OS X 10.3.9 7W82 seeded to developers

[tny]

When Tiger is released, I want to do a clean install. Problem is that I have never done it. I've always done an Archive + install.

When I do a clean install using the Tiger Upgrade disks, do I need to install OSX 10.2 first, upgrade 10.2 up until 10.2.8, then use my 10.3 Panther Upgrade disks to update Jaguar to Panther 10.3, use Apple's website to upgrade to OS 10.3.9, and then use the new Tiger Upgrade disks to get Tiger?

Or maybe there's an easier way? Could I just install Tiger using the disks that come out of the box, or maybe install Jaguar on my system and use my new Tiger disk to update to 10.4 directly?

The $130 Tiger disk will be a full version: so you won't have to install any earlier versions. AFAIK, the only time you get an update disk is if you buy a computer in the few weeks before release (e.g., everyone with a G5 got Panther, even if they bought their computer before it came out).

 

[tny]

Huh? You mean 10.3.9.1, not 10.3.10 which would be 10.4.0, or else you have to notate as 10.3.09, which it is not, since .09 has moved decimal point so it is fractional 9/100 point, which it is not. So therefore, 10.3.9.1 is next in line or they can't undate to 10.4.0.1 without confusing supporters of 10.3.9.1 or 10.3.10.

The periods indicate the boundary between "digits" in a non-decimal number being represented with decimal glyphs. (This may not be a conscious thing on the part of whoever originally came up with this versioning standard, but that is the effect). Another way to do it would be hex, A3A would be 10.3.10. Look at your IP address some time - what comes after 10.0.1.9? 10.0.1.10. What comes after 10.0.1.255? 10.0.2.0.

 

[burntoutjoy]

Another way to do it would be hex, A3A would be 10.3.10. Look at your IP address some time - what comes after 10.0.1.9? 10.0.1.10. What comes after 10.0.1.255? 10.0.2.0.

Don't confuse the poor people, they're having trouble understanding this simple concept as it is.

As has been explained many times before, the dots are between separate integers indicating the major, minor, and 'point release' numbers. They aren't decimal points, therefore they don't follow normal mathematical rules. If you think they do, please show me a decimal number with more than one decimal point. The logical version after 10.3.9 is 10.3.10, then 10.3.11 and so on. Jesus Christ.

 

[pubwvj]

10.3.10=10.3.1 NOT LOGICAL.

You're wrong on two points:

1) 10.3.10 = 10.3.10 and does not equal 10.3.1
The problem is you're restricting yourself to a certain system of notation without realizing the rest of the programming universe uses something slightly different which has confused you.

2) Logic is the the process or study of following a set of rules of reasoning. You are applying one set of rules (the wrong set) and getting the wrong conclusion. The person who said 10.3.10 is applying another set of rules (the right set) and getting the right conclusion. The person you berated is being logical.

However, all that said, you did press the keys on your keyboard very nicely and we'll give you one point for that. 🙂

 

[maya]

For the love of not this argument again. 10.3.9 then 10.4 🙄

Come on people this has been explained several times, get it into your thick skulls already. 😉 🙂

 

[pubwvj]

When Tiger is released, I want to do a clean install. Problem is that I have never done it. I've always done an Archive + install.

With each major upgrade I do a clean install. Here's what I do:

0) I backup using Carbon Copy Cloner.
1) I reformat an extra drives which becomes my "new drive".
2) I do a clean install onto that new drive.
3) I copy over the files I want from my existing drive.
4) I use it for a while (weeks) to make sure everything works fine.
5) I similarly update the rest of our machines if everything is okay.

 

[clarkcox3]

10.3.10=10.3.1 NOT LOGICAL.

That's not how version numbers work. There is nothing illogical about 10.3.10 or 10.3.11 or 10.3.1234. The version number is not a decimal number, it is three numbers separated by a "." character.

 

[reykjavik]

This could end up being an outstanding update. Provided everything works.

how about an iphoto update that adds more cameras to the RAW list?!?

 

[the_proton]

Yawn. Lets copy the 10.3.8 combo updater release notes and see how many people get suckered in.

http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macosxupdate1038combo.html

Looks like a lot.

 

[Toe]

Um... is this 10.3.8?

Hey folks, instead of discussing whether or not this is a combo update, etc., did anyone think to look at Apple's site?

The 10.3.8 Combo Updater Page has an almost identical list to the one in this "rumor."

So... is there a 10.3.9, and if so, is anything different?

Here's the 10.3.8 list:
- network volumes are now available in the Finder sidebar and Desktop for convenient access
- improved file sharing and directory services for Mac (AFP), UNIX (NFS), PC (SMB/CIFS), PPTP, and wireless networks
- improved support for NTFS formatted volumes
- improved reliability of user logins, mounting of home directories in a networked environment, and launch of network applications
- improved PostScript and USB printing
- improved font management
- improved disc burning and recording functionality
- improved Bluetooth compatibility for Apple Wireless Keyboard and Mouse and Bluetooth phones.
- iPods connected via USB 2.0 are now recognized by iTunes and iSync
- improved Open GL technology and updated ATI and NVIDIA graphics drivers
- updated Address Book, Calculator, Disk Utility, DVD Player, Image Capture, Mail, Preview, Safari, Stickies, and QuickTime applications - improved compatibility for third party applications
- additional support for FireWire and USB devices
- FileVault, FireWire 800 and WebDAV improvements from Update 10.3.1
- previous standalone security updates and Bluetooth Update 1.5.1


Here's the alleged 10.3.9 list:
- network volumes are now available in the Finder sidebar and Desktop for convenient access
- file sharing and directory services reliability for Mac (AFP), UNIX (NFS), PC (SMB/CIFS), PPTP, and wireless networks
- support for NTFS formatted volumes
- reliability of user logins, mounting of home directories in a networked environment, and launch of network applications
- updated PostScript and USB printing
- updated font management
- reliable disc burning and recording functionality
- Bluetooth compatibility for Apple Wireless Keyboard and Mouse and Bluetooth phones.
- iPods connected via USB 2.0 are now recognized by iTunes and iSync
- updated Open GL technology and ATI and NVIDIA graphics drivers
- updated Address Book, Calculator, Disk Utility, DVD Player, Image Capture, Mail, Preview, Safari, Stickies, and QuickTime applications
- compatibility for third party applications and devices
- additional support for FireWire and USB devices
- FileVault, FireWire 800 and WebDAV improvements from Update 10.3.1
- previous standalone security updates and Bluetooth Update 1.5.1

 

[Eric5h5]

Also note that this is the last 10.3.* update-- so of course it's going to be a big/good one.

Says who?

And yes, the next one is 10.3.10. This is not negotiable. Get over it, those of you who need to. Can somebody make a sticky or FAQ or something so this doesn't get discussed every flippin' time....

--Eric

 

[Toe]

Yawn. Lets copy the 10.3.8 combo updater release notes and see how many people get suckered in.

http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macosxupdate1038combo.html

Looks like a lot.

😀 😀

Apparently posted while I was writing the above.

But I pasted in the lists, for the extra lazy.

😀 😀

 

[gekko513]

after 10.3.9 comes 10.3.10 ...

If you didn't already get this, get it into your head that the point is NOT A DECIMAL POINT it's just a number separator, kind of like 10|3|9. There's no such thing as a number with two decimal points.

Please accept this and tell all your friends so that we don't have to go through this for every story of an OS or software update with version numbers approaching 10.

Edit: Ok, maybe I should have flipped over from page 2 to page 3 before pressing reply ... This seems to have been covered.

So ... why no release notes on differences just between 10.3.8 and 10.3.9?

 

[yg17]

Also note that this is the last 10.3.* update-- so of course it's going to be a big/good one.

oh jesus, not this again 🙄

10.3.10
10.3.11
10.3.12
10.3.13


and if Apple really wants to delay Tiger,
10.3.353789529349872356715923456738457210

 

[Mechcozmo]

Could I just install Tiger using the disks that come out of the box, or maybe install Jaguar on my system and use my new Tiger disk to update to 10.4 directly?

Insert Tiger disc. Restart. Hold 'C' key.

10.3.10=10.3.1 NOT LOGICAL.

I think we've been over this enough?

In this case, x.y.z is broken down as such:
x: OS (10)
y: Major release (0=Cheetah, 1=Puma, 2=Jaguar, 3=Panther, 4=Tiger)
z: Minor release (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12, etc)

Perfect description!

 

[Sunrunner]

Hey folks, instead of discussing whether or not this is a combo update, etc., did anyone think to look at Apple's site?

The 10.3.8 Combo Updater Page has an almost identical list to the one in this "rumor."

So... is there a 10.3.9, and if so, is anything different?

Here's the 10.3.8 list:
- network volumes are now available in the Finder sidebar and Desktop for convenient access
- improved file sharing and directory services for Mac (AFP), UNIX (NFS), PC (SMB/CIFS), PPTP, and wireless networks
- improved support for NTFS formatted volumes
- improved reliability of user logins, mounting of home directories in a networked environment, and launch of network applications
- improved PostScript and USB printing
- improved font management
- improved disc burning and recording functionality
- improved Bluetooth compatibility for Apple Wireless Keyboard and Mouse and Bluetooth phones.
- iPods connected via USB 2.0 are now recognized by iTunes and iSync
- improved Open GL technology and updated ATI and NVIDIA graphics drivers
- updated Address Book, Calculator, Disk Utility, DVD Player, Image Capture, Mail, Preview, Safari, Stickies, and QuickTime applications - improved compatibility for third party applications
- additional support for FireWire and USB devices
- FileVault, FireWire 800 and WebDAV improvements from Update 10.3.1
- previous standalone security updates and Bluetooth Update 1.5.1


Here's the alleged 10.3.9 list:
- network volumes are now available in the Finder sidebar and Desktop for convenient access
- file sharing and directory services reliability for Mac (AFP), UNIX (NFS), PC (SMB/CIFS), PPTP, and wireless networks
- support for NTFS formatted volumes
- reliability of user logins, mounting of home directories in a networked environment, and launch of network applications
- updated PostScript and USB printing
- updated font management
- reliable disc burning and recording functionality
- Bluetooth compatibility for Apple Wireless Keyboard and Mouse and Bluetooth phones.
- iPods connected via USB 2.0 are now recognized by iTunes and iSync
- updated Open GL technology and ATI and NVIDIA graphics drivers
- updated Address Book, Calculator, Disk Utility, DVD Player, Image Capture, Mail, Preview, Safari, Stickies, and QuickTime applications
- compatibility for third party applications and devices
- additional support for FireWire and USB devices
- FileVault, FireWire 800 and WebDAV improvements from Update 10.3.1
- previous standalone security updates and Bluetooth Update 1.5.1

Looks to me like you have effectively debunked a rumor. Good job. 😉

 

[wrldwzrd89]

With each major upgrade I do a clean install. Here's what I do:

0) I backup using Carbon Copy Cloner.
1) I reformat an extra drives which becomes my "new drive".
2) I do a clean install onto that new drive.
3) I copy over the files I want from my existing drive.
4) I use it for a while (weeks) to make sure everything works fine.
5) I similarly update the rest of our machines if everything is okay.

Here's my procedure, adapted from yours:

0) I backup using Carbon Copy Cloner.
1) I reformat my internal hard drive.
2) I do a clean install onto that drive.
3) I copy over the files I want from my backup drive.
4) I use it for a while to make sure everything works fine.
5) There is no step 5, because I don't have any other Macs to update (that I own).

 

[aricher]

Also for you users that use .Mac and the iDisk, are you as annoyed as I am about the way that uploads to the public folder work as clumsy as they do.

If I drag a file to my iDisk it exhibits the following behavior...

That drives me NUTS. They really need to improve the speed of .mac file uploading. Yes, a progress bar or estimated time window would be helpful but c'mon already - just increase the speed.

 

[wrldwzrd89]

That drives me NUTS. They really need to improve the speed of .mac file uploading. Yes, a progress bar or estimated time window would be helpful but c'mon already - just increase the speed.

I agree. iDisk upload speeds are pathetic, and the progress indicator is lame. Come on Apple - you're known for great user interfaces. Why did you produce something this bad for a service that has numerous potential uses?

 

[Noiseboy]

prays for 7610 support for iSync

Amen to that brother, but I'm not holding my breath 🙁

 

[NuMan]

Every update to 10.3.9 will be an integral part of 10.4 so this is a direct indication to me that both are winding down the current development cycle and both are near release.

 

[mattster16]

huh?

- iPods connected via USB 2.0 are now recognized by iTunes and iSync

Now the iPod fully supports USB 2.0! 🙂 But it's still slower than FireWire 400... 😉

OS X has supported USB 2.0 with iPods for quite awhile. I found this out when I left my firewire cable in another state and had to borrow a friends USB cable. It's not much slower really, at least not any slower you would notice. The only difference is firewire supposedly charges faster because it supplies more power.

 

[wrldwzrd89]

OS X has supported USB 2.0 with iPods for quite awhile. I found this out when I left my firewire cable in another state and had to borrow a friends USB cable. It's not much slower really, at least not any slower you would notice. The only difference is firewire supposedly charges faster because it supplies more power.

This has already been debunked in previous posts. The update that gave iPods USB support was in Mac OS X 10.3.4. The update list is for the Mac OS X 10.3.9 Combo update. Note to everyone: Please read the entire thread before posting.

 

[Xtremehkr]

I hope when Tiger comes out it does something for Gamers. I don't know if they will ever be happy, but the non stop complaining is so cliched.

I hope Tiger has a programmable alarm clock, that could be used with iTunes or a radio tuner, that would be cool.

 

[wrldwzrd89]

I hope when Tiger comes out it does something for Gamers. I don't know if they will ever be happy, but the non stop complaining is so cliched.

I hope Tiger has a programmable alarm clock, that could be used with iTunes or a radio tuner, that would be cool.

Tiger already has Automator; that gives regular users everything they need to make such an alarm clock and customize it the way they want. I'd consider your second request taken care of already.

As far as your first request goes...who knows outside of Apple/NDAs. I certainly don't.