For most users a higher clocked Dual-Core chip is better; however, there is a prosumer market that buy the iMac (like myself) that do a lot of video encoding. For that, Quad-Core is needed but I don't feel like spending twice as much for a Mac Pro. An option would be nice, but I am not expecting it.
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For most users a higher clocked Dual-Core chip is better; however, there is a prosumer market that buy the iMac (like myself) that do a lot of video encoding. For that, Quad-Core is needed but I don't feel like spending twice as much for a Mac Pro. An option would be nice, but I am not expecting it.
Apple shouldn't market on clock speed. They should market on IPC. Especially since it appears that Intel is slowing the clock speed down between each tock.
I'd only expect to see dual core processors in computers under $500-600. It's easy to get one when the starting price is $100 for AMD and about $140 for Intel. Even so Intel might be pushing the Q7600 out stateside to compete against AMD.
Dell is even selling a few Core i5 750 systems for $700. The difference between quad core and dual core becomes only an issue of price and thermals under Nehalem/Westmere. I don't see how you can justify a faster dual core otherwise when Turbo Boost is in play.
Dell is even selling a few Core i5 750 systems for $700. The difference between quad core and dual core becomes only an issue of price and thermals under Nehalem/Westmere. I don't see how you can justify a faster dual core otherwise when Turbo Boost is in play.
That is a really good point, now that Turbo Boost is around. I really hope Apple moves to Clarksfield (with the Extreme 55W, but considering they are making the iMac thinner, it may not work) or the rumored low-power Xeon chips.
I agree, and based on one of the recent rumors it may happen. People heard Xeon and thought it was impossible but many people do not know about these chips. The clock speeds are not as high as the highest Clarksfield (2.0), but they are much cheeper if I remember correctly and have lower heat requirements which is right up Apple's alley.
We had a good laugh until we took a look at it.
You might be limited to using DIMMs though on the controller.
Xeons and motherboard are available long time
Core i5 and mother board are available quite period of time
what it takes it to release an upgraded iMac?
I think Core i7 mobile is the reason
once mac mini and iMac stocks runs out, we will know what is going on ...
amazon says 2 to 4 weeks for $1499 iMacs.
Core i5 and mother board are available quite period of time
what it takes it to release an upgraded iMac?
I think Core i7 mobile is the reason
once mac mini and iMac stocks runs out, we will know what is going on ...
amazon says 2 to 4 weeks for $1499 iMacs.
You guys are missing the point. The i7 chips are not usable for the iMac or Mini for many reasons, but the big problem is with graphics. NVidia is dead on the Intel platform (barring an unexpected legal victory); Intel feels threatened with the GPU becoming more and more used in core CPU functions by modern OSes. They cannot allow that, so they want to control the whole stack. This means Intel graphics - and sadly very crappy graphics, at least initially with the integrated junk a real step back. That's where Arrandale comes in. And that's what Apple is waiting for - a 100% Intel solution, not because they like it, but because they have no choice... with Nvidia out of the game, it's the only option (even AMD is not an option, not only because they'd never again port everything away from Intel, but because AMD is going to go with ATI the same way as Intel so it's no different). Apple is not about to stick with one iteration of chips which will be supplanted soon by an 100% Intel solution. They'll just wait for that. That means Arrandale. That means next year. That means no updates until then. Jeez, people, learn to look at technology roadmaps, so you can find out what is possible, and then build your expectations about an update based on that!!
use a dedicated graphics?
that fixes the intel/nvidia fight and use a different motherboard? Alpha Prefix Description
Q Desktop quad-core high performance processors
E Desktop energy efficient dual-core processors with TDP greater than or equal to 55W
http://www.intel.com/products/processor_number/about/core.htm
65 Watts Desktop CPU still possible in iMac (but may be with 32nm not with 45nm) right now it looks like Core i7 Mobile is the way to go...
Q Desktop quad-core high performance processors
E Desktop energy efficient dual-core processors with TDP greater than or equal to 55W
http://www.intel.com/products/processor_number/about/core.htm
65 Watts Desktop CPU still possible in iMac (but may be with 32nm not with 45nm) right now it looks like Core i7 Mobile is the way to go...
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What i want to see:
1. iMacs should have blue ray and quad core also a new thin design would be welcome also a little cheaper
2. Mac mini should be faster and should have an hdmi port it would be cool for this to have blue ray
3. Macbook (white) should have a new design and should be faster
On october 14th apple will have a conference about laptops so watch out for that.
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1. iMacs should have blue ray and quad core also a new thin design would be welcome
also a little cheaper 2. Mac mini should be faster and should have an hdmi port it would be cool for this to have blue ray
3. Macbook (white) should have a new design and should be faster
On october 14th apple will have a conference about laptops so watch out for that.
Also i love
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Hey guys, I just got in from an Apple users group meeting. One of the members works for an Apple Authorized reseller. He was all gitty, as he's being sent to Cuppertino on Monday the 19th for an "Event" This is solid info from a trustworthy guy. Hey this is good news at least we have more info.
Hey guys, I just got in from an Apple users group meeting. One of the members works for an Apple Authorized reseller. He was all gitty, as he's being sent to Cuppertino on Monday the 19th for an "Event" This is solid info from a trustworthy guy. Hey this is good news at least we have more info.
Intel Graphics is a no starter, Apple did that with Mini and lets face it Intel graphics is crap. Ill go back to PC if Apple pull this garbage.
yeah - my uncle's brother's son also attended that meeting and he said something along those lines.
BS.
Yeah. Have you noticed how these "scoops" always seem to come from newbies with no track record? Like this one, who signed up "October 2009"? If it was a poster who had a history here, he'd have credibility to safeguard, but a newbie has none, so they just blow smoke.
I agree - 100% BS.
Hey guys, pardon my ignorance, but I have a general question. Is it normal for Amazon to undersell the Apple store?
Am I wrong that this http://www.amazon.com/Apple-MacBook...3?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1255203705&sr=8-3 is the same as the basic MBP selling for 1199 in Apple store?
Am I wrong that this http://www.amazon.com/Apple-MacBook...3?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1255203705&sr=8-3 is the same as the basic MBP selling for 1199 in Apple store?
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Not a Scoop, just some info
Yes I'm new to posting here, and it's not a scoop. I've been watching these posts for a while. Thanks for all the great posts I've learned a lot from ya'll.
Yes I'm new to posting here, and it's not a scoop. I've been watching these posts for a while. Thanks for all the great posts I've learned a lot from ya'll.
this is completely normal.
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So, are you suggesting that Apple can't make a computer unless it uses integrated graphics? In fact, historically it has been rather unusual for Apple to use integrated graphics in the iMac so there is no reason why they couldn't go with discrete graphics across the entire iMac line. Thus, you can pretty much expect that the iMac will move to the Core i7 Mobile and discrete graphics real soon now (but I'm expecting this to happen no earlier than Oct 20).
However, the Mac mini and MacBook are different situations. That's why I don't expect new processors in either of those products for some time to come. They will continue using the Core 2 Duo and NVIDIA's 9400M. In those configurations they will represent the low end of Apple's line (which they are) and will take advantage of the price reductions that come from using "mature" technology. Besides the Mac mini just got a major overhaul six months ago so I'm not expecting any big changes in that product for a good while to come.
This leaves only the MacBook Pros and they will most likely use next year's dual-core Arrandale. However, there is a good reason why you'd want integrated graphics in a product like the MacBook Pro -- it will be used only when you need to conserve battery power and thus switchable graphics will become standard across the entire MacBook Pro line. In fact, the whole point of the Arrandale design is power conservation and thus it's integrated graphics are just a part of that goal. Thus, for the time being, Intel's integrated graphics will be a "pro" feature employed for good reason on a battery-powered (or limited) device like a notebook computer. Thus the MacBook Pros will use Arrandale plus a discrete graphics processor from either NVIDIA or ATI.
That's simply not compatible with the other rumor that there is a redesign to make the iMac a lot thinner. Either-Or. There are both space and thermal issues with discrete graphics. The trend for iMac from the beginning (and really, for all Apple computers) has been for less space and to keep power requirements lower. This is why it's inevitable that you'll have integrated graphics - hopefully they'll get a lot better. But Apple has seen the future, and it's in integrated chipsets. Of course, I'm not saying all is lost - let's see what Larrabee brings before we go too far with this speculation.
I have Intel Integrated Graphics on my Macbook. It sucks. Might as well have no graphics it cannot do anything.
NVIDIA was a step forward in Macbooks... but now it looks like its going backwards again.
NVIDIA was a step forward in Macbooks... but now it looks like its going backwards again.
Well, your assertion that they will stay with C2D is completely incompatible with the rumor of a new, thinner iMac chassis also, so I don't know why you bring this up.
It makes absolutely no sense at all for Apple to redesign the iMac and then stick with C2D since later on making the change to Arrendale will require a whole new motherboard and subsequent redesign.
Can we entertain the possibility that Apple will get Arrendale 3-4 months before anyone else does? Apple has gotten exclusive/early processors from Intel before, maybe they will pull a rabbit out of their hats for this iMac redesign.
I still think that a 4core/8thread Clarkfield chip makes far more sense for the iMac than Arrendale anyway. Arrendale in a MBP redesign next year, Clarkfield in iMac this year perhaps.
Actually I saw their advert for the sale in Friday's NZ Herald.
There is a MagnumMac branch very near me here in the Westfield Albany mall (Auckland) which I do go into from time to time just to check prices and play with the new machines, but I haven't bought anything from them in many, many years (long before Renaissance bought them).
If I was buying a computer I'd actually go downstairs to JB Hi-Fi who often have cheaper prices ... at the moment the 13" MacBook Pro is $100 cheaper, which makes it the same as the Education price on Apple's webstore.