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'OpenCore Computer' Launches Commercial Hackintosh in Violation of Apple's macOS Licensing Agreement [Updated]

Zdigital2015 said:
The Robin Hood defense won’t stand up in a court of law. No one is forced to buy a Mac and Apple can sell them for whatever they think the free market will bear. If people are still buying Macs at the current prices, then Apple has every right to sell them at that price and not be harassed about it.
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Court of law? I never implied it's illegal for them to do so. But that doesn't mean there can't be discussion about it. Also, I'm not harassing Apple, no need to defend them.
 
rp2011 said:
i guess custom ARM chips would make possible new Macs un-clone-able.
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It’s just going to make the platform more black mirrory. “I LOvE My MACINtOSH COMPUTRR. Why would I want to run unapproved software? Those people are baaaaaaaaad :D”
 
Korican100 said:
There should be no one supporting this. One of the factors in Apple's pricing is the included software. For them to be dumping it in their "hackintosh" and selling it is basically like Netflix streaming Warner Bros movies without licensing.
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So for a $10,000 Mac Pro, it's $3,333 for the hardware, and $6,667 for the macOS???
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JoelTheSuperior said:
Concerning that they're selling hackintoshes with AMD processors for commercial use.

I use an AMD processor and it's fantastic, but hackintoshing on AMD isn't a fun experience - a lot of apps don't work without modifications because they expect Intel-specific instructions to be present. No amount of OpenCore magic can fix that.

In my testing, Adobe software, Cubase and REAPER all crashed at launch. I'm sure other software is affected as well.

Parallels and VMware won't work because they expect to use the Apple virtualisation framework, which expects Intel VTx to exist (which of course it doesn't). The same is true for Docker.

Would add as well that, whilst I wasn't able to confirm this myself, I've heard reports of software having poor performance compared to what you'd get on an Intel hackintosh. Games run particularly poorly (much worse than they would on the equivalent Intel hackintosh).

AMD processors are fantastic, but they're a terrible choice for a hackintosh.

I would add as well that I'd be amazed if this website doesn't turn out to be an outright scam - no company information whatsoever, no indication of where they're based and only accepting bitcoin for payment is suspicious as hell. Honestly I'm amazed that MacRumors would stoop so low as to give them the publicity.
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Yes, and their escrow agreement is that as soon as they can supply you with a tracking number, not when the goods arrive, you have to release the payment. Ha ha, you're gonna love your new empty tower case :D
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high heaven said:
Why can't Apple make a normal desktop around $3000? It shouldn't be a problem.

citysnaps said:
Apple does.
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No it doesn't. A normal one is in a tower case that you can upgrade and add parts to.
 
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jdiamond said:
Main point is I'm not defending the developers who did this. But there's nothing we as users can do about it, and it afflicted like 90% of all Mac software until a year or so ago. No software that's been out of development for a year can be revived - the cost would be as bad as porting to a new platform.

Apple should at the very least allow third parties to write emulators for them until suitable new software can take their places.
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The solution already exists, and has existed for some time. It's called "virtualization", via vmware, etc. (with open source options, as well). Apple's EULA does not forbid running older versions on MacOS virtualized on Mac hardware, so all you need to do is run Mojave, or any MacOS that supports 32-bit apps, in a VM.
 
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as well as anything else, it's not exactly a good looking thing is it?

this looks like a safe
 
Hackintoshes created by private users are a whole different ball game than computers being sold as hackingtoshes created by a company. This practice is clearly not legal on many grounds and Apple will win if they bring suit to stop it. In terms of damages, it will be a pyrrhic victory because if payments are made in bitcoin as stated in the article, payments can never be traced or recovered by Apple. Apple likely will only be able to stop the practice through an injunction.
 
minifridge1138 said:
It would be one thing if a company was selling computers without an OS and advertised it as "100% Hackintosh Capable". But to actually include MacOS is just begging for Apple's lawyers to notice you.

Also, a site that says "just send us some bitcoin and we'll mail you a computer" sets of my Scam Detector pretty fast.
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Yeah, I mean that kinda sums it all up right?

”Please send us money in deposit or paid in full, and you get computer. Please use transaction system that makes the transfer of money trace free.“
 
B4U said:
Honest question, is the iMac abnormal? 😨
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Yes, here's why.

1. iMac's cooling system is terrible. This is the limitation of all AIO desktops and yet Apple put both desktop-grade CPU and GPU. Do you really think iMac will perform better than a normal desktop with same parts and proper coolers? You probably need to check the size of the CPU and GPU cooler, especially for the best performance. It's not just Intel and AMD's fault. Apple made a crappy cooling system. I already dont expect too much about the whole new iMac.

2. HDD in 2020? Seriously? iMac still using a SATA based HDD. Using an HDD is already a joke and yet they've been using it since 2012.

3. No PCIe slots. Use TB3? That's a joke and using TB3 is not even near PCIe 3.0's bandwidth.

And more... AIO desktop itself is not popular anyway.
 
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I really don’t understand why they don’t just build 100% MacOS compatible systems and ship them with Linux, but strongly hint that if you so happened to try installing MacOS that it’d go smoother than sourcing your own build.
 
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I am Mac user since 1996. will stil be. But I am going to build a Hackintosh because apple doesn't provide me the machine I want. I need a headless computer as I move a lot for long stays. If only apple made a Mini with discrete GPU I wouldn't consider a Hackintosh. It could be twice or triple as thick. The Mac Pro is way over budget for many and is not really portable.
Apple could as well build an eGPU with a mobile chip version in a case of the mini size for all that have to live with the crapy graphics provided on many Macs.
 
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high heaven said:
Yes, here's why.

1. iMac's cooling system is terrible. This is the limitation of all AIO desktops and yet Apple put both desktop-grade CPU and GPU. Do you really think iMac will perform better than a normal desktop with same parts and proper coolers? You probably need to check the size of the CPU and GPU cooler, especially for the best performance. It's not just Intel and AMD's fault. Apple made a crappy cooling system. I already dont expect too much about the whole new iMac.

2. HDD in 2020? Seriously? iMac still using a SATA based HDD. Using an HDD is already a joke and yet they've been using it since 2012.

3. No PCIe slots. Use TB3? That's a joke and using TB3 is not even near PCIe 3.0's bandwidth.

And more... AIO desktop itself is not popular anyway.
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As to number 1: hopefully that changes at WWDC

Number 2: see number 1

Number 3: Mac Pro has PCIe 3.

AIOs are great. I had to help my neighbor find (hard to do these days), then hook up, then configure a web cam so she could Zoom during lockdown. With an iMac it's ready out of the box. BTW there are some good looking PC all in ones at Best Buy if that's your thing.

And go look YouTube videos from NASA, Lawrence Livermore, and individual scientific presenters. Whole lotta iMacs on the desks. 😎
 
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derbothaus said:
It was great when Apple was on life support and 1% market share.
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The only trouble was it didn't increase Mac OS market share, it just ate into Apple's market share, so it was abandoned. Ive always been curious about Hackintoshes. Ive built few and learnt all about kexts, etc. Just a bit of fun but Id never want one for my main workstation. I really wish Apple would've made Mac OS available off the shelf, supported a subset of motherboards, CPUs and graphic cards so we would all build our own Macs. But I suppose that would not have been the best financial decision for Apple.
 
markaceto said:
I'm down to three, listed by priority:
  1. Bento: another great app that Apple killed
    • I can export as CSV, import into FileMaker, Tap Forms, Records, Airtable, Ninox... or worst case scenario, Excel or Sheets, and then do a full week's worth of tinkering, so I'm debating if it would make more sense to just open it in a virtual machine.
  2. FastTrack Schedule 10: they have a 64-bit beta but are battling Catalina bugs to ship the release
  3. VW_Keyboard-Mac v2: not a must-have dealbreaker by any means
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BENTO was a great app, Filemaker Light.

Don't even get me started on killing HyperCard...
 
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matrixv said:
I have noticed by reading your posts that you really like to speak for other people. And for the 3rd time you completely glazed over the point I made that people that build a hack Mac are not going to buy a Mac anyway. I give up though. You win. You're obviously the type that thinks they are always right. Know it all I believe it's called. So good luck with that!
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I would guess most people who build a Hackintosh would balk at paying for Mac OS when they can get it for free, even if Apple sold copies. M<y guess the whinging would be:
"$XX for something Apple gives away to mac Users. What a ripoff..."
"What do you mean they won't support the Magna Untra 20000 Graphics card? I paid fop rMacOS and they should support me."
"The EU should investigate Apple for anti-competitive behavior becasue they force me to buy Mac OS but give it away to Mac users..."
 
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