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OS X 10.3.9 7W82 seeded to developers
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Krevnik
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ipedro said:
I would have to disagree with this, especially since Jobs' claims are more public than speculation about Tiger being the masterpiece. (The claim was that Darwin would last for ten years) While I don't doubt Apple does have an eye towards the future, there is still a lot of cool stuff that can be done using Darwin. Another 6 years worth. 😉
i agree. i think we'll see x's for at least the rest of the century. there's no reason to have a complete interface change any time soon. which is what i think an OS 11 or XI would have to be; a complete interface change.
My little interjection
Just to calm worries that this update would slowdown a tiger release (if in fact one is pending), as I understand it Apple has 2 OS teams. They switch off on developing the major releases.
So there is one OS team working on Panther, caring for it from development to it's last update.
At the same time that's happening, there is another OS team working on Tiger, plotting where its going. Once it's released that team will care for it till it's last update.
At the same time that Tiger is roaming about, the team that worked on Panther will be busy developing 10.5 (my bet is lion 😛)
They just go back and forth back and forth competing & trying to one-up each other on the grander of each release. It kinda goes along with Apple's "We're competing with Apple" philosophy, although lately as they have realized that the strategy is throwing them ahead of companies outside apple... you see those new little jabs like "introducing longhorn" 😎
So the team that gives you Tiger, was the team that brought you 10.2
I'm not sure if this was always the case though, 'cus at least I think a jump from 9 to 10 would take the attention of both teams... but whooooo knows I'm just a happy customer. No worries about delays, it's not like Microsoft where an update to XP is so necessary it demands the attention of everyone who can code within the company. (ahhh! I know it's not the same thing, please don't flame me... I tried to be good & not throw any punches... if that was offensive to anyone, sorry it was just tempting)
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Just to calm worries that this update would slowdown a tiger release (if in fact one is pending), as I understand it Apple has 2 OS teams. They switch off on developing the major releases.
So there is one OS team working on Panther, caring for it from development to it's last update.
At the same time that's happening, there is another OS team working on Tiger, plotting where its going. Once it's released that team will care for it till it's last update.
At the same time that Tiger is roaming about, the team that worked on Panther will be busy developing 10.5 (my bet is lion 😛)
They just go back and forth back and forth competing & trying to one-up each other on the grander of each release. It kinda goes along with Apple's "We're competing with Apple" philosophy, although lately as they have realized that the strategy is throwing them ahead of companies outside apple... you see those new little jabs like "introducing longhorn" 😎
So the team that gives you Tiger, was the team that brought you 10.2
I'm not sure if this was always the case though, 'cus at least I think a jump from 9 to 10 would take the attention of both teams... but whooooo knows I'm just a happy customer. No worries about delays, it's not like Microsoft where an update to XP is so necessary it demands the attention of everyone who can code within the company. (ahhh! I know it's not the same thing, please don't flame me... I tried to be good & not throw any punches... if that was offensive to anyone, sorry it was just tempting)
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Another small interjection
ok everyone is doing it... so being a teenager in high school I'm very suseptable to peer pressure 😛
My take on the bloody war of 10.3.10 vs blablabla no that doesn't make sense vs whatever, is that 10.3.9 will be the last update to Panther for this very reason. Apple tries to be simplistic. 10.3.10 would confuse some people out there. I had trouble with it at first, until someone explained the difference between math and version numbers. 10.3.9.1 is getting a little extreme on the complexity for Apple. I mean this isn't a version number for Microsoft's windows version of Internet Explorer (Gosh you have numbers letters everything! Something to satisfy everyone I suppose). My bet is that Apple will test this 10.3.9 update, test it long, test it hard. They will make it rock solid on usability. They'll keep testing it hard even after it's released. If they discover something that isn't acceptable in that update I would guess they would pull the update as quickly as possible and re-release it as 10.3.9. Obviously without that last ".". That was a period. chill 😛
Remember it just has to be stable and usable. Their real star is now "10.3.9 is usable... but looks what you can do with Apple Mac OSX 10.4 Tiger!"
And as always don't flame or shoot me please... I try my best to put lots of thought into my post 🙁
ok everyone is doing it... so being a teenager in high school I'm very suseptable to peer pressure 😛
My take on the bloody war of 10.3.10 vs blablabla no that doesn't make sense vs whatever, is that 10.3.9 will be the last update to Panther for this very reason. Apple tries to be simplistic. 10.3.10 would confuse some people out there. I had trouble with it at first, until someone explained the difference between math and version numbers. 10.3.9.1 is getting a little extreme on the complexity for Apple. I mean this isn't a version number for Microsoft's windows version of Internet Explorer (Gosh you have numbers letters everything! Something to satisfy everyone I suppose). My bet is that Apple will test this 10.3.9 update, test it long, test it hard. They will make it rock solid on usability. They'll keep testing it hard even after it's released. If they discover something that isn't acceptable in that update I would guess they would pull the update as quickly as possible and re-release it as 10.3.9. Obviously without that last ".". That was a period. chill 😛
Remember it just has to be stable and usable. Their real star is now "10.3.9 is usable... but looks what you can do with Apple Mac OSX 10.4 Tiger!"
And as always don't flame or shoot me please... I try my best to put lots of thought into my post 🙁
wrldwzrd89
macrumors G5
theory4themusic:
Don't worry about that. Both of your posts are good, and would probably get moderated Interesting or Insightful if this was Slashdot.
The "theory" you state about Apple having two OS development teams happens to be the same "theory" I believe in! How about that...
I think you may very well be right as far as 10.3.9 goes. Apple would hate to confuse its users if it doesn't have to. However, the time between Panther and Tiger is, according to Apple, going to be shorter than the time between Tiger and 10.5...so we may very well see a 10.4.10 and beyond.
Don't worry about that. Both of your posts are good, and would probably get moderated Interesting or Insightful if this was Slashdot.
The "theory" you state about Apple having two OS development teams happens to be the same "theory" I believe in! How about that...
I think you may very well be right as far as 10.3.9 goes. Apple would hate to confuse its users if it doesn't have to. However, the time between Panther and Tiger is, according to Apple, going to be shorter than the time between Tiger and 10.5...so we may very well see a 10.4.10 and beyond.
jayscheuerle
macrumors 68020
musiclover137 said:
Heck, Mac OS 9 and OSX didn't have a complete interface change. Those (and even all versions of Windows) continue to use the same basic desktop metaphor...
Here's hoping that Apple's next big jump will be more of a conceptual/metaphorical leap than just an underpinnings change.
And no, I have no idea what this would be like... 😀
Toe
macrumors 65816
A long time ago (like around when the first PowerMacs were coming out), Apple put out a video of their vision of the future of computing. I haven't seen it for a long time, but this is what I remember... I may have some details wrong, but the overall concept is right...jayscheuerle said:
A guy walks into his home office and opens a small book-shaped PDA, about the size of a Palm (with a side hinge, so it opens like a book). It then (after giving the original Mac+ startup chime, of course 🙂 ) starts talking to him as he wanders around the room.
"Good morning, Dr. So-and-So. Your mother called at eight, and I told her you were out but would probably be available soon. You have no appointments this morning. You are giving a lecture this afternoon on deforestation at such and such a place."
The guy then starts preparing for his presentation, effectively doing complex web searches by asking vague questions of his Mac, which then figures out the best answer. Then he says something like, "There was a paper in such-and-such a journal a few years ago comparing Amazon deforestation rates to global temperature changes." His Mac identifies the paper and author (politley correcting him, because it was in a different but similar journal), to which the guy then says, "Call her" (referring to the author of the paper). His Mac says she is on the phone but it left her a message to call him back. He then starts instructing his Mac to extract information from his web searches and extrapolate trend graphs from it, which it displays on his big-screen TV on the other side of the room. While he's doing that, his Mac says that that author is now available and on the phone. He tells it to put her on, and her image appears on his TV. When he gets off the phone, his Mac informs him that his mother called again and the Mac told her he'd return her call.
It goes on like that for a bit.
Sounds like a nice interface to me!
😀 😎 😀
jayscheuerle
macrumors 68020
I hope 10.3 goes past 10.3.9 just to quiet some of these silly 10.3.10/10.3.9.1 threads... Because I forgot to care about the version # of the software I'm running as long as it works...
Where version numbers come from
Best generalized explanation I've ever found:
http://www.perforce.com/perforce/life.html
Begin somewhat down the page at:
"The Perforce Reference Life-Cycle Model"
Yes, exactly.dzavitz said:
Best generalized explanation I've ever found:
http://www.perforce.com/perforce/life.html
Begin somewhat down the page at:
"The Perforce Reference Life-Cycle Model"
jayscheuerle
macrumors 68020
ASP272 said:
You realize that's for the combo update? (every updated feature/reliability improvement since 10.3.0)
OS X 10.3.9 7W82 seeded to developers
I am now in my mid forties. My very first computer was a Texas Instruments TI 99 4a or something like that. My next computer (1988) was a Macintosh Plus. My wife at the time was called a Mac Widow by her friends. I would stay awake all night just trying to figure the Mac and OS 6. Oh yeah... the font DA Mover. Oh what memories I have. And now my point... I am a 100% Mac guy. PC's, Windows, Bill Gates, Redmond Washington can kiss my *%#@. Long live Apple, the Mac and whatever OS they come up with. I will buy it and I will use it.... Tiger, Cheetah, Zebra, Pantera, whatever they name it. I will die with a Mac w/latest OS installed in my grave with me. But I patiently wait for 10.4 so I can iChat/iSight and see my young daughter better with the new H264 abilities. She lives in Phoenix. Me in Los Angeles. Apple has made it possible that I can still be a part of my daughters life 600 miles away.
Ben
I am now in my mid forties. My very first computer was a Texas Instruments TI 99 4a or something like that. My next computer (1988) was a Macintosh Plus. My wife at the time was called a Mac Widow by her friends. I would stay awake all night just trying to figure the Mac and OS 6. Oh yeah... the font DA Mover. Oh what memories I have. And now my point... I am a 100% Mac guy. PC's, Windows, Bill Gates, Redmond Washington can kiss my *%#@. Long live Apple, the Mac and whatever OS they come up with. I will buy it and I will use it.... Tiger, Cheetah, Zebra, Pantera, whatever they name it. I will die with a Mac w/latest OS installed in my grave with me. But I patiently wait for 10.4 so I can iChat/iSight and see my young daughter better with the new H264 abilities. She lives in Phoenix. Me in Los Angeles. Apple has made it possible that I can still be a part of my daughters life 600 miles away.
Ben
jayscheuerle
macrumors 68020
pubwvj said:
And you use a Mac? 🙄
Sure, bloodletting, lobotomies, propellor planes, steam engines, slavery, b&w tv, AM radio, DOS, Walkmans, 45s, videotapes and phrenology all worked "great" too at some point in history.
To think the best has been found is disheartening. The desktop metaphor isn't like the lever, a basic, great tool. Considering how young GUI-based computing is, the chance that we've stumbled upon the perfect metaphor with our first try is fairly low.
daveL
macrumors 68020
I have to agree, although once people (in general) find a problem solution acceptable, workable (which does not mean great, e.g. Windows), they tend to look no further; they get "comfortable". This leads to a resistance to change on the part of the user. Most paradigm shifts occur when a new generation of users experience a fresh approach to a problem, unencumbered by the "old way". Being an old fart, I find a lot of new technology interesting, but not necessarily compelling for myself, personally. One great example is the mobile phone. Besides the fact that the technology is *still* spotty, at least here in the states, I frankly don't want to me *that* connected; a slave to everyone with my cell phone number. Sure, there are times when it can be a real life saver, literally, but in a work context, it greatly reduces your control over your personal time and priorities. If you tell to simply turn it off, I'll say that doing so in some work environments results in being labeled as "not on the team" and such.jayscheuerle said:
Anyway ...
Toe
macrumors 65816
Thank you!! I had no idea that was still available. Seems like my recollection had most of the details wrong, but still had the general idea.Tulse said:
Can you believe Apple came up with this in 1987? That's five or six years (ages in computer-think) before the web was really alive. And notice that they imply that this is happening around 2010. Not that bad of a prediction, if you ask me.
If you haven't seen this yet, I strongly encourage any Mac enthusiast to watch this video. It shows how forward-thinking Apple is, and how great computers could be... once we get them smart enough, and get ourselves out of this silly type&print paradigm (which is finally being killed by the maturity of the web).
wrldwzrd89
macrumors G5
I agree. If you can bear the 61.8 MB download, watch the video. It really shows what Apple has in mind for the future of the Mac OS and Macs in general.Toe said:
COMPRESSOR!!
Does anyone who got the 10.3.9 seed know if it fixes the nefarious "Unable to connect to background processes" KNOWN BUG! It involves a port conflict and/or an issue with the Shake Qmaster background process system. It renders Compressor completely useless.
I have done every Terminal hack I can find online, as well as a complete OS X install, complete FCP4HD/DVDSP installs, blah, blah, blah...
I went to the Apple Store in Oakbrook, IL. The "Genius" at the Genius Bar said I was already further ahead in the problem than he could go. 800-SOS-APPL only offers the same instructions as the Apple Knowledge Base document on the issue. The "workaround" is to use QT instead of Compressor--but I use some Compressor-only features (like input geometry adjustments, etc) and I LIKE the program--when the BLASTED thing works!!
It SUCKS that two $1,000 programs (FCP/DVDSP) do not work to spec.
Please... Someone tell me that 10.3.9 fixes this...?!
Does anyone who got the 10.3.9 seed know if it fixes the nefarious "Unable to connect to background processes" KNOWN BUG! It involves a port conflict and/or an issue with the Shake Qmaster background process system. It renders Compressor completely useless.
I have done every Terminal hack I can find online, as well as a complete OS X install, complete FCP4HD/DVDSP installs, blah, blah, blah...
I went to the Apple Store in Oakbrook, IL. The "Genius" at the Genius Bar said I was already further ahead in the problem than he could go. 800-SOS-APPL only offers the same instructions as the Apple Knowledge Base document on the issue. The "workaround" is to use QT instead of Compressor--but I use some Compressor-only features (like input geometry adjustments, etc) and I LIKE the program--when the BLASTED thing works!!
It SUCKS that two $1,000 programs (FCP/DVDSP) do not work to spec.
Please... Someone tell me that 10.3.9 fixes this...?!