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The open message at the apple event really said " while others give customers a choice, we at apple tell people what they need"

Maverick is not a new OS, ita an update to X. Its not OS 11. Lets see if apple gives. OS XI away for free in the future. Windows 8 is an OS and its $200. Windows 8.1 is free. There come a time when windows PC owners will be able to download and install a full OS.

Iworks and ilife are now free to new devices not all apple devices. Most likely to convince people to try it since they never once mention the sales numbers for those apps. That's what the extra $70 for the retina mini is for.

ITunes radio. 20 million have tried it. Not active users. It will get the ping treatment by summer time 2014.

Don't take me for anti apple. Own multiple apple devices. Updated to maverick successfully and its nice but the misleading slide show at the event is not a great practice for company that is suppose to be setting the standard.

Speak for yourself I and many of my friends and family use iTunes Radio.
 
Luckily enough I never paid a dime since Snow Leopard.

I got a free OSX Lion from Up To Date programs and Mountain Lion through a Mac replacement I received some months ago.

Now I could jump directly to Maverick for free. Wow, thank you Apple!
 
Upgraded my 2011 iMac from Lion and so far, I really like Mavericks. Notifications is great and I can definitely say it's made me more productive. There's a lot that I really like.

One thing I really do not like though, is how The App Store was implemented. Software Update has now been replaced by the App Store. I get why Apple wanted to do it, but by default, the App Store is set to automatically update all installed apps, not just updates from Apple.

This means that despite the fact that there were some programs I did not want to update, everything I acquired through the App Store was updated in the background without my knowledge. I had to go into the System Preferences for the App Store in order to turn that off.

So now, I have 3-4 apps that I did not want upgraded because they either lost functionality or were more crash-prone. Basically, they're now useless to me. If Apple's going to roll Software Update and the App Store into one, they should at least set the defaults to "Off" so people don't have a nasty surprise. The two are a little too intertwined right now.

Buyer beware.
 
Why are you using Anti-Virus software on your Mac?

I'm new to the Mac world. I bought my Mini in February this year after being a long time windows user. I searched anti virus and found a few different products, and chose Avast as it's what I used on my old Dell and had no issues with.
So far it has picked up a few nasties in email attachments, are you saying I don't need it all? Would be nice to not have it using system resources and still be safe.
 
Luckily enough I never paid a dime since Snow Leopard.

I got a free OSX Lion from Up To Date programs and Mountain Lion through a Mac replacement I received some months ago.

Now I could jump directly to Maverick for free. Wow, thank you Apple!

I got Lion for free, and don't even know why. The charge simply never went through, and I didn't see any reason to complain.

Amazing that Mavericks would have so many people using it less than 24 hours from release when it took me 19 hours to download the thing.

This also seems like a strange point for people to be complaining about older hardware not being supported, since apparently *0* computers that could run 10.8 cannot run 10.9. They dropped *nothing at all.* That they also didn't resume support for anything older isn't exactly startling.
 
absolutely. he understands that free for instance does matter. it might be only $20-30 but still it does.

i see the newest story is microsoft bashing iwork and ipads and im sure everyone here is up in arms but this is what cook, schiller and cue do onstage. "our competitors yada yada yada"

be content with your own product and its quality and that will carry you to success.

It's the nature of competition to say you are better than everyone else, but I think the difference is that Apple never mentioned its competitors by name. It's obvious who they were talking about, but they never actually mentioned them by name. Good comparative advertising, whether it's cars, computers, or home improvement stores works best when it is more subtle and focuses on concepts rather than saying "We are better than BRAND X."

Having said that, Apple's "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC" ads were pretty effective, but they added an element of humor. On top of that, the "PC" guy was somewhat lovable. Viewers "wanted" to like him, but could see that he was in over his head. Whichever marketing company came up with that campaign did a very good job.
 
I'm new to the Mac world. I bought my Mini in February this year after being a long time windows user. I searched anti virus and found a few different products, and chose Avast as it's what I used on my old Dell and had no issues with.
So far it has picked up a few nasties in email attachments, are you saying I don't need it all? Would be nice to not have it using system resources and still be safe.

I have never used Anti-Virus software. You should consider not using any.
 
I'm new to the Mac world. I bought my Mini in February this year after being a long time windows user. I searched anti virus and found a few different products, and chose Avast as it's what I used on my old Dell and had no issues with.
So far it has picked up a few nasties in email attachments, are you saying I don't need it all? Would be nice to not have it using system resources and still be safe.

I can almost guarantee that anything it found was windows malware. It can be nice to keep from accidentally forwarding something to a friend using windows, but it isn't something that you need to worry about using.

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Maverick is not a new OS, ita an update to X. Its not OS 11. Lets see if apple gives. OS XI away for free in the future. Windows 8 is an OS and its $200. Windows 8.1 is free. There come a time when windows PC owners will be able to download and install a full OS.

It is a new OS just as much as Windows was going from XP to Vista or 7 or 8. There will not be an OS 11 for many years if ever. And if you think that all the versions of OS X are one operating system you clearly haven't used many of them,go back and try running one of the earlier ones, while there are many similarities, most everything has been changed between 10.2 when I started using OS X and 10.9. Some upgrades focus more on stability and under the hood improvements and others do more cosmetic changes, Mavericks seems like a decent balance of the two.
 
So far I was able to download the update for one of my macs, earlier yesterday actually (3:00pm ET). But of the other macs still getting a error message. I believe that good for apple, many people downloading the product.

Just copy the installer that finished downloading to the other macs.

Haha, so true! :D I thought it was just me. And those sleeves yesterday, lol. He's like a weird combo: a very geeky ... party animal.

Cue I worry about. Always looks like he put a martini down before walking on stage

I thought the same thing! Definitely looked like he consumed some alcohol and those sleeves just added to the effect. Felt weird watching it. At least he appeared to be having fun.
 
After upgrading to iOS 7, I'm hesitant to install a new OS on any old device. Would mavericks cripple my 2008 Macbook? It was sold with Leopard installed :/

Really don't be afraid, unless of course mission critical software runs on the machine! I'm running Mavericks on a crippled machine right now (dead internal drive) and I must say it is fantastic. It is very much improved for general usage.

By the way iOS 7 had some rough spots but most of them seem to have gone away. At least on iPad 3 they did.
 
I, being one of those holdouts still on SL, am currently on mavericks and enjoying it. Safari does seem snappier because I was playing flash video with much less CPU heat up (~5-10 c).

Just one issue is not understanding how to get rid of "Show top sites" in favorites bar and "favorites bar' in the bookmarks menu.


click on the bookmark top left
 
Well, the current version of Mavericks is clearly not finished. No rational reason to install it now. None whatsoever.

Yes, what rational person wants more performance, and better battery life. Only those without their heads screwed on properly surely!
 
It's the nature of competition to say you are better than everyone else, but I think the difference is that Apple never mentioned its competitors by name. It's obvious who they were talking about, but they never actually mentioned them by name. Good comparative advertising, whether it's cars, computers, or home improvement stores works best when it is more subtle and focuses on concepts rather than saying "We are better than BRAND X."

Having said that, Apple's "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC" ads were pretty effective, but they added an element of humor. On top of that, the "PC" guy was somewhat lovable. Viewers "wanted" to like him, but could see that he was in over his head. Whichever marketing company came up with that campaign did a very good job.

i just find it pedantic and below the so called market leader to not be able to go through keynote highlighting unnamed competitors shortcomings. thats just me.

this is a room full of smart people with interest in this business they know how this features stack up amongst rival products. for instance im painfully aware that google docs for instance dosent come cose to having these cool alignment guides that iwork users probably take for granted.

yes the mac and pc ads were of similar ilk but they had that harmless humor, charm and likeness added to it which cook, schiller, cue etc do not have imo to justify these kind of potshots
 
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…..just under 50% of traffic coming from OS X Mountain Lion and almost all of the remainder split nearly evenly between OS X Lion and OS X Snow Leopard…..

Article Link: OS X Mavericks Adoption Pushing Past 7% in Under 24 Hours

So almost 25% of Macs still run SnowLeopard; though hardly surprising, that is higher than I thought.

Will update my MBA from ML to Mavericks, but I'm happily staying with SnowLeopard on the desktop as long as the updates keep coming.
 
installed mavericks on my mid 2007 first aluminium iMac with a 250gb SSD. It's a freaking bomb. Thanks apple, 6 years and running like on fire.

Those on snow leopard, you people make me laugh. you're like those who still run XP. Memory compression and that geeky thing with processor is worth alone updating.
 
Craig Federighi's OS X demos are great.
Presentation was top notch. i am a fan now.
 
Wow, people are really stretching logic here. It took Apple 24-hours to get to 7.66% of their user base. It took Windows 8 14 months to be on 8.02% of ALL DESKTOPS AND LAPTOPS. There's a huge difference.

Wrong. Windows 8 took 14 month to be on 8.02% of their user-base.
Mac did 7.66% of their user-base in just 24-hours.
yes you can compare as not every desktop or laptop out there is on windows (e.g linux, bsd etc)
 
As usual, Ars has the best review...

What stood out for me, power improvements aside, the interface is still a schizo mess - obvious attempt to strip out all the cutesy (stitched leather) interface elements, yet icons not updated, some apps (game center) not changed at all etc.

And the finder is still a mess and apparently it's now cool to be completely abstract in what an interface element is supposed to do and tool tips is becoming a thing of the past.

Thanks, but I'll stick with Snow Leopard.

Wake me up when 'OS X Jeff Spicoli' comes out...
 
Maverick is not a new OS, ita an update to X. Its not OS 11. Lets see if apple gives. OS XI away for free in the future. Windows 8 is an OS and its $200. Windows 8.1 is free. There come a time when windows PC owners will be able to download and install a full OS.

Don't take me for anti apple. Own multiple apple devices. Updated to maverick successfully and its nice but the misleading slide show at the event is not a great practice for company that is suppose to be setting the standard.

Windows 7, 8, and 8.1 are all built upon the Vista platform. Actually, if you run a Ver command in the command line, you'll see that "Windows 7" is version 6.1, and "Windows 8" is version 6.2. So in that respect, they are not new OS at all, but just updates to Vista.

Arguably, Windows NT 3.1, Windows 95, Windows XP, and Windows Vista are the "New OS" in the Windows era. Everything else was just an update of one of those.
 
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