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OS X Snow Leopard Installation Process Changes Described?

thegoldenmackid said:
True, that would be a lot of inserting discs though...
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Same number of disks as doing a complete clean install (like a new hard drive or something) I think.

I am REALLY hoping that there won't be any verification. I own a family pack license for Leopard and I have no interest in pirating the upgrade, I'd think for most people 29.00 would be better than spending a few hours downloading the disk image.
 
arkmannj said:
Same number of disks as doing a complete clean install (like a new hard drive or something) I think.

I am REALLY hoping that there won't be any verification. I own a family pack license for Leopard and I have no interest in pirating the upgrade, I'd think for most people 29.00 would be better than spending a few hours downloading the disk image.
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Insert Snow Leopard
Eject Snow Leopard
Insert Leopard
Eject Leopard
Insert Snow Leopard
Install

That much?
 
So what's it's looking like is, in order to install Snow Leopard on a machine, that machine has to have either:

1) 10.5 Leopard installed, in which case you can:
a) DEFAULT - upgrade install
b) do an Archive and Install from the DU menu
b) do a clean install from the DU menu

2) 10.6 Snow Leopard already installed, in which case you can:
a) do the default install which is Archive and Install
this will keep you at your current patch level??

b) do a clean install from the DU menu
this will default you back to 10.6


So it's looking like there is no way to take a Mac....with a blank brand new hard drive in it, and install SL without putting Leopard on first (unless maybe they offer a full install disc at a higher price?)

-Kevin
 
I'm curious how re-installing but saving point-upgrades works. Is it really a full re-install, then? (I realize this isn't Windows, :p but what if you're doing it to fix a problem?)

Also, is it true as someone guessed before that "Archive and Install" is basically the default? Othewise, can you still (automatically) do that? The summary written my MacRumors says it's available in Disk Utility with Erase and Install, but the AI quote only mentions the latter.
 
applerocks said:
That said, for the average Mac user, the Leopard-->Snow Leopard transition is a LOT easier than XP or Vista-->Windows 7.
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What do you mean that Vista->7 is not easy? Insert the DVD, click "Install" or "Upgrade", after a while log into Windows 7. I've done it many times, and it isn't a problem. I don't understand your feeling that it's not easy.

By the way - XP-->Win7 is a Tiger-->SnowLeopard transition.
 
kbmb said:
1) 10.5 Leopard installed, in which case you can:
a) do the default install which is Archive and Install
b) do a clean install from the DU menu
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The default is an upgrade, which is different from Archive and Install, so there will be 3 options.
 
jessica. said:
FWIW, Apple charged my card Monday for the up-to-date program copy of SL.

I don't quite like that I can't install on a blank drive though.
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If they charged the card, that means one of two things: Apple is just stupid or SL is coming much sooner than we think.

And we don't know about the blank drive issue yet. Please don't speculate :).
 
thegoldenmackid said:
I would imagine that you could install it. The question is just whether it is going to require a copy of Leopard and depending on whether it needs to be on that drive.
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A part of me wants it to require Leopard to be preinstalled because it's more convenient, another part of me wants it to require you to put in your included restore disc to verify if you are a Leopard or Tiger user. I would like to get rid of these hackintosh users that think they are so smug by violating eula's. The way to do that is to make every customer require to put in their included restore disc to verify being a Leopard user.

And if anyone flames me about the hackintosh crap, just remember, if you are a legit user there's no reason for you to flame me. ;)
 
thegoldenmackid said:
Insert Snow Leopard
Eject Snow Leopard
Insert Leopard
Eject Leopard
Insert Snow Leopard
Install

That much?
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Ya got me :p

let see

Leopard / Snow Leopard install:

1 Insert Leopard Disk
1a Do Install
2 Eject Leopard Disk
3 Insert S Leopeard Disk
3a Do Install
4 Eject SLeopard Disk

* 4 Disk Actions, 2 Installs

Snow Leopard with Verification:
1 Insert S Leopard Disk
2 Eject S Leopard Disk
3 Inset Leopard Disk
3a Verification
4 Eject Leopard Disk
5 Insert S Leopard Disk
5a Do Install
6 Eject S Leopard Disk

* 6 Disk Actions, 1 Install, 1 Verification

It is more disk changes, but I think I'd still prefer it.

Of course My Real preference is:

1 insert S Leopard Disk
1a Do install
2 Eject S Leopard Disk

* 2 Disk Actions, 1 install
 
HLdan said:
A part of me wants it to require Leopard to be preinstalled because it's more convenient, another part of me wants it to require you to put in your included restore disc to verify if you are a Leopard or Tiger user. I would like to get rid of these hackintosh users that think they are so smug by violating eula's. The way to do that is to make every customer require to put in their included restore disc to verify being a Leopard user.

And if anyone flames me about the hackintosh crap, just remember, if you are a legit user there's no reason for you to flame me. ;)
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Do those restore discs include the retail copies? Because it sounds like you were just talking about the grey discs that come with your computer.
 
Eidorian said:
What are the chances of Apple doing that? :rolleyes:
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That was sorta my point earlier on. I cannot imagine that is what is required to put an OS on a clean drive.

dubhe said:
Does anyone know if you will be able to carry over your old Time Machine backups to SL? Be quite handy.
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I would imagine so, that would seem rather stupid not do it. Much better time spent there then on placing Archive & Install in Disk Utility.
 
thegoldenmackid said:
That was sorta my point earlier on. I cannot imagine that is what is required to put an OS on a clean drive.
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Cash money for an installer (probably even a license) that doesn't check for Leopard first.

dubhe said:
Does anyone know if you will be able to carry over your old Time Machine backups to SL? Be quite handy.
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No mention on the changes to Time Machine in the file structure per se. My concern is are Snow Leopard backups compatible with Leopard?
 
Eidorian said:
Cash money for an installer (probably even a license) that doesn't check for Leopard first.
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I doubt they'll change the license; it'll take too long. Who actually reads it anyways?


Eidorian said:
No mention on the changes to Time Machine in the file structure per se. My concern is are Snow Leopard backups compatible with Leopard?
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If you're moving documents and that sort of generic stuff, you should be fine. For restoring a system, that's still up for debate.
 
has no one ever had a leopard upgrade disk ? ?

snow leopard upgrade disk will work the same way the leopard one does.

for those who bought a laptop the same month leopard came out would would of found a leopard upgrade disk in the box or had to apply for one to be sent.

if you have a new hard drive / blank hard drive

when you boot the installation, befor you even get to pick you language it will say you "you can not install this vision of OS X on this computer"

if you have leopard installed on any hard drive connected to the computer

you will be able to run the setup as usual, that means you can do an

1. Upgrade instill
2. Archive install
3. Erse and instill

and have assess to all the normal tools, disk utility, rest master password etc.

This is how apple has done it in the past and will do it in snow leopard.
And also how they have done it in the ADC builds so far, so there wont be any big changes. . . .
 
Jono Hayes said:
if you have leopard installed on the any hard drive connected to the computer

you will be able to run the setup as usual, that means you can do an

1. Upgrade instill
2. Archive install
3. Erse and instill


this is how apple has done it in the past and will do it in snow leopard.

this is also how the ADC build have work so far, so there wont be any big changes. . . .
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Careful what you say on this, I said the same thing and got flamed for not posting "facts".
 
HLdan said:
Careful what you say on this, I said the same thing and got flamed for not posting "facts".
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I'm just as skeptical of them don't worry. ;)

Pictures or it didn't happen is standard right? Probably video in this instance. I mean we all "know" that's what should happen.
 
Considering an Erase and Install is on the schedule for me every summer, these features will help me considerably. I cannot wait!
 
HLdan said:
Careful what you say on this, I said the same thing and got flamed for not posting "facts".
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Haha. i dont see what the big problem is. this is what happen when leopard came out.

people don't get that it isn't just an upgrade.

you just need to have leopard instill on a drive to be eligible for the $29 disk form apple
 
FSMBP said:
I agree, I think the moving of "Erase & Install" is more confusing. Seriously Apple, do people really go to "Erase & Install" think this won't erase their harddrive? If people do that, they have to go out of their way to get to that option so they must know what they're doing.

If not, they deserve it for not reading.
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I worked at a place where there were a couple of idiots who did an 'erase and install' and thought it meant just erasing the operating system but keeping their files. There are idiots everywhere - they make up 80-90% of people in the world.
 
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