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Not necessarily. Obviously my excuse will not be that want to exchange because i want a faster component. I will just say I am experiencing a wi-fi issue or some other issue with my MBA that is not easily reproducible for them. They will not argue, the customer is always right.
Here's the experience of another MacRumors user that tried that:

I'm outraged! Amazon banned me forever because of too many returns

Essentially, it didn't matter what the "root cause" of the return is (i.e. a not-easily reproducible issue). After so many returns on high-ticket items, you'll no longer be an Amazon customer.
 
I'll be returning/exchanging till i get a Samsung SSD and Samsung LCD

If you return it you might lose your discount.

There really is no discernible difference between the two SSDs, I had the LG display and Toshiba SSD and I loved my Air. I returned that one just to save money, I don't really care what the one I am waiting for from Amazon is like.
 
Here's the experience of another MacRumors user that tried that:

I'm outraged! Amazon banned me forever because of too many returns

Essentially, it didn't matter what the "root cause" of the return is (i.e. a not-easily reproducible issue). After so many returns on high-ticket items, you'll no longer be an Amazon customer.

That was 2008. There was a rash of Amazon bannings around that time and it was a hot topic on Slickdeals.net. Most people who were banned were able to get reinstated. Suspicion was that Amazon had tweaked their algorithm or a new manager was trying out a new policy. Whatever it was, I haven't heard of anyone being banned since then.

You can read all about it here: http://archive.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?t=908910

I would not, and do not, worry about it currently.
 
One More Time... With Feeling!

OK, I just spoke with a third Amazon customer service rep...

You CAN return a slightly-used MBA IF it is in NEW condition and absolutely EVERY piece of packaging is included... that means even the tiny pieces of plastic that protect things like the charger cord.

The customer service rep made it clear that returns are handled by a separate department from customer service and they make the final determination about the condition of the returned item, fees, etc.

NOTE: Amazon does not exchange items; it only refunds the purchase price. A new order must be placed if you want to order a different MBA. Since that is the case, the 20% "special offers" discount CANNOT be used when ordering the new MBA. You will have to pay the regular Amazon price for the new order. The customer service rep was very clear about their policy in that regard. THE 20% DISCOUNT CAN ONLY BE USED FOR ONE COMPUTER ORDER, PERIOD.

So if you if you are on the fence regarding an 11" vs. 13", be sure that you order the model that you want, or be prepared to lose the 20% discount should you return your first order.

FWIW, the customer service rep is going to see to it that the Amazon higher-ups hear that the online return information is unclear and incomplete. Amazon should provide additional details regarding returns. As it is now written, it appears to be written to encourage people to make a purchase at Amazon by emphasizing how easy it is to return merchandise. Unwary customers can run into problems if they don't take the current published returns policy with a grain of salt...
 
I returned home last night, at 1 am and realized I had forgotten to pick up a Kindle with Special Offers... but then I remembered seeing someone's post on hear about the details and it turned out, the promotion was running until 11:59pm PST. I'm in Florida, so it turned out, I still had a few hours to act!

I went to the local walmart, found a 'special offers' version and brought it home and nothing... finally I realized I had to register it and then... a visa ad! I was freaking out thinking I wouldn't get it in time! Finally I realized, putting it to sleep and waking it up, shuffles the offers, which I did until I got it.

By this time, I was so tense over the timing issue, I hurredly ordered an 11" (the high end one) for $971 shipped overnight!

Today, I'm realizing the coupon is good until SEPTEMBER 8th!!! Any Chance they will 'stock' the 13 inchers again? And is there anyway for me to cancel my order, and reuse the code? As the upgraded 11 isn't set to ship for two weeks.
 
As I noted earlier in this thread, Amazon customer service e-mailed me and clearly stated that an open-box return that is not defective nor the wrong item due to Amazon's error has a 20% restocking fee.

Mr. Coxner can refer to the online return policy all he wants, but it is apparently incomplete. Amazon responded to a specific query on this issue and was very clear regarding its return policy. Note that when returning a computer for an exchange or refund it must be in "new" condition according to the table at the link. As far as Amazon is concerned, once it has been booted-up the first time it is no longer considered to be "new."

I have personally bumped into the restocking fee regarding a portable Mac ordered from Amazon in the past. At that time there also was no restocking fee noted in its online return policy. Amazon would not budge from its return policy.

Unless someone contacts Amazon and receives a different reply, one should assume that returning something that is not defective or shipped in error will incur a 20% restocking fee.

Let's try one more. I've already given you the link to the Amazon page on return policies, with no mention of restocking fees.

Here is their page on restocking fees:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/cust...2?ie=UTF8&nodeId=901926&qid=1312933088&sr=1-2

Calculating Refund Amounts

The following conditions and exceptions apply, as do those listed on the Product Specific Policies pages.
Partial refunds/Restocking Fees

Any unopened media item or non-media item in original condition that is returned more than 30 days after delivery: 80% of item's price.
Any book that has obvious signs of use: 50% of item's price.
Any CD, DVD, VHS tape, software, video game, cassette tape, or vinyl record that has been opened (taken out of its plastic wrap): 50% of item's price.
Any item that is not in its original condition, is damaged, or is missing parts for reasons not due to our error: up to 50% of item's price

If you return an item using the return label provided in the Online Returns Center and the reason for return is not a result of our error, the cost of return shipping will be deducted from your refund. Below is an example of the options you'll see in the Returns Center. If you choose the U.S. Postal Service option, the amount that will be deducted from your refund is displayed. If you choose the Self Return option, you'll pay the cost charged by the carrier selected.
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Note there is no specific mention of "computers". It says "original condition" not "unused" or "unopened". The only 20% restocking fee for non-media (which would include computers) is for returns AFTER 30 DAYS.

I will give you that Amazon had a different stated policy a few years ago. Here is the wording FROM THAT TIME.

Any opened computer returned within 30 days of delivery: 85% of item's price.
Any unopened media item or non-media item in original condition that is returned more than 30 days after delivery: 80% of item's price.
Any book that has obvious signs of use: 50% of item's price.
Any CD, DVD, VHS tape, software, video game, cassette tape, or vinyl record that has been opened (taken out of its plastic wrap): 50% of item's price.
Any item that is not in its original condition, is damaged, or is missing parts for reasons not due to our error: up to 50% of item's price
===============

That WAS the policy. It is NOT the current policy. Even with that past policy it was at Amazon's discretion whether to impose it and they rarely did. I returned an XBox 360 during that time, along with OPENED software. I got a full refund, including the software. However, I'm a very active Amazon customer so I suspect they cut me a break. But, that's just a guess, they may have done it for everyone.

As for being banned, I'm sure Amazon does have an algorithm for it.

If you're a first time customer and you return a $2000 computer 5 times, then yes, you're probably risking being banned.

If you spend $1000 a year on Amazon, and have been a customer for a few years, then you can probably return a $2000 computer 2 or 3 times without being banned.

If you spend $10000 a year, you can probably return it as many times as you wish.

No matter who you are, or how many times you return it, there is no restocking fee. :)
 
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Since I'm currently waiting on the arrival of my first Mac computer because of this thread (I've had iPods and my iPhone for quite awhile, so I'm not a complete Apple newbie), I figured I should register and thank the group for making me aware of this coupon.

I had been eying the 11" MacBook Air as my next laptop for awhile, but really couldn't justify the cost. But when I saw there was a coupon available and I knew that was a deal that was NEVER going to be beat, suddenly I couldn't justify not buying it. So now I have to hope that I can get some stuff sold on eBay. :D

I don't have a Kindle, but I was able to find someone who does who gave me their code in exchange for a poster and a comic book, so I think I got a really good deal all around. Delivery is scheduled for Friday - so excited!!
 
I returned home last night, at 1 am and realized I had forgotten to pick up a Kindle with Special Offers... but then I remembered seeing someone's post on hear about the details and it turned out, the promotion was running until 11:59pm PST. I'm in Florida, so it turned out, I still had a few hours to act!

I went to the local walmart, found a 'special offers' version and brought it home and nothing... finally I realized I had to register it and then... a visa ad! I was freaking out thinking I wouldn't get it in time! Finally I realized, putting it to sleep and waking it up, shuffles the offers, which I did until I got it.

By this time, I was so tense over the timing issue, I hurredly ordered an 11" (the high end one) for $971 shipped overnight!

Today, I'm realizing the coupon is good until SEPTEMBER 8th!!! Any Chance they will 'stock' the 13 inchers again? And is there anyway for me to cancel my order, and reuse the code? As the upgraded 11 isn't set to ship for two weeks.

You can cancel the order before it ships and still keep the code. I've flip flopped 3 times, (but now I'm set) so Yes, cancel it, and wait out until the model you want is available. (Don't wait past September 8th)
 
Bob, all I am trying to say is that when all is said and done Amazon's return policy is not very clear, even on the Web pages that you provided. The language is ambiguous and the interpretation of the term "original condition" is up to the discretion of the returns department. Even its customer service reps cannot keep their stories straight. The restocking fee may or may not be deducted in most cases, but unless you have inside information regarding the frequency, you have no way of knowing that it is "rarely" imposed either now or in the past when the policy was written differently.

Anecdotal evidence doesn't count. In your case Amazon refunded your money; in my case they told me to not even bother returning the computer unless I wanted to pay the restocking fee. Based on my experience, until now I never seriously considered purchasing another Mac from Amazon.

Apple's return policy is clear and straightforward. Amazon's is not. If it weren't for the 20% discount I would buy from Apple and gladly pay a little more money for the certainty and clearer return policy.

As it stands, I am now reasonably certain that if I return an MBA I will obtain a refund. I always retain all packaging materials (even the tiny "ties" used to secure cables) and I don't do anything that would damage an item if there is a chance that I might return it. Heck- my stuff is almost always in like-new condition even after extensive use because I'm careful and use cases, etc. with an eye toward the eventual resale value. My 2+ year old iPhone 3GS looks brand new because it has lived in an Otterbox Defender case since Day One.
 
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I actually hit the MBA lottery 'jackpot' by getting the Samsung SSD and panel. But then again I paid over $1700 for it after taxes from the Apple store in socal. With the KSO coupon I paid, a little over $1200. For $500 in savings, I'm willing to return my MBA back to Apple (I'm still within my return window) and roll the dice again on the MBA from Amazon. I may not even look up my SSD or panel model as long as I'm happy with it. It'll just mess with my head since I tend to believe all the hype.
 
That was 2008. There was a rash of Amazon bannings around that time and it was a hot topic on Slickdeals.net. Most people who were banned were able to get reinstated. Suspicion was that Amazon had tweaked their algorithm or a new manager was trying out a new policy. Whatever it was, I haven't heard of anyone being banned since then.

I would not, and do not, worry about it currently.

There have been bannings since 2008, just not as many. You keep returning expensive laptops, then it's see how long it takes for a lifetime ban of your account, address and CC.

Jackasses abused Costco's return policy so it was changed.

People should not abuse Amazon's over something as trivial as SSD manufacturer, because in the end we all pay higher prices for their cheapness/stupidity.
 
Bob, all I am trying to say is that when all is said and done Amazon's return policy is not very clear, even on the Web pages that you provided. Even its customer service reps cannot keep their stories straight.

Apple's return policy is clear and straightforward. Amazon's is not. If it weren't for the 20% discount I would buy from Apple and gladly pay a little more money for the certainty and clearer return policy.

As it stands, I am now reasonably certain that if I return an MBA I will obtain a refund. One good thing that resulted from all the hassle trying to get a straight answer is that it is clear that the 20% discount can only be used once. Unfortunately for the people who posted that they were returning their order purchased with the discount, it was a one-time deal for them.

I think we're in agreement now.

I tend to get defensive when it comes to Amazon. I don't work there but I've been a loyal customer since August 5, 1996, and I'm sure I overreact to anyone questioning their dedication to customer service. (One of the nice things about their database is you can go back and see the details of every order you have ever made with them)

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Delivery estimate:August 13, 1996 - August 15, 1996 (More about estimates)

Shipping Address:

xxxx
United States


Shipping Speed:
Standard Shipping

Items Ordered Price
1 of: The Princeton Review : Best 309 Colleges, 1997 : The Buyer's Guide to College (Annual) [Paperback]
By: Tom Meltzer, et al
Sold by: Amazon.com LLC
$16.20

1 of: The Insider's Guide to the Colleges 1996 (Annual) [Paperback]
By: Yale Daily News Staff
Sold by: Amazon.com LLC
$13.49


Item(s) Subtotal: $29.69
Shipping & Handling: $4.90
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Total Before Tax: $34.59
Sales Tax: $0.00
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Total for This Shipment: $34.59
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(My son was looking at choosing a college. You may notice that there was no Prime then and you had to pay shipping even on orders over $25. Even with 1996 I can't claim to be the earliest. They sold their first book online in July 1995.)
 
There have been bannings since 2008, just not as many. You keep returning expensive laptops, then it's see how long it takes for a lifetime ban of your account, address and CC.

Jackasses abused Costco's return policy so it was changed.

People should not abuse Amazon's over something as trivial as SSD manufacturer, because in the end we all pay higher prices for their cheapness/stupidity.

No arguments at all. You're absolutely right about Costco. They had the most liberal return policies ever when it came to computers and tvs but the abuse was ridiculous.

Returning to Apple, Amazon or Best Buy due to getting a Toshiba drive rather than a Samsung should get you banned from any of them.
 
I'll be returning/exchanging till i get a Samsung SSD and Samsung LCD

Have fun with your lifetime banning!

As others have noted, when Amazon bans you, your Kindle becomes disabled as well. :p You get everything that's coming to you if you want to abuse the system.
 
When I googled "amazon computer return policy" I get the following link:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?ie=UTF8&nodeId=901900

Under section: Computer Return Policy

Computer Return Policy
  • Due to computer manufacturers policies and restrictions, computer products which are greater than 30 days from the date of shipment receipt may not be returned.
  • Computers purchased from Amazon.com, which have not been opened, may be returned for a refund within 30 days of receipt of shipment via our online Returns Center. Computers purchased from Amazon.com which have been opened are subject to a partial refund of 85% of the sale price.

Is this just an old document? I couldn't find other links to it from the general return policy page.
 
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NOTE: Amazon does not exchange items; it only refunds the purchase price. A new order must be placed if you want to order a different MBA. Since that is the case, the 20% "special offers" discount CANNOT be used when ordering the new MBA. You will have to pay the regular Amazon price for the new order. The customer service rep was very clear about their policy in that regard. THE 20% DISCOUNT CAN ONLY BE USED FOR ONE COMPUTER ORDER, PERIOD.
Well, if that's correct, that effectively ends the ability of people to keep returning Airs until they get the SSD/screen combo they want.
 
I think we're in agreement now.

I tend to get defensive when it comes to Amazon. I don't work there but I've been a loyal customer since August 5, 1996, and I'm sure I overreact to anyone questioning their dedication to customer service. (One of the nice things about their database is you can go back and see the details of every order you have ever made with them)

Bob, I have 142 orders from Amazon since September 1997... so you are preaching to the choir! But I have experienced lapses in its customer service, albeit rarely. It's a good company, but not perfect. As a long-time customer you are probably aware of Amazon's missteps, like the time it remotely deleted a book from customer Kindles due to a copyright dispute.

It's fine to be a loyal customer, but I draw the line at blindly defending Amazon or any other company against all criticism.
 
When I googled "amazon computer return policy" I get the following link:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?ie=UTF8&nodeId=901900

Under section: Computer Return Policy



Is this just an old document? I couldn't find other links to it from the general return policy page.

Tummy, that is apparently the current policy and the one most people are going to find at Amazon. I still don't know where Bob found the link to the current detailed returns policy. I didn't come across it when I was scanning Amazon's customer service links...

The policy that you quoted is what got me confused in the first place.
 
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Today's Kindle special offer is $15 off $30 in school supplies and $5 off Kindle reading lights. They expire in 3 days, so maybe we'll get another cool offer after that.

I wish they'd run the special on the lit reading case.. Had I known it was half price before - I would have bought one for my girlfriend.

I returned home last night, at 1 am and realized I had forgotten to pick up a Kindle with Special Offers... but then I remembered seeing someone's post on hear about the details and it turned out, the promotion was running until 11:59pm PST. I'm in Florida, so it turned out, I still had a few hours to act!

I went to the local walmart, found a 'special offers' version and brought it home and nothing... finally I realized I had to register it and then... a visa ad! I was freaking out thinking I wouldn't get it in time! Finally I realized, putting it to sleep and waking it up, shuffles the offers, which I did until I got it.

By this time, I was so tense over the timing issue, I hurredly ordered an 11" (the high end one) for $971 shipped overnight!

Today, I'm realizing the coupon is good until SEPTEMBER 8th!!! Any Chance they will 'stock' the 13 inchers again? And is there anyway for me to cancel my order, and reuse the code? As the upgraded 11 isn't set to ship for two weeks.

There's a menu option for get special offers that just lists everything

Well, if that's correct, that effectively ends the ability of people to keep returning Airs until they get the SSD/screen combo they want.

They'll just go to apple store and do it.
 
Tummy, that is apparently the current policy and the one most people are going to find at Amazon. I still don't know where Bob found the link to the current detailed returns policy. I didn't come across it when I was scanning Amazon's customer service links...

The policy that you quoted is what got me confused in the first place.

www.amazon.com
click on "Help" in the upper right
click on "Returns and Refunds" under Popular Topics
click on "Electronics" under Product Return Policies

for restocking fees (same page as Product Return Policies)
click on "Calculating Refunds"

(you can also get there by searching on "restocking" in the Help search box)
 
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I wish they'd run the special on the lit reading case.. Had I known it was half price before - I would have bought one for my girlfriend.



There's a menu option for get special offers that just lists everything



They'll just go to apple store and do it.

I bought a refurbished one for $39. It seems completely brand new.
 
I placed my wife's order for the 11" 4/128 model this evening. Delivery estimate is currently sitting at 8/31-9/8. Hopefully it ships sooner, but if not, oh well. The savings are worth the wait and her MacBook is still in perfect shape, so no rush.
 
www.amazon.com
click on "Help" in the upper right
click on "Returns and Refunds" under Popular Topics
click on "Electronics" under Product Return Policies

for restocking fees (same page as Product Return Policies)
click on "Calculating Refunds"

(you can also get there by searching on "restocking" in the Help search box)
Ok, so I don't see a restocking fee listed for computers (new condition and less than 30 days) on any of those pages.
 
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