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If it was a question of first come first served then I would not have a problem.

But firstly o2 promised everyone that pre-registered they would get an iphone as a result then they put it on general sale to everyone at the same time.

Did you go to a different website to me? I went to the O2 site a while back and registered my interest in the iPhone 3G, giving them my email addy and phone number, subsequently I got an email last week...albeit without much content, and then another email this morning saying that you can pre-order online....which as we know went a bit wrong. I never got/saw anything of O2 promising me anything, or that it would be available only to people who pre-registered. :confused:
 
I have also e-mailed the main board members of o2 complaining:

mycare at o2 mail.co.uk
mycarewebform at o2mail.co. uk
peter.erskine at o2. com
ronan.dunne at o2. com
matthey.key at o2. com
mark.stevenson at o2. com

I would suggest if your going to e-mail them that you are not rude - just explain what happened and make your point and include your phone number.

With any luck someone from o2 will be in touch and make sure we get the iPhones we pre-ordered on time as we should have or some other form of compensation.

The fact is that we now face a gamble of getting the phone we want from somewhere on Friday at an early time when we should be getting it in the post at home as a reward for being loyal customers.

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As for getting the phone tommorrow - no way will that happen! don't be greedy you will have it on Friday unlike most of us here!

I have sent a mail to the above - the experience today was awful... My PC at work was swarmed with partially loaded o2 pages. Frustrated to say the least... I'll update if I hear anything back.
 
Here is the response I have just had from o2 customer service complaining about the website yesterday:

Thanks for emailing us and I'm sorry you're unable to access our online shop.

I understand your disappointment. I appreciate your feedback about the interest registration for iPhone 3G. Due to extremely high levels of demand, the O2 online shop is temporarily unavailable. We are working to restore the service as quickly as possible. Also as you know, currently the iPhone 3G is out of stock.

You can go to your nearest O2 store to place an upgrade order for your iPhone 3G on 11 July 2008 from 8:02am. You can find your nearest O2 store by calling 0800 224 477 free from your O2 Pay Monthly mobile phone or by clicking on the link below:

http://www.webmap.o2.co.uk/interfaces/retail/

We request you to reach the store earlier as demand is expected to be very high.
 
We'll see. Apple didn't just magically get the price down by leaving things as they are. I bet come Friday we'll have a few people who are concerned by the way their iPhone 3G is built.

Actually, they probably didn't get the price down by much at all - the reason it's cheaper to the user is that O2 and the other carriers are now subsidising the handset. I think from what we have seen of the PAYG prices the actual handset cost will be approximately the same as the old one, certainly close enough that any price difference could be accounted for by larger volume orders to parts suppliers.
 
Oh for goodness sake, O2 doesn't have a duty to give anyone a get out of contract free card. What is the basis of your complaint? They were busy?

Would you complain at your local store if you queued up and then found out they were sold out? No. It's the same situation here, except there will be other opportunities to buy.

I think some people here may be going a little overboard but I don't think this is quite the same situation that you're equating it to.

O2 are doing us a favour, agreed and nobody can help the iPhone selling out but O2 handled the situation poorly. To receive a text at 8.42 to say that the iPhone went on sale at 8:00 that day and then to find that their ordering system has fallen over and can't cope with demand is a bit pathetic.

iPhone selling out - beyond anyone's control
Poor handling of sales/pre-ordering - all O2's fault
 
Oh for goodness sake, O2 doesn't have a duty to give anyone a get out of contract free card. What is the basis of your complaint? They were busy?

Would you complain at your local store if you queued up and then found out they were sold out? No. It's the same situation here, except there will be other opportunities to buy.

If I'd been queing at a local store and during the staff present had told me they had some, they didn't have some, they definately had lots, the product I wanted didn't exist, it'd be there in two weeks, it'd be there on Friday, it's there now and various combinations of the above then yes, I bloody well would complain.

Phazer
 
Or to stretch the analogy *way* too far..

You get to the store, the store staff have no idea where the product is, or even if the store sells it. Finally someone in the store yells "Everyone who wants $PRODUCT come over here!!" and hundreds of people rush to the corner of the store at once. Chaos ensues. The checkout people run away in a panic and it takes 2 hours to coax them back. People who'd previously bought $PRODUCT find they've got to go a different route, which is blocked by an alligator pit. By the time you get there (covered in alligator bites) you find they're all gone and they only had 1 shelf full anyway.

In that situation I think I might have a few words...
 
Just got this email from 02 this morning after i complained yesterday. Apparantly from this online pre-orders were primarily for the people who pre-registered. Therefore it is more confusing as to how they managed to mess things up this bad.

"Thanks for emailing us and I'm sorry you're unable to place your upgrade order online.

We made a limited allocation of iPhone 3G stock available for pre-order online, primarily for those customers that pre-registered their interest. Demand has been very high and we have now sold out of this allocation. This is the reason we can't call you to place an order for 3G iPhone.

Please be reassured there will be iPhones available in store from 8:02am on the 11 July 2008, although we again expect demand to be very high, so urge you to get down there early. All iPhone stock is being sold on a first come, first served basis.

Please visit our website for the latest updates about iPhone 3G at link below:

http://www.o2.co.uk/iphone

Thank you for your continued patience and understanding.

You can find your nearest store by calling 0800 224 477."

So when they sent out the text messages/emails yesterday they had a fair idea of the amount of traffic that could be generated. Just adds a bit more weight to the fact that 02 seem un-prepared for the launch.
 
I just had an intresting conversation with a apple store buisness rep in exeter and he said:

I am very confident we can sell you an iphone in store on friday...

Now i was under the impression it was 02 or CPHW only? Maybe they are keeping it quiet to stop queuing?
 
I mean how thick do they get: you can put a iphone 3g for display in the apple store and then say: oh you need to pop to the local 02 store...

its stupid...or as my legal friend says: illegal.

Just spoke to regent street about buying couple of hundred phones for buisness and they said: should be able to do it... so stop panicing , stick with apple not 02 lol
 
I think this will go worst if o2 doesn’t sort out yesterday mess.

I and I think a lot of people that has the order as in progress are waiting to see what happens on Thursday nigh.

If my order status doesn’t change I will go by the iphone on a store and return the one I bought online when it arrives.

If something like this happens o2 will have a lot of iphone returned…
 
I just had an intresting conversation with a apple store buisness rep in exeter and he said:

I am very confident we can sell you an iphone in store on friday...

Now i was under the impression it was 02 or CPHW only? Maybe they are keeping it quiet to stop queuing?

It would be good if its the case and i think as usual apple is being very quiet about the new phone, so maybe they do have something up their sleeves. The guy you spoke to, is he talking about the Apple store as in Regents Street or as in the Solutions Inc style Apple resellers? I would have thought it would make sense for the resellers to sell the PAYG as it doesnt involve contracts, credit checks, tariffs, etc. Maybe another long shot is the reason O2 and CPW have sold out so soon and dont have the white model is because Apple is holding back the stock for their stores & official resellers??

I remember having a chat with the Solutions store in Brighton and i asked him if the iphone was going to be on PAYG and if they would be selling them. Even though at that point he hadnt heard of the "leaked" PAYG prices (this was the weekend after that happened) his words were: "If they do a PAYG i think we would be selling them"
 
"We made a limited allocation of iPhone 3G stock available for pre-order online, primarily for those customers that pre-registered their interest. "

Which is just an outright lie – there was no need to pre-register your interest because there was no allocation at all! They just put an open link up on the the website, which was on the internet long before most people got their texts.

So when they sent out the text messages/emails yesterday they had a fair idea of the amount of traffic that could be generated. Just adds a bit more weight to the fact that 02 seem un-prepared for the launch.

Exactly – by pre-registering we gave them an idea of the traffic they'd see when they opened ordering, and they still managed to cock it up. And the reward for giving them that information and pre-ordering – absolutely nothing.

They've really made a right unprofessional mess of this whole thing.
 
its stupid...or as my legal friend says: illegal.

Er right, your "legal friend" does know that just having an item on display in a shop doesn't oblige them to sell it to you? I believe the term is "invitation to treat".
 
Is it now becoming increasingly likely that O2 will be allowing in-store upgrades for iPhone customers come Friday? Or are we still getting mixed reports?
 
Er right, your "legal friend" does know that just having an item on display in a shop doesn't oblige them to sell it to you? I believe the term is "invitation to treat".

Correct - a retailer is not obliged to sell you anything - not even at the price on the ticket.

The price/display of an item is an 'invitation to treat'

When you take it to the counter you are making an 'offer'

When they take your money they have 'accepted'

Your payment is the 'consideration'

and thus a contract is born
 
This was posted on the o2 forum:

To: Gareth (email address taken out)
Sent: Tue Jul 08 11:39:56 2008
Subject: FW: POOR CUSTOMER SERVICE OVER IPHONE

Dear Mr Fradgley

Thank you for your email. Matthew has asked me as O2 Sales Director
responsible for iPhone to reply on his behalf. Up front, I would like to
apologise for the disappointing and frustrating experience you had
yesterday on our online shop.

At O2 we had said that we would keep all those who had registered their
interest in Apple iPhone 3G up to date with the launch developments. We
also used the registration data to keep Apple up to date on the
phenomenal interest and to support our orders for the phones with them.
We have been working continuously with them to get as much stock for the
UK as possible. Unfortunately, they have only been able to supply a
small proportion of the number of phones we asked for, because they are
launching simultaneously in 22 countries. We are confident that over
time we will start to get sufficient volume to meet demand, but it is
likely that stock will be in very short supply for some weeks to come.

We opened the online shop yesterday, having only told those who had
registered that it was available, to give them a chance to be one of the
first to get their hands on the iPhone. This also meant that successful
orders could be delivered to customers' homes on the same day as the
retail high street launch, 11th July. To put it in context we had over
200,000 people expressing interest and only a very small proportion of
that number of devices available. Faced with this dilemma, we made it
clear in the communications that to be fair to all customers the orders
would be managed on a first come first served basis, as stock was
limited. The response was so great that the online store completely sold
out of iPhones within just a few hours.

We did also take steps to ensure our own customers were not
disadvantaged by providing a stock allocation for them. We took as many
upgrades orders from O2 customers as we did from the customers of all
the other networks put together.

We run one of the busiest and most robust web stores in the UK. I
appreciate that it is little comfort to you given your experience, but
we had invested heavily to add a huge amount of additional capacity, 250
times its normal rate, and back-up systems. We tested this carefully in
advance. The massive simultaneous crush, partly created by our open and
honest communications approach with the registered community, exceeded
even our worst case assumptions. Demand was at 13,000 orders per second.
Frankly, we have to admit we just weren't prepared for this
unprecedented level of demand. No website is.

The next opportunity to get an iPhone will be when the device goes on
sale in the high street on 11th July. O2 and Carphone Warehouse stores
will be taking new orders and upgrade orders. Apple stores will only be
taking new customer contracts. Most shops will open at 8.02am but some
stores, particularly in shopping centres where early access is not
possible, will open as usual from 9am. The approach on Friday will also
be on a first come first served basis. The amount of devices will vary
depending on the store but will be on average a few dozen iPhones in
each O2 or CPW store. We are expecting early queues and, like the online
site, are expecting to sell out very quickly. Apple stores will have
more devices. We will be receiving deliveries from Apple roughly once a
week for the foreseeable future but it will be several weeks before
stocks increase. We will release stock updates for the online shop as
they become available.

I am sorry that you haven't been successful in getting your hands on the
new iPhone and once again I would like to apologise that the experience
you had wasn't as we wanted or you deserve. All I can do is reassure you
that we will continue to work closely with Apple to get as much stock as
possible for the UK. We will also continue to use the principle of first
come first served as stock becomes available for both online and in our
stores as we feel that is the best way to be fair and equitable to the
many tens of thousands of other customers also desperate to get one.

Thank you

Stephen Shurrock
Sales Director
O2
 
This was posted on the o2 forum:

If 02's web store is the most robust, how does our country run at all.....(oh, hang on......)

Plus its been stated that NONE of the iphone orders that went through yesterday were upgrades, they were all new customers, so that part of the email from "O2's iphone director" is a lie!

I bet these guys still get a pat on the back and a nice bonus at the end of the year.
 
Plus its been stated that NONE of the iphone orders that went through yesterday were upgrades, they were all new customers, so that part of the email from "O2's iphone director" is a lie!

That's not the case. I am upgrading from iPhone to 3g iPhone and my order went through (eventually). Have a confirmation number and everything :)
 
Funny...I got the exact same message.

I've calmed down a lot since yesterday. Mainly because I have been so busy catching up on work I didn't do yesterday!! ;-))

If the stats are true and they had 13,000 orders per second then then it would crash most systems that aren't designed for that(certain ticket selling web sites). Don't forget only 200,000 pre registered.

It is a cock up, but still lets be fair that is exceptionally high demand so quickly and I know Apple limited stock which is harsh on everyone.

I will go collect my iphone first thing Friday and pray I am early enough! ;-)
 
Funny...I got the exact same message.

If the stats are true and they had 13,000 orders per second then then it would crash most systems that aren't designed for that(certain ticket selling web sites). Don't forget only 200,000 pre registered.

13,0000 orders per second equates to two million iphones sold every 2.5 minutes. Stephen Shurrock may be merely incompetent and meant page impressions, but this would equate to 2166 orders (roughly 6 pages per order) a second. Which is _still_ about 130,000 orders per minute.

Stephen Shurrock is a either a buffoon or a liar.
 
13,0000 orders per second equates to two million iphones sold every 2.5 minutes. Stephen Shurrock may be merely incompetent and meant page impressions, but this would equate to 2166 orders (roughly 6 pages per order) a second. Which is _still_ about 130,000 orders per minute.

Stephen Shurrock is a either a buffoon or a liar.

Ok, now that is harsh.

Yes it equates to 2million iphones in 2.5 minutes, but that was what was crashing the system. Probably the same 100,000-200,000 people all trying to upgrade!!! WE all did it....refresh, refresh refresh refresh.......

I still think the main flaw is the lack of stock. Apple are the ones to blame here. If there was going to be plenty of stock then we would have all calmly waited and collected our phones at o2 stores or ordered on line during the course of the week. Instead we know that stock is limited and we all rushed like idiots to order first thing in the morning!
 
I have a dilema which many of you i'm sure will share.

I tried for hours to get an upgrade order in and failed but I also submitted the "failover" form about 20 times, one of which resulted in a "Thank you... blah blah" the rest were various errors.

So there should be at least one record in a database somewhere that I have made an order, the likelyhood is there is more than one with the number of times i submitted that form. How do I know that this will not be picked up and processed once someone gets around to it? I.e. if I go and buy a phone on Friday I don't want to be charged again the next week...

Has anyone put this one to O2?
 
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