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Other phones do NOT have the same issue
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I think it depends on the signal strenghth. I could make the iPhone 4 drop two bars in one location and in another it stayed with full bars. Same as my 3GS.
No. Then he'd have to find something else to go on and on and on and on about. He doesn't even own an iPhone anymore, and he's still here. I fear there may be something missing in his lonely life.
So how do you explain that some people can't get their iPhone 4 to drop bars no matter howthey hold it??
Thanks man, I know its a futile effort. I even tried explaining this in as plain and respectable language as I could. The fumy thing I'm still getting people saying its the same as other phones. It's like they didn't even read what I wrote. At least, lets hope they didn't actually read it...
I think you are probably right. If I was having the problems others were having, I'd just return my phone and get something else. I've used other smartphones. There are some decent ones out there. But I'm not having any issues. So I'll keep it, thanks.
Glad you asked, heres how:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/966802/
Just read the first post, the rest of the thread is similar idiots who just cant comprehend what I'm telling them.
P.S. as further validation of the thread I just posted, many people who never saw the problem before now see it after updating to 4.0.1. This is because the range for the bars is now tighter, so the 20+db drop is more apparent.
I think you are probably right. If I was having the problems others were having, I'd just return my phone and get something else. I've used other smartphones. There are some decent ones out there. But I'm not having any issues. So I'll keep it, thanks.
Me neither. I only noticed the "issue" after reading all the media frenzy and even so I can only reproduce it if I hold it in an unatural way and only in certain locations.
Link doesn't work.
Simple? What makes you think that any of those things would actually work? I'd be willing to bet that all of those things were considered.
It's obvious that #2 would not work because the bottom metal piece is an antenna as well. The FCC has regulations on antenna placement due to radiation concerns which could impact the location of the gap per #3. Who knows what manufacturing and engineering issues #1 could cause. Well, Apple probably does.
I know 1 would work because people have fixed the issue with scotch tape.
Their big meaty hands are still covering the antennae, but scotch tape fixed all. Hmm could that mean...I'm right?
You don't understand. Apple sees people like you as representing less than 1% of their base. They can't keep the device in stock.
Apple does not care about your complaints. They played that silly song at the very beginning of the press conference. It set the tone for the entire message. (Even though we will say we want all our customers to be happy, what they meant is they care about customers that will stay no matter what and those who cannot be mollified should look elsewhere.)
For now, there is no fix beyond what's been discussed. You only have 3 choices, hold it differently, put a cover on it or buy another phone (3GS or another brand).
Apple is selling more phones than they can make. A small vocal minority complaining gives them PR issues which Apple has consistently ignored. They fact Steve had to do this press conference probably annoyed him to no end.
None of what you are trying to express matters to them so there is nothing more to do. If you're not satisfied return it. It could not be more simple. Even if you own iPhone apps and/or are otherwise tied to the iphone platform... Even if you're not listening...
Continuing this discussion is pointless.
Cheers,
This
I'd like to compare buying a cell phone to buying a car. Each one is different and has different pros and cons. Even in the same class of car (or phone) each individual product does things better or worse than its competitors. If a car has a poor turning radius is it the responsibility of the manufacturer to recall all of that car and fix the turning radius? No, if turning radius is important to the individual consumer they choose to buy another car after test driving the first one and finding it to not be satisfactory for their needs, preferences, and particular usage habit.
The exact problem/issue is irrelevant
The only time the manufacturer is required to change their existing product is when there is danger associated with the "problem". Otherwise it is simply a design choice. Companies constantly sacrifice performance in one area for performance in another or design choices. Apple chose to design the phone this way and has gone as far as to make an attempt at placating the whiners with a free case.
Now it is back on us as the consumers:
1) Return the phone and buy something else which better suits your personal needs and preferences
2) Keep your phone because you are satisfied with it
I personally fall under #2. I have had no issues with my phone and am quite happy. You've made it clear that you fall under #1. Good for you. You have voted.
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Well said.
The problem is, most of the regulars here think the sun shines out of Steve Jobs' ass, so if he says there's no problem, there must be no problem. Forget logic, reason, etc. If Jobs speaks, the sheep fall in line. Think different? Yeah, right.
kre62 said:
Well said.
The problem is, most of the regulars here think the sun shines out of Steve Jobs' ass, so if he says there's no problem, there must be no problem. Forget logic, reason, etc. If Jobs speaks, the sheep fall in line. Think different? Yeah, right.
I still couldn't make the signal drop just by bridging the antenna (it was the first thing I tried), I could only do it when doing the "death grip" which has the same effect on other phones.
Well, actually a lot of forum members tried the scotch tape and it made no difference to them.
Ive found it to be a little spotty. But as Consumer Reports details, you can usually do it be just bridging the antennae.
In any case, scotch tape fixes this. Even though your heand is still present and "blocking the antennae" using scotch tape over the band completely solves this issue.
No it doesn't. a lot of people here have tried that and it made no difference to them.
No, it means that you are not reading what I post. Yes, a non conductive covering over the gap will fix that particular problem. But you are ignoring the fact that it will have other impacts on the device that you have not considered. It could cause worse signal problems. It could rub off. It could have toxicity issues. It could weaken the seal between the metal and glass. I don't know. But I'd guess that you don't either.
But, back to the other question that I asked that you ignored. Is the signal decrease on the iPhone 4 similar to the signal decrease on other phones?
Not true. I think Steve is arrogant and completely out of touch with the hardware Apple should offer in their computers and in the case of the iPhone 4 he is behaving just so.
No amount of posting here or complaining to Apple matters as long as iPhone4s are flying off the shelves. It's not sheep... Further discussion is pointless. If you don't like the options available to you, sue them (that won't get you anywhere but it doesn't stop those pesky lawyers).
Cheers,
Well its been demonstrated that putting something non conductive on this area solves the issue. Why do you think the bumper solves it? Your hand is still there, "blocking the antennae". Yes, theres plastic there now, just liker there is plastic between your hand and the antennae on all other phones. But the signal doesn't drop anymore, usually, with the bumper. So it must be conductivity, not simple hand-blocking.
I ignored it because its not relevant. Heres why:
1) This discussion is about the method of making, or reason why, the signal drops. I submit that the reason the signal drops is different than any other phone.
2) Other phones might use different ranges for their bar display. See this thread:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/966802/
Same issue ... signal performance is changed by holding either phone in certain positions.
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