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Online Ad Evidence of Imminent iMac, Mac Mini and MacBook Updates?

Hj12345 said:
HAHA. And you think therefore that the Google ads that are out there, it's just to joke with us? And that Apple chooses to not deploy more machines from the current line-up to the big retailers (Best Buy, Amazon), is that beacuse Apple already has enough money?

Idiot. :)

If you could bet money on what date the launch would occur, I would bet everything I own on October 13. It is just so.

Last year, unibody-event was in that day, or it was the 14th (https://www.macrumors.com/2008/10/14/apple-october-2008-notebook-media-event-coverage/) - the same thing will happen this year.

A inivation from Apple that they said it will hold an event next Tuesday would make such a big, heavy stone falling down from my heart, what a relief.
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No need to call names. The google ads are nonsense (like the stupid google ad about the iMac Air) or referring to current stock - nothing in those ads indicates that these are future macs.

As to stock shortages, that means nothing - when you buy components in bulk, you don't always get your estimates right, or you may need to top up in order to prepare for the Christmas buying season - and suppliers need a bit of time to ramp up production. This is all about the current production, and channel inventory adjustment is a standard event... happens to Dell also. Besides, did you notice how you can order the Mini from Apple and there is plenty of availability and shipping is very fast?

If you think a big event is coming now where they unveil new designs, dream on. There are no chips! And no, Clarksfield are not "perfect" - they need new mobile chips... and that means only one thing: Arrandale.

They are not putting old chips in a new design! Forget it. If you want to amp up your expectations, go ahead, but to those who understand what's going on, this is ridiculous. It doesn't make sense to have a major redesign without new chips, sheesh!
 
I don't know how Apple as a company has worked in the past but if you take all the various things into account it can only mean an update very soon.

Lack of stock. I know that 2 of my local stores are very short on stock. ( there are no rumours that I have seen of manufacturing delays with current imacs and minis).

Available technology (new chips)

Time of year (christmas)

what is now considered to be by some outdated technology.

Would it not make sense to anyone, that financially there will be some kind of update in the next couple of weeks. Apple are a business and put simply if they don't have products on the shelves they can't sell their products, therefore they don't make money. :):)
 
OldCorpse said:
No need to call names. The google ads are nonsense (like the stupid google ad about the iMac Air) or referring to current stock - nothing in those ads indicates that these are future macs.

As to stock shortages, that means nothing - when you buy components in bulk, you don't always get your estimates right, or you may need to top up in order to prepare for the Christmas buying season - and suppliers need a bit of time to ramp up production. This is all about the current production, and channel inventory adjustment is a standard event... happens to Dell also. Besides, did you notice how you can order the Mini from Apple and there is plenty of availability and shipping is very fast?

If you think a big event is coming now where they unveil new designs, dream on. There are no chips! And no, Clarksfield are not "perfect" - they need new mobile chips... and that means only one thing: Arrandale.

They are not putting old chips in a new design! Forget it. If you want to amp up your expectations, go ahead, but to those who understand what's going on, this is ridiculous. It doesn't make sense to have a major redesign without new chips, sheesh!
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It is a two-week deadline from Education-store, right now in these times as rumors actually suggest that it will happen something - is not it a bit strange? "Thinner iMac" is the word that stands in the Google ads, and it is type the main word that there's rumor for the iMac, I think that's indicative of an update. It is not just an ad from a country on Google either, there are several Apple Store that has the same ads, in their own language.

It is never otherwise take two weeks to arrive from Amazon or Best Buy, but right now it is. I do not buy it there by Christmas, it's for a long time until then. Instead, it is a perfect time to launch something for Christmas right now.

I think it clearly is an update on time. And I sincerely hope you are wrong. :)
 
londonmystery said:
I don't know how Apple as a company has worked in the past but if you take all the various things into account it can only mean an update very soon.

Lack of stock. I know that 2 of my local stores are very short on stock. ( there are no rumours that I have seen of manufacturing delays with current imacs and minis).

Available technology (new chips)

Time of year (christmas)

what is now considered to be by some outdated technology.

Would it not make sense to anyone, that financially there will be some kind of update in the next couple of weeks. Apple are a business and put simply if they don't have products on the shelves they can't sell their products, therefore they don't make money. :):)
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Who says Apple can't sell unupdated stock come Christmas? They didn't update the Mini for two whole years!! And when was the last time they updated the iMac in October or November for the Christmas season? In 2003 and 2005. In all other years, they sold old iMacs for Christmas. They still sold well.
 
Clarksfield is just about perfect for iMac other than cost. It has the right thermal characteristics.

I don't see why iMac and MacBook must have common CPU. If this is apples decision then yea arrendale makes the most sense since it would work better in the mbp.
 
OldCorpse said:
Besides, if we were really this close to an update, there'd already be at least some leaks of better reliability.
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AppleInsider not reliable enough for you?

OldCorpse said:
There are no chips! And no, Clarksfield are not "perfect" - they need new mobile chips... and that means only one thing: Arrandale.
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Clarksfield is also a "new chip."

OldCorpse said:
They are not putting old chips in a new design! Forget it. If you want to amp up your expectations, go ahead, but to those who understand what's going on, this is ridiculous. It doesn't make sense to have a major redesign without new chips, sheesh!
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Signs point to an imminent small design change with Core 2 Duo.

Hj12345 said:
It is a two-week deadline from Education-store, right now in these times as rumors actually suggest that it will happen something - is not it a bit strange? "Thinner iMac" is the word that stands in the Google ads, and it is type the main word that there's rumor for the iMac, I think that's indicative of an update. It is not just an ad from a country on Google either, there are several Apple Store that has the same ads, in their own language.
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What people are forgetting is that even if those ads weren't there, there would still be all this evidence for a new iMac.

jmpage2 said:
I don't see why iMac and MacBook must have common CPU.
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They do because Core 2 Duo spans a large segment of the notebook CPU range and 800 MHz Penryn is quite old now.
 
jmpage2 said:
Clarksfield is just about perfect for iMac other than cost. It has the right thermal characteristics.

I don't see why iMac and MacBook must have common CPU. If this is apples decision then yea arrendale makes the most sense since it would work better in the mbp.
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First of all, Arrandale is going to be cooler (it's a 32nm vs 45 for Clarksfield), but more importantly it's about graphics. NVidia has licensing problems with Intel's newer Nehalem chips, and Intel is going to integrate graphics into their Arrandale chip, shutting out NVidia. Obviously, Apple is stuck with Intel, so guess what's going to happen? This means that Apple has to make the transition to a 100% Intel CPU/GPU solution (and no, I don't like it either), and the sooner they do it, the better. This means only one thing: it's Arrandale all the way.
 
OldCorpse said:
First of all, Arrandale is going to be cooler (it's a 32nm vs 45 for Clarksfield),
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Clarksfield should fit in the iMac's thermals with room to spare. Certainly a thinner iMac may mean they won't fit but that's what an upcoming Core 2 Duo update is for (I don't think they'll use Clarksfield either).

OldCorpse said:
but more importantly it's about graphics. NVidia has licensing problems with Intel's newer Nehalem chips, and Intel is going to integrate graphics into their Arrandale chip, shutting out NVidia. Obviously, Apple is stuck with Intel, so guess what's going to happen? This means that Apple has to make the transition to a 100% Intel CPU/GPU solution (and no, I don't like it either), and the sooner they do it, the better. This means only one thing: it's Arrandale all the way.
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So all integrated GPUs until low/mid-range Larrabee?
 
It seems hard to believe that we're gong to go from high performance separate gpu to low performance ntegrated gpu. I'm not an insider though so I suppose apple could do something that stupid.
 
OldCorpse said:
Who says Apple can't sell unupdated stock come Christmas? They didn't update the Mini for two whole years!! And when was the last time they updated the iMac in October or November for the Christmas season? In 2003 and 2005. In all other years, they sold old iMacs for Christmas. They still sold well.
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They could and would sell the current imac and mini at christmas, the problem is that the stores are running low on stock, Amazon have none available and other sites like Macmall have a 2 week delay. If there were manufacturing delays we would have heard by now, we haven't. This means they are not currently selling stock and as I said earlier, therefore not making as much money. They are a business and their prime objective is to make money.

How many people, including me, who use this site are not buying at the moment because they are waiting to see what happens?

If you wish to criticise someones post please read it all first. Would make life much easier for all concerned.

thats me done for now. lol. :):)
 
iMacmatician said:
So all integrated GPUs until low/mid-range Larrabee?
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Obviously not for MP or even the Mini (for the Mini, they can stick with bumping up the speed on the current chips... they can get at least another year out of that). Here's one thing to think about - there are advantages to using the same chips across the maximum line of product - you get huge economy of scale. And in the current and foreseeable economy, cost is a big, big factor. Apple has to find every way to shave costs. This will be one way. Besides, isn't it a tradition for Apple's graphics to always suck? Nothing new here.
 
OldCorpse said:
And in the current and foreseeable economy, cost is a big, big factor. Apple has to find every way to shave costs. This will be one way.
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Another way would be to stick with Penryn for the forseeable future and not Arrandale.

OldCorpse said:
Besides, isn't it a tradition for Apple's graphics to always suck? Nothing new here.
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Didn't realize it could be that much of a downgrade. At least with the Intel transition the integrated GPUs replaced outdated low-end GPUs.
 
iMacmatician said:
Another way would be to stick with Penryn for the forseeable future and not Arrandale.

Didn't realize it could be that much of a downgrade. At least with the Intel transition the integrated GPUs replaced outdated low-end GPUs.
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Yes, but even Apple realizes that at some point they cannot fall behind so far that they become a laughing stock. Penryn on iMacs next year would be a laughing stock. As to how much of a downgrade the graphics would be is a matter of degree, but point is, it'll be transitional until Larrabee springs, so maybe not all that long.
 
OldCorpse said:
Yes, but even Apple realizes that at some point they cannot fall behind so far that they become a laughing stock. Penryn on iMacs next year would be a laughing stock. As to how much of a downgrade the graphics would be is a matter of degree, but point is, it'll be transitional until Larrabee springs, so maybe not all that long.
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So how is Penryn on iMacs until Sandy Bridge in 2011 is different from integrated GPUs on iMacs until Larrabee in 2011/whenever?

And the graphics downgrade would be 1/2 the 9400M's performance and a fraction of the 9600M's. Already known.
 
frosse said:
Not only do we have numerous rumors about the iMac but looking at the update rate for the iMac it's about time for an update, big or not.

https://buyersguide.macrumors.com//#iMac
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Updates occur when the technology is there. For Apple, which doesn't use desktop chips except in the MP, this constrains things considerably. The buyers guide is just an average time computation - not gospel... the whole point of "average" is that there are long and short times - when there is no technology, the times are long, when there is, it's short. Right now, there isn't.
 
iMacmatician said:
So how is Penryn on iMacs until Sandy Bridge in 2011 is different from integrated GPUs on iMacs until Larrabee in 2011/whenever?

And the graphics downgrade would be 1/2 the 9400M's performance and a fraction of the 9600M's. Already known.
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That is not what I meant. I meant by "degree" relative to how the consumer perceives it. I know perfectly well, that it sucks, which is why I said that I don't like it. Wouldn't be the first time though, that Apple has gone backwards in their GPU with new product. As to Penryn, I assumed you meant the current cores, so sorry about that, I should have specified. The key point here is that Apple is trying to move to multicore as soon as feasible, because that's when SL will shine. Right now, they are getting beat up a bit in perception that SL is no improvement over Leopard. So the sooner they move everything over to multicore to take advantage of GCD, the better (they'll drag out the low end a bit, but that's about it).
 
Well we now have offical apple warnings of stock shortages, rimes of new machines coming off the line for weeks, new promotional material arriving instores and new kb and mouse at the FCC.

Something is up, even if it is the same chassis with updates.
 
OldCorpse said:
Updates occur when the technology is there. For Apple, which doesn't use desktop chips except in the MP, this constrains things considerably. The buyers guide is just an average time computation - not gospel... the whole point of "average" is that there are long and short times - when there is no technology, the times are long, when there is, it's short. Right now, there isn't.
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True, BUT,
For example, Apple Retail on Monday issued an advisory to its stateside brick-and-mortar shops in which it noted that further orders for many of its existing desktop SKUs would go unhonored and that stores should not expect those models to be restocked.

More specifically, the Mac maker made the remarks in respect to all four retail configurations of its all-in-one aluminum iMac line and the low-end $599 Mac mini, which sports half the memory and roughly one-third the storage capacity of its pricier cousin.
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http://www.appleinsider.com/article...s_of_near_term_imac_mac_mini_constraints.html
 
jmpage2 said:
Well we now have offical apple warnings of stock shortages, rimes of new machines coming off the line for weeks, new promotional material arriving instores and new kb and mouse at the FCC.
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New promo material?

On another note I expect the iMac redesign to be similar in magnitude to the design change that happened in late 2005, at least externally.
 
jmpage2 said:
It seems hard to believe that we're gong to go from high performance separate gpu to low performance ntegrated gpu. I'm not an insider though so I suppose apple could do something that stupid.
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Wouldnt be the first time, remember Mini and taking out the ati 9200 and putting in Intel's integrated crapola graphics? that was a step backwards big time and people are still crying over that one. Lets hope they learned their lesson.:apple:
 
iMacmatician said:
New promo material?

On another note I expect the iMac redesign to be similar in magnitude to the design change that happened in late 2005, at least externally.
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http://www.appleinsider.com/article...imacs_lighter_macbooks_cheaper_mac_minis.html

appleinsider.com said:
Some Apple retail stores also reportedly received new signage in the past 48 hours that's not to be opened or displayed until further notice.
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i think that article has been posted many times in this thread.
 
Sooo...

Does the MBP get a speed bump in order to keep a reasonable gap between the MacBook and MBP? I have my fingers crossed for the 2.53 to move to the $1199 price.

Otherwise, I may just get this new Macbook.
 
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