'OpenCore Computer' Launches Commercial Hackintosh in Violation of Apple's macOS Licensing Agreement [Updated]

[Naaaaak]

Power Computing when a Power Computing Mac Clone was faster and more robust than what Apple offered.

Power Computing was ahead of its time.

Instead of learning "address multiple price points and be agile with updates", Apple learned "hold your tech stack closely and make mostly premium products".

Power Computing would sell you a top-end Mac at a competitive price point and update their offerings regularly.

Apple sells you a Mac Pro that's trounced by AMD offerings that sell at half of Apple's starting price. Or an iMac Pro that's been ignored for 2 years. Or a keyboard that didn't work for 4 years. Or a MacBook Air without a Retina display for nearly 5 years. Or an $1100 phone with a notch. Or a $700 phone from 2 years ago based on a design from 6 years ago. Etc.

 

[cmaier]

You completely missed the point yet again... LOL

I wasn't referring to "this" company buying macOS, but rather end users. I also did not say Apple would offer any support whatsoever to said end users. You clearly see what you want to see when you read things.

Apple wouldn't stand to lose any money if they offered to sell macOS for say $200 and provided zero support.

You must be thinking Apple would sell less machines, thus losing money. I seriously doubt that. Hackintoshers are going to Hackintosh regardless of Apple's blessing. At least this way Apple is making some money off those choosing to go down that rabbit hole.

BTW, I am not a fan of Hackintoshes.

Nobody is buying MacOS for $200. And if they did, that’s one less Mac sold, and apple makes more than $200 profit margins from macs.

 

[sbmacdc]

Take a good look at the Terms and Conditions. You'll note that many areas of the obviously boilerplate are skipped. Examples include "...in accordance with the laws of without regard...", missing what country/state the governing law is located; "If a revision is material we will try to provide at least days notice prior", without noting the number of days.

SCAM!

 

[Zdigital2015]

I give it until Tuesday for Apple to send them a cease and desist. They’re toast.
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Maybe this company knows something we don't. Maybe Apple is going to make an announcement at WWDC that it is opening its EULA to allow people to buy their OS and install it on anything they like. That would be awesome and smart on Apple's part.

Apple is not a charity, and macOS is Apple’s valuable IP, OpenCore Computer is e’screwed.

 

[yurc]

Acidenthera's opencore has absolutely nothing to do with this cash grab. This even goes against the open source hackintosh community mind set.

The only thing this does is damage acidenthera's work and the the world of hackintosh...

This. This is really tarnished open source nature which Hackintosh keep from any commercial spin off. This is blatant violation in community rules.

Opencore is also actively under development and also used on real Macintosh, not just for hackintosh.

 

[sw1tcher]

But, if you want a viable machine for getting things done, no way.

"No way" was my exact thought after spending some time with a MacBook Pro with butterfly keyboard. I just couldn't gt anything done. Ended up returning that POS.

 

[dspdoc]

Nobody is buying MacOS for $200. And if they did, that’s one less Mac sold, and apple makes more than $200 profit margins from macs.

I have noticed by reading your posts that you really like to speak for other people. And for the 3rd time you completely glazed over the point I made that people that build a hack Mac are not going to buy a Mac anyway. I give up though. You win. You're obviously the type that thinks they are always right. Know it all I believe it's called. So good luck with that!

 

[cmaier]

"No way" was my exact thought after spending some time with a MacBook Pro with butterfly keyboard. I just couldn't gt anything done. Ended up returning that POS.

Up until the shelter-in-place 90% of the time i used my external Bluetooth keyboard. Made it bearable. For the last three months it’s been stuck in my office.

 

[TheBSDGuy]

....Bitcoin...Yeah, that's the ticket!!!

 

[cmaier]

I have noticed by reading your posts that you really like to speak for other people. And for the 3rd time you completely glazed over the point I made that people that build a hack Mac are not going to buy a Mac anyway. I give up though. You win. You're obviously the type that thinks they are always right. Know it all I believe it's called. So good luck with that!

Someone who builds a hackintosh is also not going to pay $200 for a copy of the OS.

(Hilariously you accuse me of speaking for other people, then you speak for “people that build a hack mac”)

 

[baryon]

I don't know if the restriction to only allow macOS to be installed on Macs can be justified as anything other than "so that we can sell more Macs" anymore. There was a time when you could get low end, mid range, and high end Macs and the price was on-par with PCs, so it was sort of justified. But now you can only get high-end or ultra high-end Macs, certainly not something the average person can afford. A computer should not be a luxury item, and if you're poor you should still be able to buy one. Having Windows as your only reasonable option is pretty sad. Even underpowered Macs like the Mac Mini or the MacBook Air are priced so high that it makes no sense other than as a fashion item. Buying them used because "Macs hold their value" doesn't make sense anymore due to all used Macbooks having a butterfly keyboard or just generally being impossible to repair or upgrade. Basically a freelancer who may or may not have income any given month but requires professional equipment can hardly justify a Mac anymore, when it used to be the go-to for creative freelancers.

 

[lunarworks]

Some guy must have a fetish for getting sued into oblivion.

 

[konqerror]

Instead of learning "address multiple price points and be agile with updates", Apple learned "hold your tech stack closely and make mostly premium products".

Like the PC market. Let's see what happened:

-Microsoft couldn't make any money selling software, so they became a cloud services provider, forcing everybody to subscribe to their products with bundled cloud services.

-Dell had to receive a bailout by Michael Dell and private equity, turning the company private. They realized they couldn't go on selling computers and had to switch to an enterprise services firm, buying EMC, VMWare and others.

-HP was only supported by selling printer ink. The parts of the company that couldn't be supported by the printer business was jettisoned (Agilent, Keysight, Avago, HP Enterprise).

-IBM gave up and sold their whole operation to the Chinese.

 

[dspdoc]

Someone who builds a hackintosh is also not going to pay $200 for a copy of the OS.

(Hilariously you accuse me of speaking for other people, then you speak for “people that build a hack mac”)

I happen to know many people of the Hackintosh mindset and their whole point is to NOT spend the money on Mac hardware. I am sure they'd willingly buy an open version of macOS to avoid certain pitfalls. It's called common sense.

 

[Schnegg]

In before Tim Cook releases the hounds...

 

[furqan8421]

I dont see the target market

Professionals obviously cant be purchasing this for work because there’s a chance it stops working for whatever reason and there’s no way to send it for repairs as I can tell

People who like to tinker to the point that they want a hackintosh are better off assembling something on their own

 

[cmaier]

I don't know if the restriction to only allow macOS to be installed on Macs can be justified as anything other than "so that we can sell more Macs" anymore. There was a time when you could get low end, mid range, and high end Macs and the price was on-par with PCs, so it was sort of justified. But now you can only get high-end or ultra high-end Macs, certainly not something the average person can afford. A computer should not be a luxury item, and if you're poor you should still be able to buy one. Having Windows as your only reasonable option is pretty sad. Even underpowered Macs like the Mac Mini or the MacBook Air are priced so high that it makes no sense other than as a fashion item. Buying them used because "Macs hold their value" doesn't make sense anymore due to all used Macbooks having a butterfly keyboard or just generally being impossible to repair or upgrade. Basically a freelancer who may or may not have income any given month but requires professional equipment can hardly justify a Mac anymore, when it used to be the go-to for creative freelancers.

So does that mean that BMW has to sell cars at affordable prices? Aren’t people entitled to fine german engineering?

 

[dspdoc]

I dont see the target market

Professionals obviously cant be purchasing this for work because there’s a chance it stops working for whatever reason and there’s no way to send it for repairs as I can tell

People who like to tinker to the point that they want a hackintosh are better off assembling something on their own

Totally agree! Most venturing down this path are going to build it themselves.

 

[JoelTheSuperior]

Concerning that they're selling hackintoshes with AMD processors for commercial use.

I use an AMD processor and it's fantastic, but hackintoshing on AMD isn't a fun experience - a lot of apps don't work without modifications because they expect Intel-specific instructions to be present. No amount of OpenCore magic can fix that.

In my testing, Adobe software, Cubase and REAPER all crashed at launch. I'm sure other software is affected as well.

Parallels and VMware won't work because they expect to use the Apple virtualisation framework, which expects Intel VTx to exist (which of course it doesn't). The same is true for Docker.

Would add as well that, whilst I wasn't able to confirm this myself, I've heard reports of software having poor performance compared to what you'd get on an Intel hackintosh. Games run particularly poorly (much worse than they would on the equivalent Intel hackintosh).

AMD processors are fantastic, but they're a terrible choice for a hackintosh.

I would add as well that I'd be amazed if this website doesn't turn out to be an outright scam - no company information whatsoever, no indication of where they're based and only accepting bitcoin for payment is suspicious as hell. Honestly I'm amazed that MacRumors would stoop so low as to give them the publicity.

 

[jinnj]

Maybe this company knows something we don't. Maybe Apple is going to make an announcement at WWDC that it is opening its EULA to allow people to buy their OS and install it on anything they like. That would be awesome and smart on Apple's part.

No it wouldn't! Do you how ****** these clones would be? Apple would get judged by the worst clone out there. Ask MS Store employees how they handled Tech Support for a OEM laptop coming into their store. "Sorry you need to call the maker" "Its Windows!"

 

[konqerror]

I happen to know many people of the Hackintosh mindset and their whole point is to NOT spend the money on Mac hardware. I am sure they'd willingly buy an open version of macOS to avoid certain pitfalls. It's called common sense.

Yeah, how many of those people paid $140 for a copy of Windows 10?

 

[Naaaaak]

Why should they is there question. They seem to be doing well without it.

Success hides problems.

 

[cmaier]

Success hides problems.

Success also hides even more success.

 

[dspdoc]

No it wouldn't! Do you how ****** these clones would be? Apple would get judged by the worst clone out there. Ask MS Store employees how they handled Tech Support for a OEM laptop coming into their store. "Sorry you need to call the maker" "Its Windows!"

If someone is stupid enough to judge Apple over a hack containing ZERO Apple components then that is on them. It certainly wouldn't tarnish Apple's rep. As a matter of fact it might actually backfire and help Apple. Someone might get fed up and realize they need to buy the real thing. Then they've paid Apple twice LOL. Who knows...? I will say it again. I am not a proponent of Hackintoshing.

 

[Aftermath747]

Crush them.