NVMe with ST-NGFF2013-C; Vega Internal GPU; Mac Pro 2013 (6,1)

dramsey

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Feb 13, 2019
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Has anyone had a problem updating with the 10.14.3 Supplemental update that dropped a few days ago to address the group Facetime bug?

I'm running my 6,1 with the Amfeltec board using a 970 Evo as my boot drive. When I updated from 10.14.2 to 10.14.3, it rendered my system unbootable...after a couple of reboots during installation, the final boot paused with the progress bar about 3/5 done and sat there while the cooling fan slowly ramped up to full speed.

I tried to reboot in Verbose mode, but the first screen displayed on reboot was the stalled progress bar.

Fortunately I had an external Carbon Copy Cloner backup on a drive in a Thunderbolt 2 dock. I booted from that, restored the internal drive, then ran the updater on the external drive. That booted fine, and I then ran CCC to copy it to my internal drive. Problem solved!

Can't make the 10.14.3 Supplemental update work, though. Installing to either my internal or external drive results in the same stalled boot process with full blast fans. Wondering if this is a problem with the Amfeltec board. I suppose I could take it out and try the original Apple SSD but that's a lot of trouble...
 

tsialex

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10.14.4 DP3 still has the 128.0.0.0.0:

Code:
$IBIOSI$ MP61.88Z.F000.B00.1812191437Copyright (c) 2005-2018 Apple Inc.  All rights reserved.
Apple ROM Version
  Model:        MP61
  EFI Version:  128.0.0.0.0
  Built by:     root@saumon
  Date:         Wed Dec 19 14:37:18 PST 2018
  Revision:     128 (B&I)
  ROM Version:  F000_B00
  Build Type:   Official Build, Release
  Compiler:     Apple clang version 3.0 (tags/Apple/clang-211.10.1) (based on LLVM 3.0svn)
 

sdshannon

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Aug 11, 2006
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Not sure if this is related, but since the update to 10,14,13. I have been getting kernel panics usually after the computer wakes from sleep. Is there any kind samaritan that would take a look at the crash log and see if its related to the Samsung SSD?
 

aylward-drm

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Mar 1, 2019
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I installed the adapter together with a Crucial P1 with 1TB (CT1000P1SSD8). I used this slower NVMe SSD because the port in the Mac Pro 2013 is not so fast that it takes advantage of a faster one.

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Hi, I was looking for confirmation on the speeds that an SSD can have with this MP6.1 I am about to update mine with a 1TB and I don't want to buy an XPG (from Adata) for example if the 6.1 will only deliver 1500 and not 3000 mB/s

Do you know what the limit is with the SSD speeds for nVME boot drives?
 

cgscotto

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Sep 29, 2018
38
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Athens, OH
Hi, I was looking for confirmation on the speeds that an SSD can have with this MP6.1 I am about to update mine with a 1TB and I don't want to buy an XPG (from Adata) for example if the 6.1 will only deliver 1500 and not 3000 mB/s

Do you know what the limit is with the SSD speeds for nVME boot drives?
If I recall correctly, the internal drive gets 4 lanes of pcie 2.0, which means each lane can transfer 500 mb/s, so a therotical limit of 2000 mb/s. Using Black Magic Speed tester withn a Samsung 960 Pro, I get a maximum transfer rate of between 1500 and 1700 mb/sec.
 

tsialex

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Hi, I was looking for confirmation on the speeds that an SSD can have with this MP6.1 I am about to update mine with a 1TB and I don't want to buy an XPG (from Adata) for example if the 6.1 will only deliver 1500 and not 3000 mB/s

Do you know what the limit is with the SSD speeds for nVME boot drives?
Don't buy a cheap blade because Mac Pro 6,1 can't use the full speed of a current PRO NVMe blade.

The difference between 970 PRO and a 970 EVO, for example, is size of cache, cell technology, endurance and warranty. 970 EVO will wave the write speed to the floor after the cache is full.

Most pro people wants write cache, endurance and warranty of a PRO blade, not the maximum speed.

You rarely need to use the maximum throughput, but the write cache/endurance you will use everyday.
 
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tsialex

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Apple released a new BootROM upgrade for MP6,1 with today's 10.14.4 DP4, 129.0.0.0.0:

Code:
$IBIOSI$ MP61.88Z.F000.B00.1902141849
Copyright (c) 2005-2019 Apple Inc.  All rights reserved.
Apple ROM Version
  Model:        MP61
  EFI Version:  129.0.0.0.0
  Built by:     root@saumon
  Date:         Thu Feb 14 18:49:50 PST 2019
  Revision:     129 (B&I)
  ROM Version:  F000_B00
  Build Type:   Official Build, Release
  Compiler:     Apple clang version 3.0 (tags/Apple/clang-211.10.1) (based on LLVM 3.0svn)
 

RxJemm

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Sep 22, 2018
39
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Apple released a new BootROM upgrade for MP6,1 with today's 10.14.4 DP4, 129.0.0.0.0:

Code:
$IBIOSI$ MP61.88Z.F000.B00.1902141849
Copyright (c) 2005-2019 Apple Inc.  All rights reserved.
Apple ROM Version
  Model:        MP61
  EFI Version:  129.0.0.0.0
  Built by:     root@saumon
  Date:         Thu Feb 14 18:49:50 PST 2019
  Revision:     129 (B&I)
  ROM Version:  F000_B00
  Build Type:   Official Build, Release
  Compiler:     Apple clang version 3.0 (tags/Apple/clang-211.10.1) (based on LLVM 3.0svn)
Thanks Alex :)
 

adonis3k

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Apr 15, 2012
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Is there a quicker way to install the updates instead of swapping out the SSD everytime?

Anywhere you can download the beta software on to USB?
 

RxJemm

macrumors member
Sep 22, 2018
39
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10.14.4 DP3 still has the 128.0.0.0.0:

Code:
$IBIOSI$ MP61.88Z.F000.B00.1812191437Copyright (c) 2005-2018 Apple Inc.  All rights reserved.
Apple ROM Version
  Model:        MP61
  EFI Version:  128.0.0.0.0
  Built by:     root@saumon
  Date:         Wed Dec 19 14:37:18 PST 2018
  Revision:     128 (B&I)
  ROM Version:  F000_B00
  Build Type:   Official Build, Release
  Compiler:     Apple clang version 3.0 (tags/Apple/clang-211.10.1) (based on LLVM 3.0svn)

Hey TsiAlex, How do you get this printout ? is there a command line entry...
 

tsialex

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10.14.4 DP5 still has 129.0.0.0.0

Code:
$IBIOSI$ MP61.88Z.F000.B00.1902141849
Copyright (c) 2005-2019 Apple Inc.  All rights reserved.
Apple ROM Version
  Model:        MP61
  EFI Version:  129.0.0.0.0
  Built by:     root@saumon
  Date:         Thu Feb 14 18:49:50 PST 2019
  Revision:     129 (B&I)
  ROM Version:  F000_B00
  Build Type:   Official Build, Release
  Compiler:     Apple clang version 3.0 (tags/Apple/clang-211.10.1) (based on LLVM 3.0svn)
 

tsialex

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10.14.4 DP6 still has 129.0.0.0.0, seems the final version:

Code:
$IBIOSI$ MP61.88Z.F000.B00.1902141849
Copyright (c) 2005-2019 Apple Inc.  All rights reserved.
Apple ROM Version
  Model:        MP61
  EFI Version:  129.0.0.0.0
  Built by:     root@saumon
  Date:         Thu Feb 14 18:49:50 PST 2019
  Revision:     129 (B&I)
  ROM Version:  F000_B00
  Build Type:   Official Build, Release
  Compiler:     Apple clang version 3.0 (tags/Apple/clang-211.10.1) (based on LLVM 3.0svn)
 
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flygbuss

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Jul 22, 2018
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It might be a little off topic but I encountered that the last High Sierra updates / Mojave updates went wrong
(boot cycle and / or displayed message that the last update wasn't installed properly) as long as the Mac Pro is connected to a thunderbolt hub.
I always use the original apple drive for the updates.
As soon as I remove the hub, the Mac boots and finishes the installation. After that the Mac runs and boots just fine with the hub connected. Any ideas? Thank you, guys..
 

tsialex

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Apple released 10.14.4 final tonight, MP6,1 got the same 129.0.0.0.0 as the betas.

Code:
$IBIOSI$ MP61.88Z.F000.B00.1902141849Copyright (c) 2005-2019 Apple Inc.  All rights reserved.
Apple ROM Version
  Model:        MP61
  EFI Version:  129.0.0.0.0
  Built by:     root@saumon
  Date:         Thu Feb 14 18:49:50 PST 2019
  Revision:     129 (B&I)
  ROM Version:  F000_B00
  Build Type:   Official Build, Release
  Compiler:     Apple clang version 3.0 (tags/Apple/clang-211.10.1) (based on LLVM 3.0svn)
 

TobiasT

macrumors member
Jan 24, 2019
37
37
So we have a couple of new boot roms in the last updates:
128.0.0.0.0
129.0.0.0.0
any information about the differences to 127.0.0.0.0?
 

tsialex

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Jun 13, 2016
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10.14.5 DP1 still has 129.0.0.0.0 for MP6,1:

Code:
$IBIOSI$ MP61.88Z.F000.B00.1902141849Copyright (c) 2005-2019 Apple Inc.  All rights reserved.
Apple ROM Version
  Model:        MP61
  EFI Version:  129.0.0.0.0
  Built by:     root@saumon
  Date:         Thu Feb 14 18:49:50 PST 2019
  Revision:     129 (B&I)
  ROM Version:  F000_B00
  Build Type:   Official Build, Release
  Compiler:     Apple clang version 3.0 (tags/Apple/clang-211.10.1) (based on LLVM 3.0svn)
 
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cgscotto

macrumors member
Sep 29, 2018
38
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Athens, OH
I just did the update to 10.14.4. Of course, I put the original Apple drive in my nMP before doing the update to update the firmware to 129.0.0.0.0, which went fine. After the update, I put my 960 Pro back in the nMP and redid the update. Everything is fine.

I was half tempted to try the update without putting in the original Apple SSD just to see if it would update the firmware. Would it be possible for Apple to update the firmware so that firmware updates can be done with an NVMe installed, or is the firmware update linked to the controller on the Apple SSD?
 

iMactouch

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Mar 22, 2017
34
15
Wunstorf, Germany
I did the update the other way round. With my Crucial P1 the BootROM was not updated as expected. After changing to the Apple SSD it was working without any problem.
So everything is fine now.
 
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MacZoltan

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May 18, 2016
83
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Can anyone make an update on this post to include the current links, working, where to buy the adapter and the proper NVME or ACHI SSD for Mac Pro 2013?
I would go from the 256GB original to 1TB
 
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