One last time and that's it: putting a case on the 3GS also makes the signal NOT drop when "holding it wrong". Explain that?
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Other phones do NOT have the same issue
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One last time and that's it: putting a case on the 3GS also makes the signal NOT drop when "holding it wrong". Explain that?
You know how I absolutely know when someone's wrong? When they avoid debating facts.
You're right, I am overreacting. I want to desperately believe people are not these completely brain dead, worthless resourse-consumers. But your posts definitely kill all hope.
I came late on this thread...but I want to say that I can reproduce similar signal loss on my 2G iPhone.
In fact I just tried it before responding on a different thread. I have full bars when my 2G is sitting on the table. As soon as I give it the "Death Grip", bars drop down to two.
I do not own an iPhone 4 as of yet, but I believe Steve Jobs when he says this is a problem with all smart-phones but in varying degrees.
In fact I just tried it before responding on a different thread. I have full bars when my 2G is sitting on the table. As soon as I give it the "Death Grip", bars drop down to two.
I do not own an iPhone 4 as of yet, but I believe Steve Jobs when he says this is a problem with all smart-phones but in varying degrees.
Apple never said it was the same cause.
It's the same problem. Signal decreases when you hold mobile phones in certain ways.If the signal drop is the same as other phones (I don't know if it is. That's why I asked.), then that means Apple addressed a common signal attenuation problem in such a way that it increased signal strength in most cases. With the tradeoff that in one specific and easily replicable case (bridging the gap) it has the same problems as other phones. It's an engineering compromise.
Ive presented them to you many times. The 3GS will lose signal with case if you cover tightly with your hands. So what? What if it didn't?
You cant cause the 3GS to lose signal without touching it (i.e. placing any object on it) You can with the iPhone4. Why?
Because the iPhone4 issue is not one of covering it with your hands. It's one of shorting or bridging the antennae. It's a different issue. Thats why duct tape fixes it. Duct tape does not help the 3GS attenuation.
They are different issues.
Have you been able to find anyone else besides yourself that holds the phone with a paperclip?
The fact that the problem is triggered differently is irrelevant as it is the same problem. The difference is that on the outside, the attenuation mechanism is different. It's still attenuation introduced by a human body.
I'm with Kre62 on this one. Do you people not realize that human flesh (especially if oily or sweaty) is a pretty damn good conductor? almost as good as a paper clip? This is why the paper clip is relevant. Even though you don't hold you phone with a paper clip, you do hold it with something that is just as capable of connecting the 2 antennae, thus completely screwing with the tuning of the antenna.
The paper clip is a good experiment to prove it's not simply a problem of blocking the antenna with your hand and blocking the signal because it takes the hand completely out of the equation. Using another comparable conductor of much smaller size, hence to not block the antennae in any way, recreates the problem (and quite quickly and consistently might I add)
...now I'll say that I'm perfectly happy with my phone the way it is, antenna fault and all. But at least I know what the true cause of the problem is and I'm fine working around it.
The paper clip is a good experiment to prove it's not simply a problem of blocking the antenna with your hand and blocking the signal because it takes the hand completely out of the equation. Using another comparable conductor of much smaller size, hence to not block the antennae in any way, recreates the problem (and quite quickly and consistently might I add)
...now I'll say that I'm perfectly happy with my phone the way it is, antenna fault and all. But at least I know what the true cause of the problem is and I'm fine working around it.
you're using your hands to block the signal. Point of this thread is that the iPhone4 is a different issue.
* Samsung I9000 Galaxy S: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LROTHrTR92k
* HTC Evo Signal Attenuation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pj2YBYTbag
* Samsung Galaxy 1:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
* Samsung Galaxy 2:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPCQdYtPihg
* Droid Incredible: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaDE941PzQk
* Droid Incredible (With Network Extender in Room): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpEQH9_A5jw&feature=related
* Nexus One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEIA_lMwqJA
* Nexus One vs. iPhone (start at 1:29): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvMoV4_C4aA
* Nexus One: http://posterous.com/getfile/files.p...n_-_iPhone.m4v
* Nexus One (after Google's update to correct): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2g5J4qPp54
* Nexus One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deCkjeHYT-g
* Android G1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CDaxhjUs9M
* "Major signal degradation when Nexus One is picked up" (N1 Thread on On this Problem): http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/android/thread?tid=34ae2c179184c33e&hl=en
* HTC Evo Signal Attenuation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pj2YBYTbag
* Samsung Galaxy 1:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
* Samsung Galaxy 2:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPCQdYtPihg
* Droid Incredible: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaDE941PzQk
* Droid Incredible (With Network Extender in Room): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpEQH9_A5jw&feature=related
* Nexus One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEIA_lMwqJA
* Nexus One vs. iPhone (start at 1:29): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvMoV4_C4aA
* Nexus One: http://posterous.com/getfile/files.p...n_-_iPhone.m4v
* Nexus One (after Google's update to correct): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2g5J4qPp54
* Nexus One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deCkjeHYT-g
* Android G1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CDaxhjUs9M
* "Major signal degradation when Nexus One is picked up" (N1 Thread on On this Problem): http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/android/thread?tid=34ae2c179184c33e&hl=en
Hurray! Do you think he'll leave the forum or just this thread? We can live in hope. **fingers crossed the tosser leaves Mac Rumors altogether**
Did you even read what I said? The 3GS DOES NOT drop its signal if I do the death grip with a case on.
Duct tape doesn't fix the iPhone 4 "issue", lots of people in this forum have tried it and it made no difference.
Except that I can't make the signal on the iPhone 4 drop just by bridging the gap with my hand, only when doing the "death grip", same as it happens with my 3GS.
We both obviously want the same thing but have different views on how to get it. I respectfully disagree with you sir as you seem to fundamentally underestimate the power of returning a product, or overestimate the power of your "voice".
When it comes to consumer products the only thing that makes a difference is voting with your wallet. And returning the product does just that. It's more effective than any argument/petition/demonstration you may come up with.
If the antenna issue caused frequent and consistent call drops and disruption in data transfer to the majority of customers, then hundreds of thousands of early adopters would have flocked to return their phones. Apple would have been quick to realize their mistake and go back to the drawing boards and provide a hardware fix asap.
The truth is that yes holding the phone a certain way hampers the signal, but a signal drop per se, with no actual effect on calling and data transfer, is meaningless. That's probably why most iPhone 4 owners don't care and/or don't notice it except when actually staring at the bars.
The key fact in Today's presentation was that: iPhone 4 so far has had a lower rate of return than the 3GS. This, I believe, is the only thing Apple looked at in the end, and the only reason why they decided not to do anything about it --other than give away free bumpers.
Much to my disappointment, to be honest as I do agree they could fix this hardware flaw if they really wanted to and felt more compelled to do so based on the return figures.
Who knows, perhaps people have been holding off returning their phone until Apple officially disclosed their flight plan. Now that they've essentially said they won't do anything and that the 30 day return window is elapsing, we may see a huge increase in returns.
My advice to you: if you really want to make a difference: encourage people to return their phone even if they're not experiencing any antenna/signal related issue.
lol,
cut your nose off to spite your face mate.
goodluck finding a smartphone that is as good as the iphone 4 nothin is!
if your just after a phone get a normal mobile phone!, i wanted a internet device that i can phone people on if i want to and that is what the iphone 4 does for me, 80% internet,games and 20% phone if it drops the call i ring them back SORTED!
Kids are to spoilt these days!
Why do people act like the internet is running out of space soon or something, if the guy wants to argue this Apple "fix" is not good enough for him, let him, he paid his money for a flawed phone, he has the right. Sometimes I think posters in here are on the Apple payroll. It's nothing but, "RETURN IT ALREADY! QUIT WHINING! FORUM SPACE IS AN ENDANGERED SPECIES!"