mostly because of it's squared edges and viable metal on the sides. Outside of that, it was purposely designed to be akin to an old Leica camera, which gives it the "classic" appeal the design team was after.
In the case of the iPhone 4, it was styled to be unique when compared to other phones, but still used design aspects of electronic devices before it. I see the Nokia 800 in the same light, it may have similar Design language to previous Apple (or other companies) products, but does so in it's own unique way.
In the end, prior art exists for most every electronic device available now, it's more about the entire package than it is a single aspect that makes them a success. The Nokia looks like it is trying to be different in a world of similar handset offerings wearing the Android or iOS badge.
While I prefer Apple's design, I applaud them for at least TRYING to make a design that is not lifted completely from Apple. Maybe it's not as nice, or as elegant, but you can't have innovation without someone at least trying something different.
Dave
Dave
My thoughts exactly.
EDIT: A neg? lol! I don't get it! That's exactly what it looks like!
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Why are are people giving props to Nokia for these phones?
The operating system is from MSFT.
The telephones are built in Korea (probably HTC).
What have Nokia done? Nothing.
The Nokia CEO is totally insane. They have empty Nokia factories and instead uses Korean factories to manufacture their Windows phones.
This make me so sad/angry. I have worked at both LM Ericsson and Nokia.
Ericsson was killed by a Microsoft guy (Rolf Skoglund), now Nokia is killed by Microsoft's Stephen Elop.
From the Steve Jobs book:
You can't have sales people run companies. It leads to mediocre products. Its just about making a quick buck for them. I believe in building great products that generate profit so that we can build more great products.
The operating system is from MSFT.
The telephones are built in Korea (probably HTC).
What have Nokia done? Nothing.
The Nokia CEO is totally insane. They have empty Nokia factories and instead uses Korean factories to manufacture their Windows phones.
This make me so sad/angry. I have worked at both LM Ericsson and Nokia.
Ericsson was killed by a Microsoft guy (Rolf Skoglund), now Nokia is killed by Microsoft's Stephen Elop.
From the Steve Jobs book:
You can't have sales people run companies. It leads to mediocre products. Its just about making a quick buck for them. I believe in building great products that generate profit so that we can build more great products.