Other phones do NOT have the same issue

[swoods93631]

There is not another phone in existence that can lose signal by placing a penny, paperclip, staple, or housekey anywhere on it.

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Umm maybe you do not know much about RF but me thinks metal will attenuate a signal more than your hand.... I can attenuate an RF signal by putting metal NEAR an antenna much less touching it... Just saying, educate yourself before you type

 

[kre62]

Same issue ... signal performance is changed by holding either phone in certain positions.

Ant

Nope. Cause you dont even have to be holding the iPhone4 to cause the issue. See?

 

[anjinha]

Well its been demonstrated that putting something non conductive on this area solves the issue.

Link?

Why do you think the bumper solves it? Your hand is still there, "blocking the antennae".

On my 3GS I can only make the signal drop, with the death grip, if it doesn't have a case on. Same as the iPhone 4.

So it must be conductivity, not simple hand-blocking.

Since you seem to ignore it I'll say it again: I absolutely can't make the signal drop just by bridging the gap, even in low signal places where I can make the signal drop with the death grip.

 

[roland.g]

Do you offer a free valet service for my passive aggressive BS or do I have to park it here myself?

Ok, how bout this?

Placebo effect.

Other people do NOT have the same issue.

But if you can admit that you ARE having issues, that is the first step to getting therapy.

/end passive aggressive BS. Now who has my keys?

 

[kre62]

Umm maybe you do not know much about RF but me thins metal will attenuate a signal more than your hand.... I can attenuate an RF signal by putting metal NEAR an antenna much less touching it... Just saying, educate yourself before you type

I know you think you got me. Heres why you don't:

Other phones antennae are covered by the phone casing. See? I just put a key on my 3GS with no effect. I tried pennies, paperclips..nothing. So, like I said, no other phone....

 

[ant69]

Nope. Cause you dont even have to be holding the iPhone4 to cause the issue. See?

maybe im just lucky then, as my iphone 4 signal doesnt jump around when sitting (untouched) on the desk.

Ant

 

[schwell]

Attenuating the antennae with your hand is NOT the same as the iphone 4 issue.

The signal on the 4 is not attenuated cause your hand is blocking it. It attenuates because the two antennas are shorted. This can be done with a penny, and no hands.

There is not another phone in existence that can lose signal by placing a penny, paperclip, staple, or housekey anywhere on it.

Thats why this press conference is so troubling. They say they have been working non stop on this, but a simple 25c coat with a clear polymer on the antennae would solve the problem.

Unbelievable.

And before anyone says "just return it", take that passive aggressive BS elsewhere. If you don't want to stand up for yourself and demand your product be fixed, don't get mad at those who have the balls to.

Next time you are making a call take the penny, paperclip and key out of the hand you using to hold the phone.

 

[LordOBoogie]

Link?

On my 3GS I can only make the signal drop, with the death grip, if it doesn't have a case on. Same as the iPhone 4.

Since you seem to ignore it I'll say it again: I absolutely can't make the signal drop just by bridging the gap, even in low signal places where I can make the signal drop with the death grip.

He doesn't want to hear anything but what he thinks is true. I just wish he'd go the F away. My favorite part is where this non-stop bitching troll called me a troll. Awesome!

 

[dpierre]

Attenuating the antennae with your hand is NOT the same as the iphone 4 issue.

The signal on the 4 is not attenuated cause your hand is blocking it. It attenuates because the two antennas are shorted. This can be done with a penny, and no hands.

There is not another phone in existence that can lose signal by placing a penny, paperclip, staple, or housekey anywhere on it.

Thats why this press conference is so troubling. They say they have been working non stop on this, but a simple 25c coat with a clear polymer on the antennae would solve the problem.

Unbelievable.

And before anyone says "just return it", take that passive aggressive BS elsewhere. If you don't want to stand up for yourself and demand your product be fixed, don't get mad at those who have the balls to.

+1
I'm gonna see if I can get a replacement this weekend. If it's still having this issue I'm gonna have to take it back. I can't hold my ip4 the same way i held my 3g or 3gs.

 

[roland.g]

Ok, I take that back, I do have one more question.

Who the (6th letter of the alphabet) uses a penny or a key or a paper clip to hold their (same letter)ing phone?

 

[kre62]

Link?



On my 3GS I can only make the signal drop, with the death grip, if it doesn't have a case on. Same as the iPhone 4.



Since you seem to ignore it I'll say it again: I absolutely can't make the signal drop just by bridging the gap, even in low signal places where I can make the signal drop with the death grip.

Heres your link:
http://blogs.consumerreports.org/el...verified-consumer-reports-labs-quick-fix.html

Bumper solves the issue.

Know what their previous recommendation was? Duct tape. Hence, this is a conductivity issue, not a hand blocking issue.

 

[swoods93631]

I know you think you got me. Heres why you don't:

Other phones antennae are covered by the phone casing. See? I just put a key on my 3GS with no effect. I tried pennies, paperclips..nothing. So, like I said, no other phone....

Prove it.... burden of proof is on you.... GO

 

[chrmjenkins]

Attenuating the antennae with your hand is NOT the same as the iphone 4 issue.

The signal on the 4 is not attenuated cause your hand is blocking it. It attenuates because the two antennas are shorted. This can be done with a penny, and no hands.

There is not another phone in existence that can lose signal by placing a penny, paperclip, staple, or housekey anywhere on it.

Thats why this press conference is so troubling. They say they have been working non stop on this, but a simple 25c coat with a clear polymer on the antennae would solve the problem.

Unbelievable.

And before anyone says "just return it", take that passive aggressive BS elsewhere. If you don't want to stand up for yourself and demand your product be fixed, don't get mad at those who have the balls to.

I'm sorry your hands are made of pennies. That must make it hard to get through airports and past homeless people.

 

[BaldiMac]

I ignored it because its not relevant. Heres why:

Not relevant? How is it not relevant that you did not considered possible repercussions related to the suggestion that you made in the first post.

1) This discussion is about the method of making, or reason why, the signal drops. I submit that the reason the signal drops is different than any other phone.

Again, why does that matter? The issue is the same. The cause is different. The external antenna has its tradeoffs. If the result is the same, what is your point?

2) Other phones might use different ranges for their bar display. See this thread:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/966802/

What do bars have to do with anything? I asked about the change in signal strength.

 

[kre62]

Next time you are making a call take the penny, paperclip and key out of the hand you using to hold the phone.

See this response:

God god. Not the point. At All.

Seriously? People on this board need this much hand holding?

The paperclip example illustrates why this issue is the iPhone4's alone. Its an issue of bridging the antennae, not blocking the signal with your hand.

To recap:

Other smart phones: Lose signal because antenna is physically blocked with meaty hand.

iPhone4: Loses signal due to hardware flaw where ANYTHING that bridges the black line, be it hand, paperclip, staple, etc, causes signal to drop regardless of even if you are holding it.

 

[kre62]

Ok, I take that back, I do have one more question.

Who the (6th letter of the alphabet) uses a penny or a key or a paper clip to hold their (same letter)ing phone?

See this response:


God god. Not the point. At All.

Seriously? People on this board need this much hand holding?

The paperclip example illustrates why this issue is the iPhone4's alone. Its an issue of bridging the antennae, not blocking the signal with your hand.

To recap:

Other smart phones: Lose signal because antenna is physically blocked with meaty hand.

iPhone4: Loses signal due to hardware flaw where ANYTHING that bridges the black line, be it hand, paperclip, staple, etc, causes signal to drop regardless of even if you are holding it.

 

[kre62]

Prove it.... burden of proof is on you.... GO

Dude Ive posted videos, links to consumer reports, etc til I was blue in the face in this thread. If you want to argue that putting paperclips on other phones causes the signal to drop, thats your deal. I have proven that the issue is bridging the antennae, not blocking with the hand. Re read all the posts to find out why.

 

[anjinha]

Heres your link:
http://blogs.consumerreports.org/el...verified-consumer-reports-labs-quick-fix.html

Bumper solves the issue.

Know what their previous recommendation was? Duct tape. Hence, this is a conductivity issue, not a hand blocking issue.

You sure do like to ignore what's convenient, don't you? Once again: on the 3GS without case, doing the death grip on a low signal area, the signal also drops. With a case on it doesn't drop. Same as the iPhone 4. Explanation?

iPhone4: Loses signal due to hardware flaw where ANYTHING that bridges the black line, be it hand, paperclip, staple, etc, causes signal to drop regardless of even if you are holding it.

I CAN'T MAKE THE SIGNAL DROP JUST BY BRIDGING THE GAP WITH MY FINGER!!! Again, I can with the death grip, same as with other phones!

 

[kre62]

Not relevant? How is it not relevant that you did not considered possible repercussions related to the suggestion that you made in the first post.



Again, why does that matter? The issue is the same. The cause is different. The external antenna has its tradeoffs. If the result is the same, what is your point?



What do bars have to do with anything? I asked about the change in signal strength.

The point IS the cause is different. Thats why Apple is wrong when they say it happens to other phones! It's a cheap way to blame shift, see? They are saying its the same when it isn't. Its a flaw they own, they invented, and belongs solely to them. So they should fix it.

 

[Maccleduff]

Heres the evidence:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvH-i7rKPJc

Paperclip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgouzUMlQpY


These items are not blocking the antennae. They aren't big enough to cover the antennae. They are just shorting the exterior band.

Thats why this is NOT the same issue.

I take it you make phonecalls with keys and paperclips all the time then?

 

[roland.g]

Dude Ive posted videos, links to consumer reports, etc til I was blue in the face in this thread...
Re read all the posts to find out why.

But that would defeat the point of being passive aggressive. C'mon, it's Friday afternoon, whaddaya expect.

 

[panzer06]

Dude Ive posted videos, links to consumer reports, etc til I was blue in the face in this thread. If you want to argue that putting paperclips on other phones causes the signal to drop, thats your deal. I have proven that the issue is bridging the antennae, not blocking with the hand. Re read all the posts to find out why.

Stop the madness. It doesn't matter. Apple doesn't care. Your choices laid before you. Accept one or not. I cannot believe you've snookered so many people into debating this when it is beyond irrelevant.

Move on, there's really nothing to see here.

Cheers,

 

[bamamatthews]

Most of you are so dumb. Hello! Most all smart phones have there antenna internally! Iphone 4 is on the outside so by putting your hand on it can effect the signal.!

 

[kre62]

You sure do like to ignore what's convenient, don't you? Once again: on the 3GS without case, doing the death grip on a low signal area, the signal also drops. With a case on it doesn't drop. Same as the iPhone 4. Explanation?

One last time and thats it.

The signal drops on the 3GS because you are physically blocking the antennae with your hand. The signal drops on the iPhone4 because the antennae is bridged when ANYTHING, including your hand, covers the black line.

You do not need to be holding the iPhone4 in your hand to reproduce signal loss. You can use a simple paperclip. This illustrates that the issue is not the same. It is not caused by your hand blocking the signal.

The fact that the bumper being put on the phone solves the issue proves im right, as your hand is still in the same "blocking" position, yet the signal stays excellent.

 

[LordOBoogie]

Stop the madness. It doesn't matter. Apple doesn't care. Your choices laid before you. Accept one or not. I cannot believe you've snookered so many people into debating this when it is beyond irrelevant.

Move on, there's really nothing to see here.

Cheers,

Really good advice. But I think his random outrage ABOUT A PHONE HE IS RETURNING is why people goad him. His reactions are hilarious.